Can Obama's Healthcare Plan be akin to Hitler's Plan?

[jerry wagner]

By the way Jerry.... When do you move to Canada?

Hmmm..... irrelevant.... I am a Citizen of the United States and thus entitled to express my opinion and also vote accordingly.  Should I support a national health care approach, I am entitled to do so.  Typical response really: "You don't like it here move."

[redcliffsw]

".........half of our country works for a living and half votes for a living."

Well then, can you tell us if you're working for a living or voting for a living?

[Anmar]

Maybe now is a bad time to mention that Obama's plan is almost the same as the plan that McCain proposed during the election.

[redcliffsw]

You might be right about that.  If so, I'm not surprised as the
two parties are not much different when you get right down to it.

[Warph]

Maybe now is a bad time to mention that Obama's plan is almost the same as the plan that McCain proposed during the election.

How so??? 


I know they both agree on a few issues.  Both want to speed up adoption of electronic record-keeping systems..... they also agree on the need for safety and transparency, speeding up the introduction of generic drugs, making it easier to buy drugs from overseas and on coordination of care for those seeing a variety of specialists.  Otherwise, they had radically different health care proposals.

[Anmar]

They also both pay for themselves in the same way, by borrowing money, and creating new taxes on peoples' existing health care benefits.  You like to rail on and on about socialism and communism, this is probably the only thing you can really talk about in that respect that i would agree with you on. 

Lets say Joe Schmoe works 45 hours a week, and his job provides him with compensation in the form of wages, health care, and any combination of other benefits (stock options, PTO, bonuses, etc).  As you know, these other benefits were originally instituted as a way to circumvent wage controls during ww2.  More recently, they have been used as a method of avoiding the income tax.  This is more prevalent among white collar workers and executives obviously. 

During the campaign, it was McCains proposal to implement taxes on these other forms of compensation in order to pay for a health care plan for the uninsured.  In fact, Obama severly criticized McCain because he wanted to introduce new taxes.  Obama also promised that he would not institute new taxes or raise taxes for the majority of Americans.  This new plan being introduced is basically McCains plan.  It taxes the benefits. 

Like i keep saying on these forums, repubs, dems, they are all the same.

[Varmit]

Getting back to the original question posed by the title of this thread, I would have to answer with a simple Yes, both Hitler and Obama share many of the same ideas.  Both wanted the eradication of what the thought to be "undesirables".  Now before you get all bent out of shape at the comparison, consider Obamas comment on "end of life" medical care, (I am paraphrasing here, I can't remember the exact quote) "Folks don't know for sure wether or not that treatment or surgery will work, so Hospice care should be looked at as an alternative"...in other words, you are either to old or sick to justify the cost, so just take a few painkillers, and go die. 

And by the way, if you honestly believe that you will be able to keep your current insurance policy, or get a new one, after his obamacare plan is passed, consider that on page 16 of this bill is a provision for the phasing out of private insurance, which states that private insurance companies cannot enroll new members after this bill goes through.

As a side note, I would like to bring up that our current "Science Czar" believes that people should be sterlized, without their consent, inorder to control the population.  This sick freak has some other "alternative" ideas that will be presented in another thread.

[pamsback]

As a side note, I would like to bring up that our current "Science Czar" believes that people should be sterlized, without their consent, inorder to control the population.  This sick freak has some other "alternative" ideas that will be presented in another thread.

Ha.... ain't like it's the first time THAT one has been used in this country....I THOUGHT we had EVOLVED a bit more by now....

you are either to old or sick to justify the cost, so just take a few painkillers, and go die.

You know I have ACtually given some thought to this on a PERSONAL level.....if I get where I can't get around and do stuff or get a disease that can't be cured but will get me eventually anyway...I'd just as soon get it over with myself. Quality instead of quantity.....but that's just my OWN thoughts not an endorsement of Obamas thing if that IS his thing. I don't know I didn't check..just thinkin out loud.

[Anmar]

I'm not sure how putting old people in nursing homes is the same as hitler roasting his jews, gypsies, and the handicapped. 

[Varmit]

Pam, I agree with you on the Quality of life vs. Quanity.  However, I think that each person should make that desicion for themselves.  I think that we are saying the same thing on that one.

Anmar, by denying the elderly and terminally ill the medical treatments needed to prolong their life, obama would be signing their death warrant.  By ordering jews, gypies, and the handicapped to be murdered Hitler signed theirs.