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[srkruzich]

I want to further clarify what i was saying about violent crimes. It used to be that if you go out and murder someone in cold blood we hung your ass.  But since the liberal weenies said that was so inhumane and we have to lock them up for x number of years then release them, there had to be a method to control those people.  But the problem is that you can't control them.  You can't keep firearms out of their hands through laws or any other method BUT hanging their ass.  

So basically there is no line that can be drawn in which to operate unless you want to count the fact that dead is dead and a dead criminal can't come back to cause problems.  Eliminate the violent ones and you have no excuse to regulate

[srkruzich]

From Steve: 

That would depend on the crime.  Bouncing a check can be a felony.  Are they dangerous?  Not a chance.

Who decides where to draw the line?  At what level of grey do we operate, rather than solidly black or white?

Its simple, is it a violent crime comitted against another person to deprive them  of life, or liberty or property?  Then theres your line. 

Secondly,lets say i was convicted of auto theft.  After i complete my sentence, and stay clean for 5 years after the conviction, I can regain my right to own firearms by making application to the state for a pardon of the crime.   Once it has been granted, you are no longer a convicted felon!

IF you are a violent offender, it will be next to impossible to get your gun rights back. BUT you can still own a gun if your a convicted violent felon.  All you have to do is own a corporation and purchase the guns through the corporation and have them owned by that entity. 

Thank you Steve, that is an answer.

Now, where in the Constitution does it state what you have espoused?

What are you wanting to know. State what? 

[flintauqua]

From Steve:  

That would depend on the crime.  Bouncing a check can be a felony.  Are they dangerous?  Not a chance.

Who decides where to draw the line?  At what level of grey do we operate, rather than solidly black or white?

Its simple, is it a violent crime comitted against another person to deprive them  of life, or liberty or property?  Then theres your line.  

Secondly,lets say i was convicted of auto theft.  After i complete my sentence, and stay clean for 5 years after the conviction, I can regain my right to own firearms by making application to the state for a pardon of the crime.   Once it has been granted, you are no longer a convicted felon!

IF you are a violent offender, it will be next to impossible to get your gun rights back. BUT you can still own a gun if your a convicted violent felon.  All you have to do is own a corporation and purchase the guns through the corporation and have them owned by that entity.  

Thank you Steve, that is an answer.

Now, where in the Constitution does it state what you have espoused?

What are you wanting to know. State what?  

The Constitution does not include what you have stated above.  How does your particular position become the correct one?

C'mon Steve, do you really not get what I'm asking, or are you just being obtuse?

[srkruzich]

From Steve: 

That would depend on the crime.  Bouncing a check can be a felony.  Are they dangerous?  Not a chance.

Who decides where to draw the line?  At what level of grey do we operate, rather than solidly black or white?

Its simple, is it a violent crime comitted against another person to deprive them  of life, or liberty or property?  Then theres your line. 

Secondly,lets say i was convicted of auto theft.  After i complete my sentence, and stay clean for 5 years after the conviction, I can regain my right to own firearms by making application to the state for a pardon of the crime.   Once it has been granted, you are no longer a convicted felon!

IF you are a violent offender, it will be next to impossible to get your gun rights back. BUT you can still own a gun if your a convicted violent felon.  All you have to do is own a corporation and purchase the guns through the corporation and have them owned by that entity. 

Thank you Steve, that is an answer.

Now, where in the Constitution does it state what you have espoused?

What are you wanting to know. State what? 

The Constitution does not include what you have stated above.  How does your particular position become the correct one?

Doesn't include what? violent crimes  or regaining your gun rights.

[flintauqua]

Apparently you are that obtuse.  Your uber-right cabal on the Forum here must be losing your grip on Warph; he can actually acknowledge when I have a point!

From the Center

Flint

[srkruzich]

Apparently you are that obtuse.  Your uber-right cabal on the Forum here must be losing your grip on Warph; he can actually acknowledge when I have a point!

