TEACHER SLAMS OBAMA

[pamsback]

  Geez Wilma, I disagree with him quite a bit but that's a bit harsh ain't it? I kinda enjoy tryin to change his mind a wee bit!

[Wilma]

Maybe it is, Pam, but do you really think you can change his mind, even a little bit.  And don't you get a little bit tired of being told what you should think?

[pamsback]

Maybe it is, Pam, but do you really think you can change his mind, even a little bit.  And don't you get a little bit tired of being told what you should think?

I don't know if I can or not but it's a challenge lol. People been TRYIN to tell me what to think for years......doesn't really work all that well for em

[Teresa]

So why don't you go join a forum where the people that need to be told can read what you have to say and let this one rest?  Someone not so long ago said that they didn't think this forum was big enough to get much attention.  Are you sure your message is getting to the people that need to hear it?

Well!      My pm box is almost full after that remark! 17 comments in fact
And most from people who don't even post on the forum! But who read the forum every day.(or night)
The few who do actively post and are active members had plenty to say.
And no one was very happy with that comment...! Nor am I.

I was actually in bed for a change, before the early morning hours and my computer alerts were going off so much that it woke me up and  I had to get up and see what in the world was causing that many responses...it was continuing to clang until I opened them up to stop it. (Owning 3 websites the computers are never turned off and we have different sounds that alert us to different things so that we stay on top of everything that it takes to keep the sites working properly. . ) *So even if I needed the "break" from this place..I don't get it.........because if it is to remain a working website for the rest of you.. I still have to maintain it on a daily basis. Soooo, I am up and here! *

Thought it was my Facebook alerts...but nope.. it was Howard.......,. 

Billy. I'm the only one that has the authority to "ask" or "tell" anyone to leave the forum.
I have never done it and I most likely never will. So......... You are going nowhere! Understand?
If you ever decide to take leave of this place.. it will be because YOU have decided on your own to do it.. No other reason..
You have people ... and I mean *Lots more than quite a few* who are applauding your posts in the background. Who don't need a rest from what you are saying and trying to get people to understand. Who don't think your posts and messages are  hard to understand or decipher....And the truth they ring is undeniable to many.
 
And since it has been thrown on the table ..........I'll state in public that I have never had so many thumbs up responses (for the good) until you started posting in this section.. I get them every day asking me who you are.. and where you come from and how darn glad they are,  that you are in here..

Now with that said.....................
I'm going to go back to bed and try to get some sleep.

[Varmit]

So why don't you go join a forum where the people that need to be told can read what you have to say and let this one rest?  Someone not so long ago said that they didn't think this forum was big enough to get much attention.  Are you sure your message is getting to the people that need to hear it?

Wilma, there are people on here from Delaware, Missiouri, California, not just Elk County.  So, Yeah, I think that my message is getting out there.  By the way, no one is forcing you to read my posts.

Maybe it is, Pam, but do you really think you can change his mind, even a little bit.  And don't you get a little bit tired of being told what you should think?

That one made me chuckle.  Everyone that posts in the politics section is just as "guilty" as I am of that one.  By trying to change my mind aren't YOU telling ME what I should think???

[indygal]

Does it make a difference on who wrote a poem that you read? Does it make a difference on who wrote a movie that you watched or a song that you heard as to whether you find it to be credible?   
What makes the difference who wrote it? Why smugly stand up and proclaim that it supposedly isn't a true fact filled written piece of information just because snopes said it wasn't written by "the name that is on the article".?
Does this take away from what is written and what the article states?
I think not.

Kjell, I respectfully disagree with you on this. Attributing the authorship of written material to someone who didn't write it is called plagiarism (the theft of intellectual property), and yes, to me, it does matter who wrote something. I may be in the minority, but I do care about giving credit -- and credibility -- to the person who states something as fact. Which opinion holds more sway: that of an educator who speaks/writes several languages (as if this has any relevance to what was stated), or that of an auto mechanic? (Not to say mechanics aren't credible, but hopefully you get what I'm saying.)

Anyone with a keyboard and Internet connection can claim that an article was written by a prominent expert, and who is going to take the time to check it out? And how many will pass it along as the truth? Doesn't that fall under the category of "believing everything you read or hear and not thinking for yourself?" I'm more lilkely to trust Snopes than something that's been forwarded because it seems credible (especially if it supports a particular opinion). It's a matter of accountability, and that is something that matters to me.

