Convince me

[pam]

 I have a challenge as an undecided voter for you all. Instead of all the negative would you all post the positive about your respective favorite candidate to try to convince me and the other undecided voters who would be the best place for our votes? Find their postions on the issues that matter in real life? I seriously do not have a candidate that will let me vote for them with a clear conscience at this point. i'm not interested in arguin with anybody, I'm interested in information. Now touch gloves and be nice lol

[pam]

ps. This isn't the only place I'm askin this question

[srkruzich]

Well voting democrat or republican is voting the same.  Their two sides of the same coin.
Libertarian is the best choice.  Candidate Bob Barr.  I know him from seeing him around town in cobb county when i lived and worked there.  He along with most folks around there stopped off every morning for coffee at the big chicken on marietta parkway. 
He's pretty good in his ideals. return our government back to the constitutional government it was originally founded. 

Robert Laurence "Bob" Barr, Jr.[5] (born November 5, 1948) is the Libertarian Party nominee for President of the United States in the 2008 election.[6] He is a former federal prosecutor and a former member of the United States House of Representatives.[7] He represented Georgia's 7th congressional district as a Republican from 1995 to 2003.[7][8]

Barr attained national prominence as one of the leaders of the impeachment of President Bill Clinton.[7] Barr joined the Libertarian Party in 2006,[9] and until May 2008[citation needed] served on its National Committee.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Barr#Early_career

[Catwoman]

As a very astute person pointed out in an earlier post, there is no such thing as the perfect candidate.  I think, if you looking for conviction in the case of a candidate, you have to look at who you deem yourself to be...and then vote for the candidate who most closely matches yourself...although, from what I have read of your posts, I would have to say that you're 10 times the better man over either of the candidates...which is going to make your selection of your vote devilishly hard.  I dare say, I haven't convinced you of anything...but, I think you know that that will be the end result.   

[Diane Amberg]

So....vote for Paris Hilton!

[Warph]

Go to http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/ and http://www.barackobama.com/issues/  and read the issues of what each candidate stands for.  I would follow those issues until election day to see if they stand pat in what the candidate says.  This should make up your mind if you want to vote for Sen. McCain on his conservative issues or Sen. Obama, on his socalistic issues.   


And here's some food for thought.... Lets take OIL.

John McCain (R) $206,935 -- Biggest contributors: Hess Corp and Glencore Ltd

Barack Obama (D) $110,412 -- Biggest contributors: Exxon Mobil and Hess Corp

It is a no brainer that Oil companies have donated more to Sen. Mcain because he wants to drill in America.  I don't know why anybody would have a problem with that.  What you should have the problem with is the fact the enviormental lobby sends at least 75% of their money to democrats.  That is mainly why their party refuses to drill in America.  While we have been saving tree frogs and democrats have been lining their pockets with enviormental money, we have been spending our money for OIL with Saudi Arabia, Venezula and, Russia, etc.  These people do not have our best interests in mind. 

Although we do not buy from Iran directly, they are a big part of OPEC and they have used a big share of their OPEC FUNDS to arm themselves with our tax-payer dollars.  Think about our military who are fighting this war in Iraq who have lost their lives and many wounded who have lost limbs and other horrible wounds due to I.E.D.'s. due to the insurgency funded by Iran.  The majority of insurgents have been trained to kill on our OIL money. 

Look at the million barrels of oil we would probably be getting from Alaska if we started drilling over 7 years ago when George Bush, republicans and some democrats wanted to.  So when you hear that democrats distort the truth and tell you it will not help the problem if we start drilling for oil, ask them these questions:   At the current price multiplied by one million barrels, how much money would be staying in America?  How many U.S. jobs would be created?  etc.. etc... etc.  Go to PickinsPlan.com and learn how much tax-payers money is leaving this country daily, monthly, yearly.  Pickens points out:  "Of those who described themselves as Democrats, 92% said John McCain and Barack Obama should adopt the Pickens Plan. For Republicans, the number was 88%. Independents, 82%. That's not all. When asked whether the Pickens Plan was realistic, 89% of Democrats, 86% of Republicans, and 84% of Independents responded yes." 

True, Pickens will probably make a pile of money on oil and alternative energy fuels.  But at the same time, it will create a tremendous amount of jobs for Americans and keep our dollar in the good ol' U.S.of A.  Not only will this help our energy crisis, it will help our economy ten-fold.