From the Center

Flint

Your not making your point. Your fishing.

[flintauqua]

Your position statement was this:

Its simple, is it a violent crime comitted against another person to deprive them  of life, or liberty or property?  Then theres your line. 

Secondly,lets say i was convicted of auto theft.  After i complete my sentence, and stay clean for 5 years after the conviction, I can regain my right to own firearms by making application to the state for a pardon of the crime.   Once it has been granted, you are no longer a convicted felon!

IF you are a violent offender, it will be next to impossible to get your gun rights back. BUT you can still own a gun if your a convicted violent felon.  All you have to do is own a corporation and purchase the guns through the corporation and have them owned by that entity. 

My question was:

Where in the Constitution does it state what you have espoused?

You have not answered my question, just tried your best to obfuscate.

[Sarah]

Your position statement was this:

Its simple, is it a violent crime comitted against another person to deprive them  of life, or liberty or property?  Then theres your line. 

Secondly,lets say i was convicted of auto theft.  After i complete my sentence, and stay clean for 5 years after the conviction, I can regain my right to own firearms by making application to the state for a pardon of the crime.   Once it has been granted, you are no longer a convicted felon!

IF you are a violent offender, it will be next to impossible to get your gun rights back. BUT you can still own a gun if your a convicted violent felon.  All you have to do is own a corporation and purchase the guns through the corporation and have them owned by that entity. 

My question was:

Where in the Constitution does it state what you have espoused?

You have not answered my question, just tried your best to obfuscate.

He also stated this:

I want to further clarify what i was saying about violent crimes. It used to be that if you go out and murder someone in cold blood we hung your ass.  But since the liberal weenies said that was so inhumane and we have to lock them up for x number of years then release them, there had to be a method to control those people.  But the problem is that you can't control them.  You can't keep firearms out of their hands through laws or any other method BUT hanging their ass. 

So basically there is no line that can be drawn in which to operate unless you want to count the fact that dead is dead and a dead criminal can't come back to cause problems.  Eliminate the violent ones and you have no excuse to regulate

Which is the same thing I said.  There is no line for anyone to draw.  We have rights.  We punish evil doers.  It's just that simple.

[srkruzich]

Your position statement was this:

Its simple, is it a violent crime comitted against another person to deprive them  of life, or liberty or property?  Then theres your line. 

Secondly,lets say i was convicted of auto theft.  After i complete my sentence, and stay clean for 5 years after the conviction, I can regain my right to own firearms by making application to the state for a pardon of the crime.   Once it has been granted, you are no longer a convicted felon!

IF you are a violent offender, it will be next to impossible to get your gun rights back. BUT you can still own a gun if your a convicted violent felon.  All you have to do is own a corporation and purchase the guns through the corporation and have them owned by that entity. 

My question was:

Where in the Constitution does it state what you have espoused?

You have not answered my question, just tried your best to obfuscate.

Thats not a area the constitution is needed.  The Constitution only pertains to the Federal government except where it expressly prohibits the states.   The 2nd amendment is the law of the land.  Now states have the rights protected by the constitution in the 10th amendment concerning its operations.  No one in the federal government can restrict gun ownership.  It is a states rights issue.  Secondly, the states cannot legally ban gun ownership, in that their prohibited from doing so by the 2nd amendment.  BUT that doesn't stop each individual state from enacting laws.  Each state can place some restrictions on onwnership but not a total outright ban on gun ownership as evidence by the recent ruling in dc reversing the outlawing of handguns.

The thing about states being able to place restrictions is that a person is able to move to another state that does not have such restrictions and that is why they can do this.  IF the states were to enact a statewide ban via their laws, then they would be in violation of the 2nd amendment because their combigned action would be a federal action.

[srkruzich]

Again the states response to restricting guns to violent offenders a direct result of the liberal weenies that managed to prevent the elimination of violent criminals.  Personally, just let em all have a gun, and shoot the ones that can't behave.