Are you a Constitutionalist?

Started by redcliffsw, October 29, 2009, 11:36:10 AM

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Anmar

Quote from: Sarah on November 01, 2009, 08:56:01 PM
As far as I know Anmar, I didn't answer anything contrary to any of those points............so, if you point them out...........then maybe we can discuss it. 

I'm referrring to billy's claim that he answered yes to all but 1 question.  I don't recall your scores Steve and Sarah.
"The chief source of problems is solutions"

flintauqua

I just received my long anticipated letter from ABC.  I had applied to replace John Stossel when he announced he was going to Fox.

They turned me down saying I was even more of a center-right contrarian than Stossel was.  

From the center

Flint

srkruzich

I have never said that the states are justified in their regulation of gun rights. I do know that each state is a sovereign state that can make laws concerning its citizens and prevent other states from imposing their laws on the states people.  Now each state has its constitution and they all have stepped into a big hairy furball by trying to regulate guns.  It is technically a violation of constitutional rights.  They are allowed to remove the rights to own a gun IF you commit a felony or are mentally incapacitated. BUT it is again a violation of the constitution when that felon is released after having paid their debt in full and not restoring these rights.  So if this felon cannot be entrusted to have these rights, you either incarcerate them until they can, or kill them. one or the other.
either way problem solved.
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

srkruzich

Quote from: Anmar on November 01, 2009, 09:00:46 PM
Quote from: Sarah on November 01, 2009, 08:56:01 PM
As far as I know Anmar, I didn't answer anything contrary to any of those points............so, if you point them out...........then maybe we can discuss it. 

I'm referrring to billy's claim that he answered yes to all but 1 question.  I don't recall your scores Steve and Sarah.
Mine was 36 but i waver by one.  I maybe a constitutionalist but i am not so stupid to think that we can't leave things like 9/11 unanswered.   
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

flintauqua

Steve, neither the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights contain wording to support the position you just repeated.  Where are you getting this from?

srkruzich

Quote from: flintauqua on November 01, 2009, 09:08:17 PM
Steve, neither the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights contain wording to support the position you just repeated.  Where are you getting this from?
Specifically what are you talking about?  The bill of rights does support this. There is no infringement on gun ownership.
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

flintauqua

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Quote from: srkruzich on November 01, 2009, 09:11:02 PM
Quote from: flintauqua on November 01, 2009, 09:08:17 PM
Steve, neither the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights contain wording to support the position you just repeated.  Where are you getting this from?
Specifically what are you talking about?  

All of it!

About the only way you can get your assertion to confrom with the Constitution and Bill of Rights is too apply about five different methods of judicial interpretation to four or five different clauses, simoultaniously, and then just pull some additional language out of thin air, which would be activism.

srkruzich

Quote from: flintauqua on November 01, 2009, 09:12:13 PM
Quote from: srkruzich on November 01, 2009, 09:11:02 PM
Quote from: flintauqua on November 01, 2009, 09:08:17 PM
Steve, neither the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights contain wording to support the position you just repeated.  Where are you getting this from?
Specifically what are you talking about? 

All of it!

Your disagreeing that the keeping and bearing arms is not in the constitution?
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

flintauqua

Quote from: srkruzich on November 01, 2009, 09:05:21 PM
I have never said that the states are justified in their regulation of gun rights. I do know that each state is a sovereign state that can make laws concerning its citizens and prevent other states from imposing their laws on the states people.  Now each state has its constitution and they all have stepped into a big hairy furball by trying to regulate guns.  It is technically a violation of constitutional rights.  They are allowed to remove the rights to own a gun IF you commit a felony or are mentally incapacitated. BUT it is again a violation of the constitution when that felon is released after having paid their debt in full and not restoring these rights.  So if this felon cannot be entrusted to have these rights, you either incarcerate them until they can, or kill them. one or the other. either way problem solved.

Since you were typing while I was adding to my post, here are the statements I am referring to:

prevent other states from imposing their laws on the states people

They are allowed to remove the rights to own a gun IF you commit a felony or are mentally incapacitated.

BUT it is again a violation of the constitution when that felon is released after having paid their debt in full and not restoring these rights.

I'm not conceeding to your viewpoint on the sovereignty issue, but that is an entirely different argument in itself.




srkruzich

Quote from: flintauqua on November 01, 2009, 09:21:54 PM


prevent other states from imposing their laws on the states people
Thats a states rights issue. Each state makes its own laws. No other state is subject to imposing other states laws on its citizens.

QuoteThey are allowed to remove the rights to own a gun IF you commit a felony or are mentally incapacitated.
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All felons have their citizenship stripped.  They are no longer considered a citizen of the united states therefore they cannot have constitutional rights. They are imprisoned.  Once released, and once they have paid in full the sentence, they are repatriotized into the country. But They have not been granted all rights back when repatriotized these days which is a violation.  Either they are Citizens or their not.

so it is again a violation of the constitution when that felon is released after having paid their debt in full and not restoring these rights.
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

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