Also, you can remind the democrats that this OIL problem has been looming for close to three decades because they were dragging their feet because of the enviormentalist?  Ask them what they themselves have proposed to head this off.  Ask them how much of our own wealth would still be in America?  I also wonder how many United States citizens as well as Israeli citizens that have lost their lives at the hands of these hostile governments would still be alive if we had kept our tax-payer dollars in our country and not put it into theirs.

And lastly, listen to Frank Winn.  From what I understand and reading his posts on this subject, he has been in OIL most of his life and is very knowledgeable on America's OIL problems.  ....Warph

[Teresa]

Well voting democrat or republican is voting the same.  Their two sides of the same coin.
Libertarian is the best choice.  Candidate Bob Barr. 

I respect your views..more than you know. And if I thought for one minute he had a chance of winning, he might get my vote..but he doesn't. What 3rd parties represent is idealism.  This election year, the presumptive nominees are both sitting left of center for their respective parties.  From this there will be more interest in 3rd parties than ever before.

Unfortunately this is where "idealism" and "realism" have a violent collision.   

Third party candidates have never been able to capture the popular votes or more importantly, the electoral votes needed.  Best 3rd party effort since Teddy Roosevelt was that of Ross Perot in 1992.  He had almost 19% of the popular vote but zero electoral votes.  Zero.
What this means for this election year is that as good intentioned as a 3rd party vote may be, it will only serve to help get Obama elected as President of the United States.

You may like folks like  Bob Barr and you may not like McCain.  But the reality of this is simple enough for me to understand.  For this presidential election, voting for any 3rd party candidate boils down to as being "idealistic" and will result in having Obama elected president ...  Don't know about you, but when I say "President Barak Hussein Obama" I get a little throw up in the back of my throat. .. and an almost sick panicky feeling inside my stomach and gut.

This election may be the most dramatic example of electing the worse of two evils.  But if you think that McCain represents an "awful compromise" ... what will the reality of President Obama be?  Please think of what a 3rd party vote really means.

To some Libertarians it means we need to teach the Republican party a "lesson"...

How much of a "lesson" are you willing to take if Obama gets elected?  Fubar economics?  Trash the 2nd Amendment?  Forget about national security?  You think McCain would appoint liberal judges?  Who do you think Bro'O would appoint?!? 

I don't much like McCain either.  But he has a better chance to win than anything else we can field against Obama.  With all due respect, the idea of teaching conservative values by defaulting in an election is too dangerous.
Our primary objective should be to do whatever we can to keep Obama from being the President of the United States.  Voting for a 3rd party candidate that has a chance of winning is one thing......  But throwing your vote away on a 3rd party candidate that has NO CHANCE is not the lesson we need or can afford at this time.

[srkruzich]

Well voting democrat or republican is voting the same.  Their two sides of the same coin.
Libertarian is the best choice.  Candidate Bob Barr.

I respect your views..more than you know. And if I thought for one minute he had a chance of winning, he might get my vote..but he doesn't. What 3rd parties represent is idealism.  This election year, the presumptive nominees are both sitting left of center for their respective parties.  From this there will be more interest in 3rd parties than ever before.

Unfortunately this is where "idealism" and "realism" have a violent collision.   

Third party candidates have never been able to capture the popular votes or more importantly, the electoral votes needed.  Best 3rd party effort since Teddy Roosevelt was that of Ross Perot in 1992.  He had almost 19% of the popular vote but zero electoral votes.  Zero.
What this means for this election year is that as good intentioned as a 3rd party vote may be, it will only serve to help get Obama elected as President of the United States.

You may like folks like  Bob Barr and you may not like McCain.  But the reality of this is simple enough for me to understand.  For this presidential election, voting for any 3rd party candidate boils down to as being "idealistic" and will result in having Obama elected president ...  Don't know about you, but when I say "President Barak Hussein Obama" I get a little throw up in the back of my throat. .. and an almost sick panicky feeling inside my stomach and gut.

This election may be the most dramatic example of electing the worse of two evils.  But if you think that McCain represents an "awful compromise" ... what will the reality of President Obama be?  Please think of what a 3rd party vote really means.

To some Libertarians it means we need to teach the Republican party a "lesson"...

How much of a "lesson" are you willing to take if Obama gets elected?  Fubar economics?  Trash the 2nd Amendment?  Forget about national security?  You think McCain would appoint liberal judges?  Who do you think Bro'O would appoint?!? 

