Experimenting with Education

[srkruzich]

If you are brilliant and can teach, have unlimited resources, then all means home school till your heart content.  But don't expect me to pay for you baseball uniform or allow your kid to play in the band just because.

You know those that homeschool have been saying this for many years. Don't expect them to pay for your kids baseball football and band practices either.

If you want the benefits of public school then go to public school.  I see a lot of people home school until the kids are old enough to go to junior high or even high school.   Public school isn't good enough for their kids from prek-6th grade.

That is because from pre-k to 2nd or 3rd grade your child learns everything that will mold them for the rest of their lives.  After about 8 years old, if they haven't learned right from wrong, your life as a parent is going to be hell.  The reason why public school was founded, and the reason why any public school is founded is to institute institutionalized thinking. Control what is being taught, and you control the population.  Public schools were started shortly after the civil war because the goal was to destroy the individualism that created individuals like Jefferson Davis, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson.

But as soon as the home school kid complains that they don't get to play ball or join the wrestling team, how many cheerleaders do you need if you and your brother are the only players?.....

And rightfully  so.  They are forced to pay for those programs, so they should be able to utilize those programs without their children being subjected to Government indoctrination.

What that does is not fund the school system for the first 8 years of the students education.  Then expect the public school  to have the best programs money can buy available at the convenience of the parent.

Sorry but your wrong there.  The schools are funded by homeschoolers.

How will your always been around relatives that love me child react the first time they are confronted by a strong willed uneducated cheerleader set on defacing you at all costs?

Well first of all they don't get expelled for knocking the **** out of them when they do!  

Impress me with your home-schooled alumni. Got any Bill Gates?  Tell me Sam Walton was homeschooled in Oklahoma. Warren Buffet stay home with mom?  Name someone in the current century or even decade that has gone above and beyond to greatness.  Cure cancer with a homeschooling science budget.   Bring about a new economic model for the 22nd century and quit telling me how great the 18th was.  

Sandra day Occonner,
Frank Vandiver (President - Texas A&M)
Fred Terman (President - Stanford)
William Samuel Johnson (President Columbia)
John Witherspoon (President of Princeton)

Dr. Condolezza Rice
Blaise Pascal
French mathematician and philosopher

Charles Sanders Peirce
American logician, mathematician, philosopher

Bernhard Riemann
German mathematician

Erwin Schrodinger
Austrian physicist

Erik Demaine
associate professor of Computer Science at MIT

Ray Kroc
founder of McDonald's fast food restaurant chain

Dave Thomas
founder of the Wendy's restaurant chain
Samuel C. C. Ting
Chinese American physicist

its estimated that 2 -4% of our homeschooled kids will be our future leaders.  Can't say that about government schools.

[Sarah]

School does not necessarily build life long friends.  I don't know but one person that I knew in school.  And most of my memories from school are being picked on and bullied.  Oh yeah, there's fond memories and from private schools no less!  And your reasons why people homeschool, like the playground comment and such, I have never heard.  A large chunk of homeschooling families homeschool for religious reasons and feel it is there God given responsibility to teach their children.  The second is to control what they learn and when instead of leaving it up to the government to teach them what they see fit and when they see fit to teach it.  And then a lot of families have children with special needs and they excel with the one on one teaching that they receive from their parents when they cannot excel in a group.  Homeschooled kids are not kept from society and are proven to get along as well, if not better than their school counterparts, in society.  

For some, public school is a better option and their kids turn out beautifully, but for others homeschooling is what they choose and it is their right in this country and not for anyone else to decide whether they should or shouldn't.  Each family needs to decide that on their own and not be told by anyone else how they should raise their kids.  

[srkruzich]

that has gone above and beyond to greatness.  Cure cancer with a homeschooling science budget.   Bring about a new economic model for the 22nd century and quit telling me how great the 18th was.  

Thats the point, there aren't that many right now because for a long period of time homeschooling was illegal and those that did homeschool did so at great peril.  Now its legal in all states, we can return to greatness as a nation when these current homeschoolers take their place in society as leaders.

The government school system had about 15 - 20 years to push through their great prodigies and failed at it.  Gates didn't do squat as far as intellegence, he just happened to see a opportunity and jumped on it by taking something someone else created and selling it.  So he's a good salesman. Where he is smart as hell is that he recognized he was no genius and surrounded himself with people that could do specific things and then market that.  Thats good business.

Warren buffet is old school. Not in the last decade or two like  your asking.  Buffet was in the right place at the right time when he made his money.  He's smart not by public education but life education.

Samuel Clemmons said it best.  I don't let schooling interfere with my education!

[srkruzich]

Impress me with your home-schooled alumni.

Why?  

What have you accomplished?  What awesome feat have you done, that puts you in a class that i should have to spend my time to impress you!  Do you have something i need or want?  Is your name on millions of Ohm meters or Oscopes?  Is PEP electric a national or world wide chain?  IF so then i might attempt to impress you.  

[srkruzich]

i don't disagree that some kids do better in government schools.  I just know that my kids when they had to go to government school, were so far ahead of anyone in that school that they were bored stiff and couldn't go into college courses because they were only in the 8th grade. 

That in itself tells me that the government schools are not equipped to teach to a childs potential.

[pepelect]

Why?  

