Obama and the Spineless Republicans

[pamsback]

kinda renders this argument moot.

[Varmit]

They may have lost momentum but don't think for a second that they have given up the fight.  Nancy Pelosi has said that they don't need Republican support and Charles Schumer is pushing for the use of "budget reconciliation" to pass a public option healthcare bill.  Meaning, that all they would need is 51 votes instead of 60. 

[pamsback]

  Didn't say "they" had given up the fight I said they had lost their window of opportunity to sneak it past everybody.

  Even Pelosi has that deer in the headlights "shit the people are PISSED" "maybe I better not do this if I want to keep my job" look on her face most of the times she's been on tv lately.

[srkruzich]

  Didn't say "they" had given up the fight I said they had lost their window of opportunity to sneak it past everybody.

  Even Pelosi has that deer in the headlights "shit the people are PISSED" "maybe I better not do this if I want to keep my job" look on her face most of the times she's been on tv lately.

GOOD, they SHOULD fear us!

[pamsback]

  Didn't say "they" had given up the fight I said they had lost their window of opportunity to sneak it past everybody.

  Even Pelosi has that deer in the headlights "shit the people are PISSED" "maybe I better not do this if I want to keep my job" look on her face most of the times she's been on tv lately.

GOOD, they SHOULD fear us!

DUH

[Anmar]

Billy,

you continue to list things that aren't in the bill.  You copy and pasted from someone else's old post, but you didnt provide the link to the actual text.  Many of those things have been grossly distorted by the original author and some of them are outright lies.  Take your claim about illegal aliens, the proposed bill does not provide free health care to illegal aliens, not matter which way you look at it.  You are being dishonest here, maybe unintentionally, but the fact remains.

[Teresa]

Anmar.. bless your heart............. I have to give you credit.....
you're trying to get that dead horse up so you can ride... but I don't think its gonna work.


Lie #1: 'You Keep Your Doctor, You Keep Your Insurer'

This is a complete fabrication.

Under plans Obama has backed in the House and the Senate, almost any business can opt their employees into the "public option" — the government health plan.

That means you could lose your insurer. And if your doctor is worth his salt, you'll lose him or her as well.
Why? Because great doctors probably will not want to get the very low rates the government will pay private doctors who are part of the new government system.
So, without your consent, you very easily could lose your insurer and your doctor.

Lie #2: The Elderly Will Not Face Rationing or Medicare Cuts

More baloney.

In fact, just last week, The New York Times, a very liberal and very pro-Obama newspaper, admitted that fears of rationing for elderly patients are "not irrational."
The truth is that Obamacare would almost 50 million new patients to government care.
Who would pay for it. You would!
Seniors on Medicare will be the first hit.

Here's what the Times reported: "Bills now in Congress would squeeze savings out of Medicare, a lifeline for the elderly, on the assumption that doctors and hospitals can be more efficient."

This means that faceless bureaucrats will decide the type and quality of your care.
It is a very dangerous thing to give our life and well-being over to government bureaucrats!

Imagine if you or a loved one is older than 80 years and critically needs heart surgery.
Instead of getting the heart procedure, you or that loved one could be informed that you are simply too old.
We at the League of American Voters have been warning of this danger and have a powerful TV commercial exposing the risks to seniors.


Lie #3: There Will Be No "Death Panels."

More lies.
Sure, they don't call them "death panels" in the legislation, but that's what their job will be.

These committee members will set guidelines with which faceless bureaucrats will make decisions about you and your healthcare.
They will decide who lives and who dies. They decide who gets critical procedures and expensive medicines.

Again, according to the New York Times, the Democratic plans call for saving money by creating new oversight committees.
The Times says that Medicare and insurers would be expected to follow "advice from a new federal panel of medical experts on 'what treatments work best.'"
Again, this very liberal paper concluded: "The zeal for cutting health costs, combined with proposals to compare the effectiveness of various treatments and to counsel seniors on end-of-life care, may explain why some people think the legislation is about rationing, which could affect access to the most expensive services in the final months of life."


Lie #4: The Obama Plan Contains Costs

Absolute nonsense.

