Property Rights & Lootin

Started by redcliffsw, April 03, 2009, 11:38:02 AM

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redcliffsw

Dr. Walter Williams tells it like so many others can't...

Most of our nation's great problems, including our economic problems, have as their root decaying moral values. Whether we have the stomach to own up to it or not, we have become an immoral people left with little more than the pretense of morality. You say, "That's a pretty heavy charge, Williams. You'd better be prepared to back it up with evidence!" I'll try with a few questions for you to answer.

Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to being so used, do you believe that there should be the initiation of some kind of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions, but I bet that your average college professor, politician or minister would not give a simple yes or no response. They would be evasive and probably say that it all depends.

In thinking about questions of morality, my initial premise is that I am my private property and you are your private property. That's simple. What's complex is what percentage of me belongs to someone else. If we accept the idea of self-ownership, then certain acts are readily revealed as moral or immoral. Acts such as rape and murder are immoral because they violate one's private property rights. Theft of the physical things that we own, such as cars, jewelry and money, also violates our ownership rights.

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Varmit

I can agree with about 99% of what he said but I am curious as to why he included ministers. Need a little more detail on that. The rest was spot on.
It is high time we eased the drought suffered by the Tree of Liberty. Let us not stand and suffer the bonds of tyranny, nor ignorance, laziness, cowardice. It is better that we die in our cause then to say that we took counsel among these.

srkruzich

Quote from: Varmit on April 04, 2009, 03:52:02 AM
I can agree with about 99% of what he said but I am curious as to why he included ministers. Need a little more detail on that. The rest was spot on.

A large percentage of ministers support the theft and slavery of our producers.  They believe the ends justifies the means.   
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

Varmit

still a little lost, how do they support slavery and theft?
It is high time we eased the drought suffered by the Tree of Liberty. Let us not stand and suffer the bonds of tyranny, nor ignorance, laziness, cowardice. It is better that we die in our cause then to say that we took counsel among these.

srkruzich

Quote from: Varmit on April 04, 2009, 06:50:00 AM
still a little lost, how do they support slavery and theft?

By taxing the hell out of someone just because they are successful and redistributing the wealth.  You dont' see these ministers saying no to it.  Most of them are supportive because they see the poor as being persecuted.

it is slavery if you work hard and produce, and your money is stolen by Government with the use of force to take your money.  You are forced to work for free.  In this country most taxpayors work 5 months for free and give their hardearned money in those 5 months to the government because government will come take all that they have if they don't.  And then Governmnet gives this hard earned money to whomever they deem is poor enough to get it.   

Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

Varmit

Oooohhh!  Those ministers, I thought he was talking about preachers who actually believe in and preach the word of God.
It is high time we eased the drought suffered by the Tree of Liberty. Let us not stand and suffer the bonds of tyranny, nor ignorance, laziness, cowardice. It is better that we die in our cause then to say that we took counsel among these.

srkruzich

Quote from: Varmit on April 04, 2009, 12:39:27 PM
Oooohhh!  Those ministers, I thought he was talking about preachers who actually believe in and preach the word of God.
Which are very few and far between.   I haven't met very many that are true.  Most are only there to keep their members happy and feel good. 

Its rare to find one that will tell it like it is anymore.
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

Varmit

Amen to that.  Probably th ebiggest reason I quit going to church.  The last really good church I attended was the Bible Baptist Church in fairbanks AK.  I would still be going but the commute is killer.
It is high time we eased the drought suffered by the Tree of Liberty. Let us not stand and suffer the bonds of tyranny, nor ignorance, laziness, cowardice. It is better that we die in our cause then to say that we took counsel among these.

srkruzich

Quote from: Varmit on April 04, 2009, 12:44:02 PM
Amen to that.  Probably th ebiggest reason I quit going to church.  The last really good church I attended was the Bible Baptist Church in fairbanks AK.  I would still be going but the commute is killer.
is that one run by the wyckoffs? 
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

Varmit

wyckoff?  when I was there Pastor Duffett was leading.
It is high time we eased the drought suffered by the Tree of Liberty. Let us not stand and suffer the bonds of tyranny, nor ignorance, laziness, cowardice. It is better that we die in our cause then to say that we took counsel among these.

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