Are you a Constitutionalist?

[srkruzich]

The document you are refering to when you talk about inalienable rights is the Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,.."

He's got ya there anmar.  I personally consider the declaration and bill of rights all one document but when I did so you piped up and made damn sure to point out that their separate documents.

LOL

[srkruzich]

Ok, so let me be clear about something, you don't mind another country having control of our government because its part of your religous beliefs?

How does Israel control our government by receiving aid?   Uhmm does that mean Chevrolet, chrysler jp morgan, and all those folks that got a stimulus check control our government???

[Anmar]

Ok, so let me be clear about something, you don't mind another country having control of our government because its part of your religous beliefs?

How does Israel control our government by receiving aid?   Uhmm does that mean Chevrolet, chrysler jp morgan, and all those folks that got a stimulus check control our government???

read it again, you missed the part about lobbying

[flintauqua]

Anmar,  haven't you figured it out yet.

When the uber-right is right, they're right.

When the uber-right is wrong, they're still right.

When anyone else is wrong, they're wrong.

When anyone else is right, they're still wrong.

[Anmar]

let me also add, he didnt "get me"  the constitution uses the same terminology, he just chose to ignore it.  I'm finding that Billy is one of those people who just picks and chooses from different (sometimes conflicting) ideas just because its convenient for him.  He claims that he's a strict follower of the constitution, but when you try to pin him down on exactly what that is, suddenly he's pulling out religous references to try and excuse his beliefs that are unconstituitional

Flint, I've figured it out.  Frankly, i'm not trying to convince them of anything.  What i want is for the people reading this who don't post to know where these people are really coming from.  Where their true interests are.

[srkruzich]

Flint, I've figured it out.  Frankly, i'm not trying to convince them of anything.  What i want is for the people reading this who don't post to know where these people are really coming from.  Where their true interests are.

Now what would that be?  Why is it that the ideals are so bad? 

[Anmar]

Flint, I've figured it out.  Frankly, i'm not trying to convince them of anything.  What i want is for the people reading this who don't post to know where these people are really coming from.  Where their true interests are.

Now what would that be?  Why is it that the ideals are so bad? 

I think when someone comes to these forums and claims that its his religous beliefs to allow another country to meddle in our affairs and influence our government/political system, that pretty much speaks for itself.  In fact, that sounds strangely similar to that Imam that was shot in detroit last week.

[Varmit]

Lobbying doesn't mean controling, get your terminology straight.  Secondly, religous beliefs strongly influenced our founders and the writing of the Constitution.  I personaly believe that our gov't should be influenced by religious (specifically Christian) beliefs.

Also, I never claimed that Isreal had control of our gov't.  If it did do you think that our Isreali controlled gov't would have put pressure on Isreal to stop hostilities with palestine?  Or to soften their stance against iran? ...Didn't think so.

And for the record the Constitution and Declaration DO NOT use the same terminology.  One espouses that all men are created equal and should have certain rights, the other states that AMERICANs do in fact have those rights. 

[redcliffsw]

Billy, you're staying right in there teaching 'em good stuff.

[Sarah]

Lobbying doesn't mean controling, get your terminology straight.  Secondly, religous beliefs strongly influenced our founders and the writing of the Constitution.  I personaly believe that our gov't should be influenced by religious (specifically Christian) beliefs.

Also, I never claimed that Isreal had control of our gov't.  If it did do you think that our Isreali controlled gov't would have put pressure on Isreal to stop hostilities with palestine?  Or to soften their stance against iran? ...Didn't think so.

And for the record the Constitution and Declaration DO NOT use the same terminology.  One espouses that all men are created equal and should have certain rights, the other states that AMERICANs do in fact have those rights. 

Good post!!!