This Stupid Election

[pam]

Well, In my opinion this election is a big friggin joke. Since Obama didn't get any votes in Michigan Hillary, give him some of yours and we'll let you count some of em for yourself. GIVE ME A BREAK!! Didn't think that everybody gets to bat thing didn't go much past t-ball games for 4 year olds  I'm not a fan of either one of them but this thing is goin a little far. Does anybody even consider that if we hadn't let Bush steal his first election we would probably not be in a no win war at this very moment? How many times are the voters gonna let the political establishment screw em, NOT consider who gets the POPULAR vote and orchestrate the election to go the way THEY want it to? Just watch, nobody will say a thing and if they do nobody will pay any attention to em, kinda like the waste of time this post is gonna be but at least my opinion is on record. We deserve what we get if stuff like this is allowed.

[Wilma]

Pam, I agree with you.  I think all the votes in Florida and Michigan should be counted and not as half votes.  Why are we voting if they don't get counted.  And it wasn't the voters who decided to hold their primaries early.  It was the party's big wigs.  Penalize them.  Count the votes.  I can't say that I favor Hillary over Obama, but the popular vote should count for something.  It is the same thing as denying the voters the right to vote. 

What can we do about it?  I don't know.  Unless continuing to shout will help.

[greatguns]

I'll voe in the general election, but the whole election thing is a joke.  Even the local is a joke.  Now that gas is up some ignorant elected official  decided I must make a 50 mile round trip to cast my vote.  Mail in ballots would be okay if they recieved them in the US mail in time for them to count.  Didn't happen at the last election.  Kinda like a few people deciding who our sherrif would be before the election.

[frawin]

Florida and Michigan did not play by the agreed to rules established by the Democratic party. The people in those states need to put new people in as their state committee members. If you don't play by the rules you gety penalized. Their vote shouldn't count at all. They were well aware of the rules and the penalty when they held their primary before the agreed to dates.
Frank

[pam]

Yes you're right Frank but two wrongs DON"T make it right Givin Obama votes he DIDN"T get is a wrong ,period If they are gonna count em count em the way they were cast.

[sixdogsmom]

That was why they had that all day DNC meeting yesterday. They wanted to please everybody which is impossible. Had the original rules been followed NONE of the votes would have counted. The DNC voted to make the concessions, and HIllary came out better than she would have should the votes not been counted at all. Had the Obama campaign known that the votes in an illegal primary were to be counted, he would have been on the ballot, and would have campaigned in both Michigan and Florida. Personally, I think Florida should be drummed out of the union; they cannot get it right even after the fiasco with the Bush/Gore contest. I expect that the DNC will have a pretty stringent set of rules next time.

[pam]

Y'know you all are MISSIN THE POINT!. The point is if you are gonna count the votes COUNT THEM THE WAY THE VOTERS CAST THEM!!!!! I don't care how Hillary came out, I care that votes were given to a person who DIDN"T get them! He took his own name off the ballot of his OWN accord, nobody else. It's his own fault he didn't get any votes, nobody elses. Either count em the way they were cast or don't count em at all. The reason they can't get it right is because the friggin voters won't cooperate, they insist on votin for who THEY want instead of who the party big wigs want.

[sixdogsmom]

I am not missing the point! I know that you are unhappy that Obama has received ballots that were not due him. So did Hillary; the contest was invalid. It did not follow democratic rules. I agree, they should not have counted the votes for either state. Donna Brazile had it right when she said that her mama had taught her that when you played with rules and broke those rules, that's cheating. However to try and please the voters, the DNC made the concessions agreed upon by the majority of the 30 members. The Michigan resolution was proposed by the Michigan representation. So we all have had to make concessions so the election can continue. By the way, I think there would not be any difference made even if Obama had not received those votes; he still has the majority of delegates.

[pam]

I don't care how many delegates Obama or Hillary either one have, cheatin one way doesn't justify cheatin another way and givin Obama votes he didn't get is cheatin. Hillary GOT the votes whether or not the party officials screwed the voters by holdin the election too early. That's a given. Givin some of them to another candidate as a "compromise" is just as big a crock!Cheatin as a compromise is STILL cheatin I don't friggin care who gets the nomination, cause they are both useless as far as I'm concerned. I'm concerned with fair and honest and this deal is neither one

[flo]

a lot of this could be avoided if they would do away with these "delegates" and let the popular vote elect our politians.  Won't happen, but it would be a solution.  If popular votes counted, then Kansas could have a say in who is elected.  As it is, we're wasting gas, ink and money by voting.  I'll vote tho, regardless.