The Obama plan will cost more than $1 trillion in new federal outlays, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.
This past weekend, Sen. Joe Lieberman claimed that most of this cost comes from adding 50 million people, currently uninsured, to the government health system.
But as Lieberman pointed out, we just don't have the money to do this right now.
You can add only so many people to the government system by cutting medical care to seniors on Medicare and raising taxes.
Democrats clearly plan to do both.


Lie #5: Illegals Are Not Covered by Obamacare

President Obama has stated time and again that illegal aliens are not covered under his new plan.
Still, Democrats say they want to add almost 50 million uninsured. Yet almost one-quarter of these uninsured are illegal aliens.
None of the Democratic plans excludes illegal aliens.
In fact, when Republicans proposed an amendment to the House plan to block illegals from getting free government healthcare, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her minions soundly defeated the motion.

[Teresa]

When Obama tells you something listen to his exact words very carefully.  He and his cohorts are so slick they tell you something you think he said, but he didn't. 

For example.  He said "No one is talking about health care for illegal aliens".  That's true.  No one is talking about it.  But, in all the bills being worked on, they are included in vague and convoluted wording and provisions.  You thought you heard him say "no health care for illegals".  Well, you are wrong.  It is there, it's just that "no one is talking about it", and that is what he told you.

Anytime Obama says "I want to make that perfectly clear" it's he's just lied or is going to lie.
ID is only required for Town Halls, right? Yes, you need to have proper ID to attend a Town Hall meeting to talk with your Congressman.    But, the illegal won't need that  worrisome detail to sign up for free medical coverage. No ID required.

(CNSNews.com) – The health care reform bills Congress is considering would not require people who sign up for government health care programs to verify their eligibility. That opens the door for millions of illegal aliens and other non-citizens to receive medical services paid for by taxpayers, a panel of experts from the conservative Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and The Heritage Foundation said Wednesday.
"This takes an unprecedented step in opening up the U.S. welfare system to illegal immigrants," Robert Rector, senior fellow on domestic policy at The Heritage Foundation, told an audience at the National Press Club in Washington.

"We have had a system of identity checks that largely prevents adult illegal immigrants from getting onto these means-tested welfare programs," Rector added.

Title II, Subtitle C, Section 246 of the House health care bill (H.R. 3200) stipulates "no federal payment for undocumented aliens." The Senate bill states that beneficiaries of federal health care programs must be a citizen or national or an alien lawfully admitted to the United States.

But neither bill has a provision for verifying citizenship status, according to these experts.

Rector said people signing up for government-run health care programs would not have to substantiate that they are in this country legally. "The health care reform legislation turns that on its back and tramples it into the dust," Rector said. "It basically says, 'We will not verify, we will not check, we have a complete open door for every illegal immigrant, current and in the future, to simply enroll and receive benefits under this program.' .... Edwards said two amendments proposed in the House to require verification of citizenship and other qualifications were voted down and that Senate legislation also lacks any kind of verification provision.

"Congressman Dean Heller (R-Nev.) offered an amendment in the Ways and Means Committee to correct that, but it was defeated along party lines," Edwards said. .... The Senate Finance Committee has released only an outline of its health care plan -- not a full draft -- and that outline penalizes U.S. citizens and legal residents while allowing illegal aliens access to free health care, Edwards said.

"The Finance Committee outline, like the HELP and the House bills, mandates that individuals must carry health insurance or else face a fine," Edwards said. "The Finance outline says that illegal aliens will be exempt from that individual mandate. It sets up a system where you've got Americans and legal immigrants who have to have coverage or else pay a fine," Edwards said. "But illegal aliens would escape the mandate and any fine for not being insured.

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Panelists said the current health care legislation could, in fact, not only benefit illegal aliens but actually encourage more people to come into this country illegally. Rector called it a system that would establish "transnational welfare outreach."

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Rector said immigrants already account for $100 billion of the $700 billion spent annually in the United States helping low-income people, including health care services.

[flintauqua]

Just a question, in the post who is "Edwards".  The introduction of Edwards appears to have got lost in the truncation.  Not disagreeing!

Charles

[dnalexander]

    Even Pelosi has that deer in the headlights "shit the people are PISSED" "maybe I better not do this if I want to keep my job" look on her face most of the times she's been on tv lately.

Pam Pelosi always has that deer in the headlights look.  I think she gets botox shots.

David