This Will Never Happen??????

[srkruzich]

Now, if the gov't includes the taxes that are suppopsed to go towards S. S. into the general budget, and can tap into them whenever they feel like it to pay for programs such as Medicare and medicaid, both of which are unconsititutional, then it is no longer a "you get what you pay in" kind of deal.  All it does is increase the burden that future generations will have to pay for.  So the next time you get a raise your allowance or more coverage in programs, thank your grandchildren, they are the ones who will be paying for it.

Then give me back my money that i paid in lump sum.  The fact is i did pay into it by force, and i expect every dime i can get back.   I worked hard and earned every dime paid into it. Doesn't matter if its unconstitutional program or not. 

By the way, I will not give up my yearly raise in my wages, that is money that I earned through my labor.  What have you done to earn taking even more of taxpayer money?

Then don't expect any of us that are retired to give up our raises in social security.  We earned every dime.   

[larryJ]

Perhaps you should do some research into the SS system and how it is supposed to work.  Google "Social Security Trust Fund" and read up on that.  I did until I got tired of reading.  Suffice to say, the system is not perfect and its demise is projected later on in this century.  In the meantime, it works because there are those like you that are working and pay into the system.  When I was working, I was paying into the system to allow those in the generation before me to have an income to help them out.  That is what you are doing.  The generation that I was helping out also paid into the system to help the next generation out.  And, guess what?  WE ALL BITCHED AND MOANED ABOUT HOW CRUMMY THE SYSTEM WAS AND HOW IT WAS GOING TO FAIL!

I am not that familiar with the constitution, but I firmly believe the word Medicare is not in there anywhere.

Our earliest patriots did not call it social security.  Provisions were made for those who could not support themselves to live with others in the community.  Basically, it was like two families living together and working together to help each other out.  An example would be:  The man of the family dies and the surviving widow can't support herself and her kids.  So the community sells off the assets of the family (farm, furniture, etc.) and makes arrangements with another family to take them in.  The money from the sale of assets is given to the family and helps to support both families.  Later on, poor houses were more widely accepted as an alternative.  These were like retirement centers except that the community ponied up the money to pay for the housing and feeding of older person.  This money came from taxes collected from the community.  Social security?  Not by name, but the idea was the same.

I do not have to thank my grandchildren for any increase in my income.  I have to thank you because you are the one who is paying for it.  You can thank my grandchildren as they will be paying yours!

Larryj

[Teresa]

Frank.......18 months to vote them out?

With ACORN supplying more voters than a district has residents like in the Coleman/Franken race, and 20 million illegal aliens that the administration wants to amnesty an election doesn't amount to a "yellow urine" hole in the snow.
I'm simply resigned to the fact that the only way REAL Americans will ever get our country back is by hanging the Globalist Elite and as many of their minions as we can catch. And before you tell me I don't have any faith io my country... you couldn't be further from the truth!
I have plenty of faith in my COUNTRY, it's the leeches running it and the brainwashed buttheads who elect them I have no faith in.

Yes, we may live in a country with more freedoms than any other, HOWEVER, we are no where NEAR as free as we were 30 or 40 years ago.  You're going to enjoy "my second amendment rights", you mean the one that "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" ? As long as you have individual permission from the FBI anyway ?  You are going to work where and when you please ? Good for you, the socialist b*#@!% of a President we have now has almost killed the manufacturing sector...so think about that IF you still have a job and are not one of the unemployed right now.
Speak freely ? Worship as you please ? Good deal, just don't let any one find out if your Pastor anounces anything that is not of the Liberal agenda..
I work with my representatives  but not much is being changed as far as I can tell. .. So while we are working with our elected Representative remember this, no matter what party, no matter how he votes, no matter how moral he personally is, he is just as guilty as the scumbags who get caught, because he is allowing them to get away with their rotten practices. He came so cheap they didn't even need to make him rich, they just promise him Committee appointments.
I remember what America was like back when it really WAS a free Republic, that stood for certain morals and beliefs. I miss that country.

Two thoughts...one being that if you've never experienced certain freedoms, how can you miss them and two if you are in an isolated patch of the country,those people will be unaware of the evil if their range of information comes in from the outside via the mainstream media.