I don't much like McCain either.  But he has a better chance to win than anything else we can field against Obama.  With all due respect, the idea of teaching conservative values by defaulting in an election is too dangerous.
Our primary objective should be to do whatever we can to keep Obama from being the President of the United States.  Voting for a 3rd party candidate that has a chance of winning is one thing......  But throwing your vote away on a 3rd party candidate that has NO CHANCE is not the lesson we need or can afford at this time.

You know i understand what you are saying and quite frankly i am tired of being forced to vote for soemone i don't like to keep someone i detest even more from getting in office.   What will happen is i will probably vote for mccaiin, Not that it really matters cause our votes don't even count for presidential elections.  I will however vote libertarian for those that run for senate, mayor, dogcatcher, sherriff ect. if we start on the local levels and require our locals to adhere to a constitutional united states, then eventually we will et it through the bottom up.    If you elect leaders in the state that hold true to constitutional values, then you can't help but get national leaders that will do the same.   

[pam]

Just want to say thanks to ya'll for your posts. I'm like you all I don't want to just vote for somebody because I think they will do the least damage This country needs a REAL candidate. This IS a great country but it ain't gonna STAY a great country without a big shakeup from the top down in my opinion.

[Teresa]

I agree Pam 100%.. But again.. THIS year isn't the year to 'try to make a point"....  Our country must get back on track.  I have had enough of the fiscal and moral decay too.

To this, it is my contention is that we will face far more harm with Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama as president than any possible harm that McCain could stir up.

In other words, BHO is a danger where McCain is really just an annoyance.  Everybody has different levels of when they have been "annoyed" enough and then they become righteously pissed off.  All the same, better to be annoyed with McCain four years is better  than in danger with Obama for four or maybe eight years.  As well, we can't negate the possible momentum the far left agenda will gain should we allow their foot in the door. 

People may want to vote on "principle," but in doing so, our nation goes evermore closer to Marxist socialism.
And I agree that maybe even with McCain we just get there a bit later and but we still leave a mess for our children or grandchildren or great-grandchildren to try to clean up. But in my opinion BHO will be far worse and it would take decades to undo the damage - if we even can.

As we slowly become desensitized to the "outrages" in life, the shock value that cause's one to act or to change is lost.  The longer we wait to act the more likely it is that there will be no action at all.  The slow death of a nation always results....in the death of a nation. It is something no one here wants to even think about, because it will be terrible in its own way, but how long can it be postponed?

While McCain has been surrounding himself with conservatives..I still wonder sometimes about him .. .he has "moments" when he understands what side of the aisle he should be standing on and other "moments" that make us wonder if it's aisle or isle.  We can only hope that he, like other Presidents have done, will listen to his advisers.

However, this election is not about if you want John McCain for President.  This election is not just about you voting for your conscious or beliefs either. While there is due respect for you to stand and vote your mind, unfortunately this election has a lot more on the table than you voting your mind.

This election is about whether YOU want Barack Hussein Obama as the President of the United States or not. The reality is simple.  Do you want Obama President?  If you say "YES", then vote for BHO or for a 3rd party candidate of your "belief".  Very simple.  Don't vote McCain and you will have Barack Hussein Obama as your President.
If you say "NO" to having Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama (that I understand is his full legal name) then vote for McCain.

Once again, at this time there is no 3rd party candidate that will capture enough of the popular vote or electoral vote to win.  When you vote for the 3rd party candidate you are voting for Barack Hussein Obama because it's one less vote for McCain. So I am like you srkruzich ( and hopefully like a host of others) I'll vote McCain.

Fiscally speaking, McCain and Obama are night vs. day. I think McCain has the first hand  experience of war and of government to handle our country. Obama has zip on both counts.
McCain is clearly the better of the choices for the 2A (gun rights), the economy, defense and taxes.Obama has said they will raise our taxes! You want to pay more so the gummint can take away your guns?
Obama has been very clear on his 2nd Amendment position.  He says nobody ( or at least the law abiding citizen)  should have a gun.  Nobody! Not a hunting gun.. not a pistol.. not your Great Great Grandfathers antique gun.. not a cap pistol.. NONE! 
Consider the greenies and gun-grabbers in the Interior Dept.and the State Dept people who have undermined Bush's initiatives, and can you even begin to imagine the what the BATFE will do with rules changes when the gloves come off under gun-grabber Obama?

What scares me most, is that Obama ( and his wife) are so secretly hateful of this country that he will use all or any methods - and more like FEMA's "empowerment" to suspend the Constitution - to ensure that we are never allowed to go back - without another revolution.

I could go on and on about how I feel.. but I'll stop..