Are you a Constitutionalist?

[Varmit]

One more thing Anmar..You say that we shouldn't allow another country to meddle in our affairs.  You've mentioned Isreali lobbyists, yet you haven't said a word about Mexico, Sudan, Palestine, or any other forgein country that has lobbists in D.C.  So I am curious, do we kick them all out?  And take an isolationist stance with our forgein policies?  Or just whittle down the numbers on Isreals side to level the playing field?

[Anmar]

Yes, we kick out all foreign lobbyists.  The only people who should be participating in the American government are Americans.  Its sad to see that you of all people think otherwise.

[Varmit]

Last time I checked the only people in our gov't were Americans. 

[flintauqua]

Last time I checked the only people in our gov't were Americans. 

Well, I'll be.  Billy just acknowledged that Obama IS an American!  WOW!

[jarhead]

Easy there Flint. Varmit is allowed one mistake a day, although this one was a biggie.

[Anmar]

oh, now you've stooped to playing with words.  Just admit it, foreign governments intervening in American politics is wrong.  No matter what religous beliefs you have towards Israel, they shouldn't be lobbying the way they are.  Neither should any foreign country.

[flintauqua]

And for the record the Constitution and Declaration DO NOT use the same terminology.  One espouses that all men are created equal and should have certain rights, the other states that AMERICANs do in fact have those rights. 

So, Billy, were the Founding Fathers more correct when they were writing from a liberal viewpoint (the Declaration of Independence) or from a conservative viewpoint (the Constitution).

[srkruzich]

And for the record the Constitution and Declaration DO NOT use the same terminology.  One espouses that all men are created equal and should have certain rights, the other states that AMERICANs do in fact have those rights. 

So, Billy, were the Founding Fathers more correct when they were writing from a liberal viewpoint (the Declaration of Independence) or from a conservative viewpoint (the Constitution).

When they were writing the declaration, from the "liberal" viewpoint, the liberals were the conservatives.  The bill of rights were the Rules of law neither consisting of liberal or conservative viewpoints.  Just the rule of law.  It is the law that sets the standards of all other laws, and is a document that is set in stone, should have been carved on concrete.  It is not a living document, subject to change at a whim.  The constitution is black and white not shades of gray.

[Anmar]

When they were writing the declaration, from the "liberal" viewpoint, the liberals were the conservatives.  The bill of rights were the Rules of law neither consisting of liberal or conservative viewpoints.  Just the rule of law.  It is the law that sets the standards of all other laws, and is a document that is set in stone, should have been carved on concrete.  It is not a living document, subject to change at a whim.  The constitution is black and white not shades of gray.

Awesome, now tell me again where it says we should allow foreign lobbies?  Oh and I'm dying to see where it says that the US is a christian nation.

[srkruzich]

When they were writing the declaration, from the "liberal" viewpoint, the liberals were the conservatives.  The bill of rights were the Rules of law neither consisting of liberal or conservative viewpoints.  Just the rule of law.  It is the law that sets the standards of all other laws, and is a document that is set in stone, should have been carved on concrete.  It is not a living document, subject to change at a whim.  The constitution is black and white not shades of gray.

Awesome, now tell me again where it says we should allow foreign lobbies?  Oh and I'm dying to see where it says that the US is a christian nation.

The majority of the signers of the declaration who also participated in its creation, were devout christians who attended seminary.  To believe that their influence is not in the constitution is extreme naivety or just plain blindness.  Secondly Christianity was practiced in Government from its inception including prayer and sermons in congress, prayer in the whitehouse and schools and even bible verses, christian figures, christian principles on almost all Government buildings.  There aren't any muslim, mormon, hindu, buddist sayings and verses, but Christian.  Christianity is and was practiced openly and boldly in the streets as well as in the government offices.

IF this country was not founded on christian principles and IF our forefathers specifically crafted and created this constitution to prohibit the practice of said christianity then why did they partake of it? Why was it ok to pray and fast before making laws?  why was it acceptable to have sermons in congress before making laws.  WHY IS IT today that Congress still holds prayer meeting before making laws IF this country wasn't founded on christian principles.

Instead of reading all the atheistic appologetics, you might read a little of samuel adams works who documents how much christianity affected the development and creation of our nation.  IT wasn't by any other religious belief that this country was founded. 

This country was and still is a christian nation.  IF it weren't, We wouldn't be a nation any longer as God would have removed his hand of protection long ago.