Arizona May Abolish Concealed-Carry Permits

[frawin]

When carrying.. make sure each state you carry in is reciprocal to Kansas.. 

Good point Teresa, Roma Jean, isn't your state of residence Missouri??? If that is the case make sure each state you carry is recprocal with Missouri, whichever is the case you can print a list from the internet. I check it each time I travel.

[srkruzich]

I take it you have your property posted?

Doesn't need to be under the castle law.  The fact is if you are not the owner, and you don't have permission to be there, then you need to stay off the property.   Under the law, if you challange anyone on the property, and they refuse to leave when directed to do so, you can reasonably assume they are a threat.  Also if their in the process of committing a crime on your property, you can reasonably assume that their a danger.

You can't just bust a cap into joe who just wandered onto the property, but no one is going to do that to begin with unless their criminals like meth producers.  

[srkruzich]

When carrying.. make sure each state you carry in is reciprocal to Kansas.. 

That is a biggie.  You have to be really careful venturing into commie states.

[srkruzich]

http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/kansas-ccw-state-laws.php

here ya go. This is a kansas reciprocity map......

[Roma Jean Turner]

I have a book with the laws for each state and which ones we have reciprocity with. I will update it again this year.  I keep it in the car.  Not that I travel much, but when I went to Kentucky last year, I checked out each state before I went.  We have really good gun laws in Mo.  I haven't heard how the vote came out, it was the Judiciary of our legislature, not the entire legislature that was voting on it.   Yes Diane, I have chain link around my entire yard.  When I first bought the house, I thought the fence was ugly, but that was ten years ago.  Two weeks ago, two unmarked SUV's full of armed police came to our neighborhood and busted a house just across and east of mine.  We have suspected it of drugs for a year because of all the acitivity at all hours of the night.  Would you believe they found nothing.  They should have done that at 3:00 am instead of 7:0opm.  I did not turn these people it, but I can tell you that the people who did are very scared.  They have been evicted, but we will see what happens.  This last Saturday night my next door neighbor's car was stolen out of his driveway.  I got up two or three times that night because of my dogs barking but didn't see anything.  So now, I pad lock my front gates at night.  I am so used to the fence now, that I can't imagine not having one.

[Warph]

Gov. Jan Brewer to get concealed-gun bill

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/04/09/20100409gunbill0409.html

Within the next week, Arizona could become the first state with a large urban population to allow U.S. citizens 21 and older to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. Only Alaska and Vermont have similar allowances.

Senate Bill 1108, crafted by Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, passed in the House of Representatives on Thursday with a vote of 36-19 and no comments from either side.

"This is a big day," National Rifle Association lobbyist Matt Dogali said. "This is a major restoration of a principal right."

The bill will go to the governor Monday, and Gov. Jan Brewer will have until the following Saturday to sign it, veto it, or do nothing and allow it to become law. The law would go into effect 90 days after the legislative session ends, which could happen within the next few weeks.

Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman said she has not made a final decision on whether she will sign the bill. "But she has a long track record of strong, vigorous support of the Second Amendment," he said.

As of April 4, there were 154,279 active concealed-carry weapon permits in Arizona. The permits generated $1.8 million in revenue last fiscal year, according to Harold Sanders, Arizona Department of Public Safety spokesman. The money is used to help cover costs for enforcing laws related to the Highway Patrol, operating the concealed-carry weapon-licensing program and impounding vehicles. Sanders said it's impossible to know how the legislation would affect that budget or state employees.

Dogali said many gun owners will still likely get a permit. They would still be needed in order to carry a weapon into a restaurant or bar that serves alcohol as well as for an Arizonan to carry his or her weapon concealed in most states.

The training requirements to get the permit would change under the proposed law. John Thomas, lobbyist for the Arizona Chiefs of Police, said the new provisions don't require the training class to be a set number of hours or include any hands-on use of the weapon.

A background check would still be required to get a permit, as well as to buy a gun in most cases. Brewer this week signed another law that exempts guns made and kept in Arizona from federal regulation, including background checks.

The chiefs association was originally opposed to the concealed-weapons bill. It worked to get several provisions added, and the group now is neutral. Those provisions include requiring gun owners to accurately answer an officer when asked if they are carrying a weapon and allowing police to temporarily confiscate the weapon while they are in contact with someone.

If the bill becomes law, Thomas said both law enforcement and residents should expect changes.

"You're going to have officers approaching people and asking them if they are carrying a weapon," he said. "And if a policeman asks you if you are carrying a weapon and you do not answer accurately, it's a Class 1 misdemeanor punishable with six months in jail."

He said Arizonans also should start assuming that starting sometime late this summer, a lot more people with no training will likely be carrying concealed guns.

[Diane Amberg]

Hope nobody does what one of our "paramedics'' did yesterday. He was driving down the road with a weapon in his waistband. I guess he must have reached or something, but for some reason  the gun went off and he shot himself in the thigh. The bullet traveled down and lodged against his knee cap. I heard the call and didn't know whether to laugh or cry. The more guns out there ,the more the ambulances will be busy.

[srkruzich]

Hope nobody does what one of our "paramedics'' did yesterday. He was driving down the road with a weapon in his waistband. I guess he must have reached or something, but for some reason  the gun went off and he shot himself in the thigh. The bullet traveled down and lodged against his knee cap. I heard the call and didn't know whether to laugh or cry. The more guns out there ,the more the ambulances will be busy.

uhm  you know, Your paramedic was stupid.  He deserved to be shot in the ass.  Bet he won't do that again.
Why people won't put the safety on is beyond comprehension.  Well he'll put it on next time.  You know thinking about it, he had to have had that weapon cocked and ready to fire with a round in the chamber....

[Varmit]

The more guns out there ,the more the ambulances will be busy.

The same thing can be said about bathrooms, more people suffer from injuries in the bathroom than from guns each year.

[Diane Amberg]

Sorry Varmit, he didn't shoot himself with a bathtub. My point was how stupid he was! I'm guessing that the more people do carry guns, the more stupid gun accidents there will be. As far as I know, no innocent kid was ever killed by two yahoos out in the street having a bathtub fight. I'm not anti guns, never have been. I'm very much against stupid people doing stupid things with them .One of my Doctor friends works at Einstein in Philly in the ER. also known as the knife and gun club. He has more stories than a snake has scales. He too talks about the innocent people who get shot through walls, doors, and windows by people who have guns and are clueless about how they work. As far as I know, people don't get knife stabbed to death through their apartment walls or the back window of a car, or the front door of their house. Stupid gun incidents need their own category.