Barack Hussein Obama (split)

[pam]

I KNOW this is gonna get me in trouble but I'm gonna say it anyway cause it's true. The tax cut they want to do away with is for the TOP income brackets and the people in those income brackets don't do the work that earns the money, people like me and you and all the other lower and lower middle income people do the work that supports them in the manner to which they have become accustomed. They should pay their fair share based on their income just like everybody else.

[frawin]

Pam, who do you think provides the Capital and takes the risk  to provide people the jobs. As an example, the Democrats are wanting to Tax the Oil Companies more and yet they want the oil companies to spend more. The success of the Industrial Revolution in this country was due to the risk and investment by people like Henry Ford, John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan and others, that coupled with the work ethics of the American people.
Frank

During this political season let's be reminded of these wise words.

          You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
          You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
          You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
          You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
          You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
          You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
          You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

          Rev WM Boetcker

[pam]

i pay taxes on the money I get paid for doing the work. I pay tax on buying the stuff. I pay tax for owning the stuff. This isn't about destroying the rich, this is about them paying the tax on what they get just like us chickens do.

[frawin]

The Corporations and the "so-called Rich" pay their fair share, you have been listeninng to the Liberal Left News Media and the Democrats to much. Take the time to read some of the Annual Reports of America's companies, people keep complaining about Exxon's earnings and they have no idea or don't seem to care what Exxon's expenditures are, what their risks are, the long payouts that projects take. If this country is to ever have any kind of energy security or independence it will be due to the American Oil industry, all levels of it, not due to the Government.
Frank

[pam]

Dude I'm not pickin out the oil companies you are, there is more to the american economy than oil companies for cripes sake.Just because I'm not rich doesn't mean I don't know about tax-breaks and loopholes. I don't care HOW much money anybody makes but me. Pay the taxes on it is all I'm sayin and if you don't get that I'm sorry.

I listen to both sides and like I said before the truth is ALWAYS somewhere in the middle. The liberals are not big boogymen any more than the hard conservatives are. Actually I think they both exist to show people of reason where the truth DOES lie. Both sides need to peek out from behind the barricades and see that the other side are just people with a different idea.

[flo]

the only "fair" way to pay income tax is for EVERYONE to pay 10% of their annual earnings, regardless of who you are or what your income is, no deductions, no loopholes, no credits, no nothing, just 10% period. 

[frawin]

Flo, sounds good, I don't know of anything that would stop investment in marginal projects any quicker than a tax like that. Why would anyone, corporation or individual take the risk on a marginal project if they were no tax breaks to do it. The flat tax has some merit, but i don't think it will work if there are no deductions for high risk projects.

Frank

[pam]

people used to take risks because they had an idea they were willin to back up with their own money because they believed in that idea not because the government made it profitable to take a risk.

[sixdogsmom]

Frank, sorry but this is not a quote from Abraham Lincoln.


Frank

During this political season let's be reminded of these wise words.

          You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
          You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
          You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
          You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
          You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
          You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
          You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

          Abraham Lincoln 




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[frawin]

SDM, you are correct, it was the Rev WM Boetcker, I had saved this because I liked it so much, I just didn't wipe out the credis given to Honest Abe in error, my mistake.
Frank