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[larryJ]

Jarhead, I got a great story about an MP which I'll tell you someday.

Warph, Mrs. Larryj is not into reading this forum or anything else on the computer.  While she can use a computer, it is not something she does much and only then to read her e-mails.  Besides, the go-go club was way before I ever met her.  As far as R.A.M.B.O., he has his own crush on the German Shepard next door.  Of course, being the size that he is and the humongous size of the German Shepard, his chances of hooking up (pardon the phrase) are about as good as mine were with the go-go dancers.

As my memory fades back in a little, I do remember that the Assistant Surgeon at Ft. Carson, a major, was my boss at the clinic and he designated me to be his driver.  He was single and he had me drive him into CSprings almost nightly.  He didn't want to get caught driving drunk, so he left it to me to drive drunk.  That is how I usually got back.  Whoops----memory is fading back out.

Larryj

[Diane Amberg]

First Varmit, lighten up I was just poking you in fun. You remember fun?   Jar, Al said if he has to he will get on here and explain the ways of the Army....if that's possible. When I asked him he told me so much so fast I hope I can get this right. Ft. Sill was indeed the Artillery school, but more than that. They also the signal corp people and wire guys who supported the Sgt. Missiles going to Korea. They also had burial detail for parts of several states.  He used to talk about the men practicing carrying coffins. They also had many other things going on. He was in a 3 storey barracks with two wings, part of which housed short timers.  They showed up day and night around the clock. They flew into the west coast and were put onto commercial airplanes still in their jungle gear. He retold me told the story of the one guy whose time was up, he was pulled off his assignment, his gear had been packed up for him and he spent his time on the commercial plane hiding in the bathroom because he still smelled like the jungle and hadn't been given any time to clean up. He said some were at Ft.Sill  for a few days, some a few weeks, but when the in country tour time was up, you were yanked out immediately. He also told me again about the Impact Zone in Lawton. They all went there when they could get leave. Girls and dancing and all. It's not there any more. The city fathers has it taken down after Viet Nam was over to clean up the image of the town.

[jarhead]

Thanks Diane. I didn't know that and that's why I asked. Tell Al to slow down on talking or you will send him to auctioneer school. This is totally unrelated to the thread but talking about Ft Sill reminds me on my great uncle Bob Smith ( grand mother's brother ) . when WW-I started uncle Bob and my great uncle Dewey Troutman ( grand fathers brother )ran off to join the Army.  Bob was 15 years old and he celebrated his 16 th birthday in a trench somewhere in France. I think Dewey was around the same age and they were taking their infantry training in Ft Sill. Bob got up one morning and Dewey's tent was gone and was common people died of disease and they hooked a team of mules to the tent and pulled it all away with the body inside. Well Dewey didn't die but had deserted which was punishable by death in front of a fireing squad. No one knew where Dewey went until WW-II broke out and he showed up in a boot camp in California. His past caught up with him but all they did was tell the "old man " to go back home to northern Ca. where he had been living like a modern day mountain man. Oh yea, Uncle Bob was Sarges grand dad so maybe that where ol Sarge got his patrotism from.

[Diane Amberg]

Thanks, great story. Al spent quite awhile telling more stories of Ft.Sill and Ft.Bragg, some of which I had never heard before. He had already toldd me the stories about crawling under all the wire with the live machine gun fire overhead and all that. There was one sassy dude who refused to keep his head down. He didn't make it out of Viet Nam alive.

[jarhead]

Don't know how the Army did it but in my ITR training when we had to crawl under the razor wire with a machine gun firing over your head is almost a joke. You actuallly  were only under the fire like 3 times and it's so high you would have to stand up to get hit. My middle brother had just went thru bootcamp a few months before i went and had told me all about it so did it scare me hell no-----but I did come home with scratches on my cheeks and chin where they dug a groove in the ground when i belly crawled under that fire !!!

[jarhead]

Oh yea, forgot to add---in the Air Force I heard that when Ol Sarge went thru the" crawling under the wire with a machine gun shooting over you", that they shot marshmellows with a sling shot !!!

[larryJ]

My basic at Ft. Campbell, KY, was handled by the 101st Airborne (Screaming Eagles) just before the Army decided to make it a basic training camp.  We were kind of a test group to see if the post could handle it.  We were transported to the firing field and shown the machine guns mounted on concrete bunkers and you could see that the barrels were encased in a steel rectangle so that they could only fire at one level.  We crawled about 50 yards after dark under the razor wire on our bellies and then on our backs for a few yards.  When I was on my back, I could see the tracers just above the wire, so I am pretty sure they were serious about not standing up. 

Then there was the gas chamber.  We went in wearing gas masks and when it was your turn, you had to remove the mask and recite your name, rank, serial number, home address and telephone number.  Then they hustled you out the door.  That was in the days before your serial number was the same as your social security number.  To this day, I can recite that serial number from memory.

Getting back to the title of the thread, all the comments have been about the military and little or nothing said about amnesty for illegal aliens.  Any thoughts there? 

Larryj

[Catwoman]

I don't think there should be a blanket amnesty for illegals...There should be a guest worker program insituted and every one of them automatically enrolled.  That way, we can tax their earnings and get back some of the millions that are sent south of the border.

[Diane Amberg]

I wonder how we could ever get them registered. I suspect they would think it was a trick to round them up and I'm afraid the people who employ them wouldn't cooperate either. I'd love to know the actual costs in trying to catch illegals and deport them. It must be huge. The one thing that could be done very quickly is change the law affording children of illegals who are born here automatic citizenship. I understand why they do it, but that's a loophole that could be closed very easily. It should be that at least one parent should be a citizen born or naturalized here. That rule went back to slave days and has never been changed.

[larryJ]

I think it is illegal to hire someone who is not here legally in most states, if not all.  Maybe increasing the fines for employers who do hire them would help and as Diane says, don't allow those children born to illegal immigrant parents automatic citizenship.  That way the whole family has to become citizens in order for the children to receive services or go to school.  However, such a move was tried here in California that would prohibit children who were not legal to go to school.  It was voted down because the people of this state would prefer that the children are in a safe and learning environment rather than out on the streets.  Increasing border patrols is expensive and probably not really very effective, anymore than it is now.  Having a national ID card such as a social security card could help, but would have to be made like our currency --- hard to counterfeit. 

I used to think the guy who mows my lawn and does some yard work was maybe not legal until I found out one day while surfing the net, that he was incorporated and he had to be legal to get corporation papers.  He owns a landscape/gardening company, not just another gardener.  Heck of a nice guy too.

Still, it is fun to watch the news when the INS makes a raid somewhere and all the Latinos are running out the door shouting, "Migre, migre!"

I think there is no real clear answer unless and until our economy sinks so low that it is not worthwhile to cross our border in search of a better life. LOL?

Larryj