What have you accomplished?  What awesome feat have you done, that puts you in a class that i should have to spend my time to impress you!  Do you have something i need or want?  Is your name on millions of Ohm meters or Oscopes?  Is PEP electric a national or world wide chain?  IF so then i might attempt to impress you.  

I have something that you will never be impressed by or grasp.   The ability to change a broken system for the sole sake of  improvement of the system not of myself.  I don't gain anything from your homeschooled economic policy.  The public system does locally provide jobs to skilled employees.    This local system works very well with acedemic  tests to certify that fact.  It is getting better all the time.  Just because one teacher didn't challlenge your kids doesn't mean the system is flawed it means you weren't sending your kids here.   You are missing the point of the thread.  The local pta doesn't contribute to the slush fund of the education system.  You are wrong one one account.  You have impressed me.  You have impressed the fact that you know nothing of your local public school that you are so quick to condemn.

[srkruzich]

Why?  

What have you accomplished?  What awesome feat have you done, that puts you in a class that i should have to spend my time to impress you!  Do you have something i need or want?  Is your name on millions of Ohm meters or Oscopes?  Is PEP electric a national or world wide chain?  IF so then i might attempt to impress you.  

I have something that you will never be impressed by or grasp.   The ability to change a broken system for the sole sake of  improvement of the system not of myself.

Ok no problem grasping this.  What results is your change going to get?  What is your change going to produce?  At what cost. Can your change do it on the same cost level that our homeschoolers do?
The point of the homeschoolers is that we produce leaders of everything, for half the cost of your Government school system.  Why can't the Government do it for the same cost?
Private schools are half the cost of Government Schools.  Why can't the Government do it on that budget?   And last but not least, why can't the Government produce the level of education that Private and Homeschoolers produce at half the cost.

I don't gain anything from your homeschooled economic policy.  The public system does locally provide jobs to skilled employees.   This local system works very well with acedemic  tests to certify that fact.  It is getting better all the time.

So ok jobs are produced.  IF this was your business, and your employees produced half the production of another business, you would either get the employees to produce more, or go out of business because your costs are higher.
Why would you settle for anything less than a Government schooled kid having the same education level than a homeschooled or private schooled child that has been educted at half the cost.  Right now its a major issue that costs are closing down elk schools.  Why is it that you can't do it for less? 

Just because one teacher didn't challlenge your kids doesn't mean the system is flawed it means you weren't sending your kids here.   You are missing the point of the thread.  The local pta doesn't contribute to the slush fund of the education system.  You are wrong one one account.  You have impressed me.  You have impressed the fact that you know nothing of your local public school that you are so quick to condemn.

You know i don't doubt there are smart kids here.  I dont' doubt there are excellent teachers here.  I also know that there is a ton of waste in the system.  I do know that education is not at the level it should be, and i know that the teachers aren't paid well. 

As far as my understanding of the local schools, thats not what started us peeing in each others bowl of cheerios.  It was your blanket statement about homeschooling producing nothing of interest in the 20'th century.  What has elk produced in the last 2 decades?   I mean if you want to point out accomplishments, i posted several current day homeschoolers that are famous and contributed to society greatly. 

Don't get me wrong, i am not saying the kids here aren't good kids or important or anything like that, but your talking about bang for the buck, aren't ya.




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[pamsback]

  just can't help myself......................

 

What has elk produced in the last 2 decades?

a whole lot of good people, some who went on to college, some who went to work, some who traveled, some who married and had kids.
30 years ago it produced me, most of the people I know who went there are INDIVIDUALS despite the government brain-washing you insist we most likely underwent few of us may be rich OR famous but we all make contributions to the lives around us so I'd say that makes us successful by any stretch of the imagination. Anybody who does what needs doin and takes care of business makes a valuable contribution to society. Worth canNOT be measured by wealth and stature alone or at all.This whole either/or argument is pointless! Neither way is the "right" way. Combination and balance..........that's what REALLY works.

[Sarah]

  just can't help myself......................

 

What has elk produced in the last 2 decades?

a whole lot of good people, some who went on to college, some who went to work, some who traveled, some who married and had kids.
30 years ago it produced me, most of the people I know who went there are INDIVIDUALS despite the government brain-washing you insist we most likely underwent few of us may be rich OR famous but we all make contributions to the lives around us so I'd say that makes us successful by any stretch of the imagination. Anybody who does what needs doin and takes care of business makes a valuable contribution to society. Worth canNOT be measured by wealth and stature alone or at all.This whole either/or argument is pointless! Neither way is the "right" way. Combination and balance..........that's what REALLY works.

And that's like I said, neither way is right for all kids.  Each family has to decide for themselves what's best for their children and their family be it public school, private school or homeschool.  What's right for one child isn't necessarily right for another.

[srkruzich]

  just can't help myself......................

 

What has elk produced in the last 2 decades?

a whole lot of good people, some who went on to college, some who went to work, some who traveled, some who married and had kids.
30 years ago it produced me, most of the people I know who went there are INDIVIDUALS despite the government brain-washing you insist we most likely underwent few of us may be rich OR famous but we all make contributions to the lives around us so I'd say that makes us successful by any stretch of the imagination. Anybody who does what needs doin and takes care of business makes a valuable contribution to society. Worth canNOT be measured by wealth and stature alone or at all.This whole either/or argument is pointless! Neither way is the "right" way. Combination and balance..........that's what REALLY works.

But none of these are  a Bill Gates.  Thats the criteria that pep set. not me.