Let me ask you this: if you received an email that says a prominent Mayo Clinic physician has discovered that eating earthworms will cure diabetes, would you take this to be true, or would you investigate a little more? Sadly, there are those who would be headed for the bait shop because a "doctor" said it was true. So yes, I do care whose name is at the top of an article. If someone is willing to lie about who wrote it, then I cannot trust that the entire piece isn't a lie as well.

[srkruzich]

Also this teacher mentioned that this country was founded on judeo-christian values and used the declaration of independence and the constitution as support.  I think the teacher needs to go back and take a look because there isn't a work there about christianity or judaism.  No wonder our kids are doing so poorly in school.

Obviously your teacher didn't teach you that the constitution was modeled after "The Fundamental Orders of Connecticut

January 14, 1639"  Link to this order is here...http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/orders.shtml

Secondly the framers were christian men, and they did follow a biblical path to forming the constitution. First of all it was model after a New testament church in its design.  I can post that model later if you wish.

Third here are the reasons why most christians believe this country was founded on christian principles.

The U.S. Constitution is based on the earliest State Constitutions, which in turn, are based on documents in the early colonial era that are based on documents drawn up by the first settlers which are recognized as covenants.[12]

In the Bible all of God's dealings with man take place with covenants: solemn agreements between God and man.[12]

"Only two nations in history have been governed by constitution — the ancient Israel and the modern America. Those are the two nations that are based on this Biblical idea of covenant contract constitution." - Rabbi Daniel Laplin[12]

They Mayflower compact is one of 100 such documents that predated the constitution. One of the most significant forerunners was The Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, written in 1639, based on a sermon by the great Puritan Minister Thomas Hooker. It was the first complete constitution written on American soil. It states, in part, ". . . We enter into combination and confederation together to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus which we now profess . . ." In 1787, George Washington ordered that it be copied so every delegate at the Constiutional Convention could have a copy of Connecticut's state Constitution because it was so powerfully done, so effective a document, he wanted it to be a reference work for the Federal Constitution they were about to create.[12]

The Constitution is also predicated on the Declaration of Independence which states the why of our government and calls on God's witness as a covenant. Our Constitution is a nice tidy document with a preamble and a few articles. The framers signed the document, because according to Donald S. Lutz of the University of Houston, their Biblical roots taught them that there should be a list of names at the end of the document, because there must be parties to a covenant.[12]

"The idea of Federal government is derived from the Christian tradition. The word Federal comes from the Latin word for covenant: 'foedus.'" - Donald S. Lutz[12]

The word "election" grew out of the Calvinist doctrine of election, designed for a virtuous people to help identify who among them was the most virtuous, those who were most likely to be among the elect, those who were most likely to be saved.[12]

Our unique checks-and-balances system of government would never have been conceived through secularism. For example, the 3 Branches of Government is based on Isaiah 33:22. The separation of powers is based on Jeremiah 17:9. Tax exemption of churches is based on Ezra 7:24.[33]

"Our Constitution was written by Christian men with a Biblical world view. It cannot be traced back to the secular European Enlightenment, but rather to the Christian covenants and compacts developed by the Pilgrims and the Puritans and their spiritual descents and they looked to the Bible for guidance." - Dr. D. James Kennedy[12]

"America is the longest ongoing constitutional republic in the history of the world." - David Barton[12]

[pamsback]

By trying to change my mind aren't YOU telling ME what I should think???

LOL! Hell no, I just throw stuff out to try to get people to think! Dude if you actually knew me you would find out that we are a LOT closer on a LOT of things than you would ever think. There are SOME things however that we are WORLDS apart on...I just don't happen to think that means we have to be enemies! If you say somethin that makes ME think about those things or I say somethin that makes YOU think about those things that is progress in my mind.

I don't say things to get people to agree with me, I say em cause it's actually what I THINK!

[Wilma]

And so it should be, Pam.  Say it because you believe it and once you have said it, does it help to keep hammering at it?  When you start hammering at it, then is when you are trying to tell someone else what to think. 

You make a lot of sense, Pam.  Wish I had your vocabulary and ability to express an opinion.

[Jo McDonald]

Just a footnote ****
The letter has a signature AND an address plus telephone numbers.  IF  just in case anyone would REALLY like to know who the author of the letter is .. Why don't you take it upon yourself to write her or call her to ask and find out??  Why would you have to log onto Snoops to get your answer?
  Good grief - do whatever it takes to satisfy your own self so you can feel  you are not being "hog washed".
  Jo