Are you a Constitutionalist?

[flintauqua]

Are you sure you're a Constitionalist, Billy.

That's not the party line:

"We condemn the presidential assumption of authority to deploy American troops into combat without a declaration of war by Congress, pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution."

[Anmar]

Billy, i don't think you're being honest with yourself....

4. You might be a Constitutionalist if you think that taking away people's liberties in the name of security is not patriotic, nor does it make the country more secure.

You support torture

18. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that U.S. troops should never serve under foreign commanders or wear the uniform or insignia of the United Nations, and that they must never submit to illegal orders, such as turning their weapons against American citizens, or confiscating the guns of U.S. citizens.

Half our force in Afghanistan is there under the control of the United Nations as part of the International Security Assistance Force

32. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that U.S. troops are not the world's policemen, that they are not "nation-builders," and that their purpose is only to defend American lives and property, not to be the enforcement arm of international commercial interests or global elitists.

We are being the worlds policeman in Iraq.  We are nation building in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  And we invaded both countries for commercial interests.

35. You might be a Constitutionalist if you oppose sending billions of taxpayer dollars as foreign aid; the U.S. State Department meddling into the private affairs of foreign countries; and ubiquitous foreign entanglements that require vast sums of money, create animosity and hostility towards us, and expose us to foreign wars and conflicts in which we have no national interest.

Isreal is the largest recipient of foriegn aid, i believe you expresed support for this in a thread a few months back, correct me if i'm wrong.  Furthermore, we meddle, oh how we meddle in the private affairs of so many countries, iraq and afghanistan included.



I can't see how you found yourself agreeing with those principals.  I can tell you that whomever wrote this is a big fan of Ron Paul.  Paul is against the wars, he thinks we should pull out of both conflicts.  He thinks we shouldn't torture people.  We shouldn't give money or help to Isreal and we should stay out of the affairs of other countries.

[pamsback]

Paul is against the wars, he thinks we should pull out of both conflicts.  He thinks we shouldn't torture people.  We shouldn't give money or help to Isreal and we should stay out of the affairs of other countries.

All pretty good ideas.....only we CAN'T just quit unless we want to lose what standing we have left...never should of went to start with......Bush bit it off......now we HAVE to chew and SWALLOW. That or if we quit...quit PERIOD...just pack our shit, our soldiers, our money, our support, our equipment, our weapons, hand it off to em and let em sort it out themselves and PAY for it themselves, say you're on your own a**holes and don't listen to em whine about havin to do it themselves.

[Anmar]

That or if we quit...quit PERIOD...just pack our shit, our soldiers, our money, our support, our equipment, our weapons, hand it off to em and let em sort it out themselves and PAY for it themselves, say you're on your own a**holes and don't listen to em whine about havin to do it themselves.

thats pretty much the idea.

[pepelect]

wait isn't that what the former USSR did??  How did that turn out.  I am not for gut and run.  or cut and let them regroup.

[srkruzich]

I believe that the sum total of the questions determines the level of constitutionalist that you are.  Just because you don't agree with 2 or 3 of them doesn't make you a non constitutionalist.  I would say if your 50/50 your not a constitutionalist.  But 30 out of 36 would put you right up there.

Personally, we were attacked on 9/11, and war was declared on us.  We responded. thats well within the constitution.  Secondly giving israel allied support is not necessarily unconstitutional.  I believe we have a treaty with them and in it it spells out what we will do for them.  Treaties are constitutional.  Thats why we have to be careful of making stupid treaties like the koyoto treaty and the copenhagen one.

[Varmit]

Billy, i don't think you're being honest with yourself....

4. You might be a Constitutionalist if you think that taking away people's liberties in the name of security is not patriotic, nor does it make the country more secure.

You support torture

Okay genuis, do you really think that the founders meant for the constitution to apply to the entire world?  Of course they didn't, if they did then they would not have placed a monetary fee on people who wanted to become citizens.  We are not torturing American citizens, therefore there is no violation of the constitution.

Futhermore, the nation building you speak of is a part of the hearts and minds philosophy.  We did not invade for commercial reasons you idiot.  We went there because 3000 americans lost their lives in a cowardly attack against us, or have you forgotten that.

Just for the record, how is going after our enemies NOT defending american lives and property?

As for Isreal, you better believe I support them.  However if we were to cut off foregin aid to them then we would have (and should) cut off all aid to everybody else. 

[Varmit]

...never should of went to start with......Bush bit it off......now we HAVE to chew and SWALLOW.

So we just let the attacks on 9/11, the USS Cole, the continued attempts of attack, go unanswered? 

[Anmar]

Oooo name calling from the forum moderator. 

Who's the idiot here?  Do you really believe that Iraq and the Taliban attacked us?

I like how you claimed to score 35, then when you get called out on them, you suddenly change your views.  You claimed to be against nation building, now you're for it.  You claimed to reject foreign aid, now you are for it. 

As for torture and the constitution.  It says that men are given certain inalienable rights by God.  MEN, not AMERICAN CITIZENS.  I think you need to go back and read the constitution.  It doesn't say american citizen, it says no person, no man, etc etc. 

Giving Israel the kind of support we do was warned about by George Washington in his farewell speech.  No true patriot would be comfortable with the kind of relationship we have with Isreal.  They steal our tech and sell it to the chinese.  Warph posted a few weeks ago about how it was a normal practice and we all shouldn't really be alarmed.  How silly is that?  How crappy is it that the biggest and strongest lobby in washington is that of a foriegn country?  What the hell are we doing allowing a foreign country to meddle in our own political affairs?  I'm glad that you are OK with that because that only goes to show you either don't know whats going on, or that you don't really care.

I also find it amusing that on one post, you say you're laughing at me, then in another you start calling me names in an obviously malicous tone.  Are you confused about your feelings?  You sure are confused about many of your positions it seems.

[Teresa]

Just standin' by..........................