Thumbs up for Arizona and Constitutional rights

[flintauqua]

Actually, that would be Angie, she doesn't like all the icing on the "extremes".

Thank you all for the well wishes.

Charles

[larryJ]

I have been busy today what with the babysitting my granddaughter and running some errands, but I didn't want to miss wishing you a happy happy birthday.  Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larryj

[Warph]

Here in Wonderland:
The horse and mule live thirty years
And never knows of wines and beers.

The goat and sheep at twenty die
Without a taste of scotch or rye.

The cow drinks water by the ton
And at eighteen is mostly done.

The dog at fifteen cashes in
Without the aid of rum or gin.

The modest, sober, bone-dry hen
Lays eggs for noggs and dies at ten.

But sinful, ginful, rum-soaked men
Survive three-score years and ten.

And some of us...though mighty few
Stay pickled 'til we're ninety-two.

Happy Birthday, Flint... The Rabbit 


Getting back to Arizona.... At a town hall meeting in his home state, sometimes-Republican Sen. John McCain was asked by an audience member, "I would like to know how the president is getting by with all of this money [he's spending]. It's against the Constitution. Doesn't he know we still live under a Constitution?"

McCain: I'm sure that he does. I'm sure --   

Audience: (laughter)   

McCain: No, no, I'm serious. I'm sure that he does and I'm sure that he respects the Constitution of the United States.

Audience: (groans)

McCain: No, no, no, no. No, I -- I -- I -- I really do. I -- I am absolutely convinced of it.

Audience Member: No!

McCain: I just believe, my friends, that there is a fundamental difference in philosophy and about the role of government. That's why we have competition for public office and competition amongst parties and competition about different ideas and visions for the future of America. I am convinced the president is absolutely sincere in his beliefs.

Audience: (groans)

McCain: But he's -- wait a minute. Wait a minute. He is sincere in his beliefs. We just -- we just happen to disagree, and he's the president of the United States and let's be respectful.   

In a friendlier atmosphere on ABC's "This Week," McCain said, "I look at this as an opportunity right now. ...Wouldn't it be a good idea for us Republicans and Democrats to sit down with the president? ... There's so many areas that we are in agreement on."

In a nutshell, that's why McCain lost in November.

He just doesn't get it. 

[Anmar]

Actually, I think he gets it more than we recognize.  I don't agree with John McCain's policies, nor do i agree with Obama, but what i do see is the degradation of the political process.  People no longer speak about issues with honesty and respect.  Things are being said about the current government that are downright lies.  I think that the right is going to an extreme and dark place that has the potential to cause major rifts in our society. 

People like to compare Obama to hitler, but when you look at some of the actions and statements by the far right, they are very similar in nature to the national socialists of pre-ww2 germany.  Substitue muslims for jews and there you have it.  I think McCain, Powell, and other centrists recognize the trend and are trying to stop it.  We saw McCain in the campaign make efforts to try and tone down the rhetoric against Obama and the left.  Maybe it did contribute to his loss, but it wasn't the reason.  A few lines out of McCain aren't going to reverse the negative sentiment created by 8 years of Bush and friends.

As for Obama not knowing the constitution, he was a professor of constitutional law.  We sit here and talk about second amendment or first amendment, but if he were on these forums, he'd probably put us all to shame with his knowledge of the constitution.

[srkruzich]

Obama is a product of the set that were indoctrinated to believe that the constitution is a living document.  Instead of him believing it to be the Law of the Land in which Government must obey, he believes it can be changed at will to fit whatever agenda he plans to put in place.  He along with the judicial system attempt to circumvent the proper proceedure for amending the constitution by legislating constitutional law.  Right now he's handicapped in that, because the judicial branch is divided.  What we really need is judges up there that are constitutionalists first, and liberal/conservative second.  We also need a president and congress that are constitutionalists first.

[Anmar]

how has the current administration tried to circumvent constitutional law?

[srkruzich]

how has the current administration tried to circumvent constitutional law?

Lets see, nationalizing banks, nationalizing auto industry, two things that are NOT the job of Government.  Its duties are specifically outlined and owning business's are not one of them.

[Anmar]

how has the current administration tried to circumvent constitutional law?

Lets see, nationalizing banks, nationalizing auto industry, two things that are NOT the job of Government.  Its duties are specifically outlined and owning business's are not one of them.

That was the Bush administration's doing.  I said CURRENT, try to keep up

[srkruzich]

how has the current administration tried to circumvent constitutional law?

Lets see, nationalizing banks, nationalizing auto industry, two things that are NOT the job of Government.  Its duties are specifically outlined and owning business's are not one of them.

That was the Bush administration's doing.  I said CURRENT, try to keep up

Hmmm lets see your still blaming everything on bush now.  Obamas had the office for 8 months now.  He's doling out the dough.  Try his stimulus bill. Thats outside of the powers granted by government, and this "attempt" at siezing healthcare is another avenue that is outside of the powers of government.

Lets also take a look at the deficit.  He's by far spent more money and subjected us to more debt than any other president in history.  Thats not constitutional as well as not legal according to balanced budget laws on the books.   

Cap n Trade isn't constitutional as well. Thats another takeover of Industry. 
We might just might get lucky and make it through til next years elections without any disasterous bills being passed, and by then we can remove them from power and set the balance of power back to where it belongs. 

[Anmar]

i'm playing devils advocate, you keep saying xyz violates the constitution, what part does it violate?  What laws are there that says the budget has to be balanced?  With the exception of Clinton, no president has balanced the budget since Jackson.

And yes, I blame bush for the bailouts, because he's the one that implemented them.  In fact he did so in spite of congress and his own party.  They voted against the auto bailout, so he went around them and used the TARP money that was already approved for the banks.  Why do you insist on blaming the current administration for something Bush did?  Don't you think that's dishonest?