I remember when anyone could go down to the feed store and buy a case or two of dynamite to blast stumps or what not.
I remember when a kid could order a 22 from Sears mail order and have it delivered to home.
I remember when you could walk on a plane with a gun and they'd ask if there was a round in the chamber or not.
Back 40 years ago in major metropolitan areas, it was front page news in the Sunday paper if a woman got raped that week....and a big spread if it happened more than twice a month.
Years ago, a bad kid was one that chewed gum in class knowing good and well he wasn't supposed to.
Before there was this Great Society that Johnson foisted on us people took care of one another...and appreciated the help.
There was very little health insurance for anyone...then, as now, people aren't dying by the ten's of thousands without it.
Everyone knew if someone was in the country illegally they were a criminal.
People weren't scared to stand up for something....I guess a lot of the single parent mommy families have changed all of that...shame on the dads who failed to participate..
I remember when kids walked up and down the roads and streets carrying guns to go hunting and shooting....no silly scared old women or silly single parent mommy boys crying about a kid with a gun and calling the police on them because they are frightened.
I remember if a woman had a flat tire a guy would stop and change it and she never had to worry about being molested.
People were polite and generally didn't cut in line or anything....and chastised those who did and the men made the offender get in the back of the line....or leave (did that just the other day, by the way).
People would help the elderly, move out of their way in lines, load their groceries for them...whatever else...because it is the right thing to do.
You could vote for either party and not worry that the President would trash the country.

Boy, we have really improved things...all of this tolerance, diversity, illegal influx, enlightenment, personal affluence and satisfaction...sure has made this a better place to live....NOT.

[Varmit]

Then give me back my money that i paid in lump sum.  The fact is i did pay into it by force, and i expect every dime i can get back.   I worked hard and earned every dime paid into it. Doesn't matter if its unconstitutional program or not. 
Then don't expect any of us that are retired to give up our raises in social security.  We earned every dime.  

Let me ask you this, have you ever recieved a tax return or credit, or use programs like medicare or medicaid?  By the way how did you earn taking other peoples money??


Also, the Idea the founders had was nothing like we have today.  In their time seniors were taken care of by the community on a  volunteer basis, it was not a gov't run system of theft like we have today.

[srkruzich]

Then give me back my money that i paid in lump sum.  The fact is i did pay into it by force, and i expect every dime i can get back.   I worked hard and earned every dime paid into it. Doesn't matter if its unconstitutional program or not. 
Then don't expect any of us that are retired to give up our raises in social security.  We earned every dime.  

Let me ask you this, have you ever recieved a tax return or credit, or use programs like medicare or medicaid?

Tax return?  Hmm IF i overpaid my tax yeah.  But usually i shelled out money to pay taxes.  I am on social security dude.  Medicare comes with it.   I pay for it too.  costs me 135 a month plus a couple hundred deductible every year and another 60 -80 a month for drug costs.   

I Don't get medicaid thats welfare

By the way how did you earn taking other peoples money??

? What are you talking about? 

Also, the Idea the founders had was nothing like we have today.  In their time seniors were taken care of by the community on a  volunteer basis, it was not a gov't run system of theft like we have today.

Well I don't disagree but since i spent 35 some odd years of uncle sam stealing my money to fund social ssecurity, i have no problem getting what i can back.    

[larryJ]

Tax return?  Yeah, I got a refund for many years because I overpaid my taxes (keyword: overpaid) and now the wheel has slowly turned and my kids grew up, I lost the deductions, the interest I pay on my mortgage is lower as I have been in the house for a long time and I have been paying taxes for a lot of years. My son is a CPA and a very good one at that.  He handles my financial life for me.  Since I have been retired for over three years, I have paying more taxes than I did when I was working.  Go figure!  Might be somebody is raising the bar here.  Can you see all the seniors who are Walmart greeters or doing other menial jobs to supplement their incomes.  They are not out there doing that so they won't get bored, at least not all of them.  If I was in better health, I would go get a job for the fun of it and take it away from someone who desperately needs it.

As I said earlier, I paid into SS for a long time and I want some back, whether its mine or yours or my grand-kids. 

I am on Medicare even though I could have stayed on my wife's insurance from her employer.  It costs me more in co-pays and lab work and other tests, but the feds are going to take $95 out of my SS check every month whether I use it or not.  Just recently I dropped off my wife's insurance because it was too much of a hassle for the insurance company and medicare fighting over who was going to pay for my medical needs.

Only two times in my life have I used government money, both times when I was on disability for broken bones or an operation.  And I paid into that too.

Larryj