Barack Hussein Obama -- Muslim apostate?... or just 'Little Black Sambo'

[Teresa]

I understand how you feel Frank.

And I am going to make some pretty harsh comments on this one last time and then I will be done with this thread..
If it makes some mad.. well......sorry. 
Just like my mama always told me.. If you get mad in those pants, you'll get glad in the same ones or you will stay mad.. 

First, I'm actually very calm and my voice is in normal tones.. I am not directly attacking anyone on this forum OR their viewpoints..
I am simply stating what I want to say.
Is it blunt? yes..
Is it direct? yes.
Is it what everyone thinks? No, Probably not... but.. it is what I think.. Nothing more, nothing less.
Since this is talking about racial issues.. I will address the black vs white issue as other races are not the issue at hand right now.

I think that the black community as a whole, have more (under the covers and open ) racial issue's with the white community's than the white community's have with the black's. .. and maybe it's equal.( I don't have the answer here.. .it is just what I think).
but I feel if you are black, you can say any thing in any way you want to ..without fear of reproach or lawsuits or someone screaming discrimination...

You can't walk down the street, drive down the road, or go to a bar or club, without hearing this trash they call rap... no wait... they changed the name, hip hop,    full of racial slurs, horrible statements of killing your Mother, Father, sister, or even a cop, and they are allowed to get away with it!

If one person that was not Black, wrote a song that had all these racial slurs in it, they would be in court being sued, and attacked by the likes of Jessee Jackson, and other misguided hypocrites, including the media and society, for their racism! It is time the irresponsible ones in the black community, and any others, that keep purposely pushing the abusive verbiage into the public's face and ears, be held accountable for what they are doing that is EXACTLY the same as what they Yell Racism about so Loudly, when someone that is Not Black does the same thing as they do. The problem is, society is afraid to address the black community for their irresponsible actions, and abuse and racism, for fear they are going to call racism on them in return for addressing them for it!

We've all heard Wright ...Obama's long time mentor and preacher, say hideous things such as AIDS is a white invention designed to kill black people, and for that and that alone he is forever branded a bigoted idiot.
Plus the whole lot of horrible things that were said in a place of worship ..(How sad God must be)

But what is shocking most people is the dawning that such hate mongering is typical of MANY black churches, and to Conservative people the question is why hasn't the media said anything about it before now.
Obama has even said that it is common practice for the black churches to use this kind of hatred in their church messages, racism against whites and hatred of America! He admitted that it is "Just the way it goes in a black church service" ...WHAT!??
The Reverend, Priest, or otherwise would be held on charges of Racism if this happened in a predominantly white church! A white person will be charged with Inciting Racial Hatred

False charge after false charge is levied upon a white men whenever a black woman or an Al Sharpton type wants attention, and the Yellowstream Media is more than happy to help in forming a lynch mob, but let a Presidential candidate sit in a pew and nod at incoherent ramblings from a scumdog racist and the news teams circle the wagons around him for protection.

Obama knows full well that he's out of the woods as long as his speech writers come up with something halfway decent and the teleprompter remains in working order, and so does the fawning Yellowstream Media. Hence the free publicity so he can wag on about how there IS racism in America, but he's just the man to eradicate it once and for all.

I wouldn't put it past HIS people for getting this particular skeleton out of the closet so they may then go on the offensive against Skankles and with both barrels. Because make no mistake about it, Obama is nothing but a figurehead ..being told every single word to say and when to say it and how to say it....being led around by some big-money big shots who are doing a damned good job of making him the next President. Left to his own devices he hems with intent to haw,  thus the perfect dummy to prop up for the big show.


I'm sorry Lord.. You took your hand off my shoulder and left the other one off my mouth.

[sixdogsmom]

Teresa, I am so sorry that you feel this way. I thought that you were a free thinker, I have sat in a pew in more than one church right here in Elk county and heard things that made me absolutely cringe. I have heard that the Christmas Tsunami was a judgement of God against a non christian nation. I have heard that a hurricane in New Orleans was a judgement of God on an unholy city. I have heard that all people who practice homosexuality are doomed to hell. Yet when Greensburg Kansas was blown away the pulpit was strangely silent since this is right wing good republican territory. Just send money and all new items for the people. I am not speaking about a single preacher here, but multiple preachers and pulpits. This shows the love and tolerence in a most bigoted way. And this seems to be the way of most fundamentalist churches I have visited here. Where is Christs' love?

I don't care for rap music and it is right here in Elk county that I hear it most; played by the youngsters of the good right wing republican people. Its' just music, much like the music I grew up with. That was condemned also as being 'of the devil'. Wasn't jazz and swing accepted the same way by the older generation. No, I don't like the lyrics either, and I understand that the industry is trying to clean up its' act. By the way, one of the more popular rap artists is white.

I have accused someone of racism one time on this forum and it is about the title of this thread. I still say it was racist and should have been removed by the writer or administrator, as it is not in the spirit of this forum (I hope).

BTW, I do not think Senator Obama has ever said that a bigoted message was just a way in black church services. I think what he said was that people clap and holler and stomp and shout out loud. You have mis-spoken about that. And I dare say that many more black men have been wrongfully accused of crimes and punished for those crimes than any white person accused of crime on a black man. This is just hog wash, and someting thrown in to make somebody mad. Just silly stuff.

[Teresa]

I don't like organized religion.( for many reasons.. that being the main one) that is why my church is "Gods open spaces..I privately and quietly  do my spiritual work with God under his sky. ( But to each their own)

Free thinker? Oh I think I am.
If you mean "free thinking" in the sense of the liberal ways and ideas that you have.. then no, I guess in your viewpoint, I am not. 
but by anyone who knows me in real life.. I am very much a strong free thinker...and speaker.

And I'm sorry.. Foul lyrics rap music is NOT like any music that has ever been played for any generation in the past. Don't compare it to any..because there is no comparison.. and I don't care if a black person or a white person spews out the filth.. it is NOT music. 

Now.. this is just a very small example on Obamas flip floping.( And there are many )

Obama Praised Wright, Criticized Traditional Black Churches on Homosexuality
By Penny Starr
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
May 29, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - In an Apr. 10 interview with The Advocate magazine, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said "homophobic" messages are coming from the pulpits of black churches because "most African-American churches are still fairly traditional in their interpretations of Scripture." In the same interview, Obama praised the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor and long-time spiritual adviser, for being on the right side of the homosexual debate.

"There's plenty of homophobia to go around, but you have a unique perspective into the African-American community," Kerry Eleveld, news editor of The Advocate , a homosexual publication, said to Obama, during the interview.

"I don't think it's worse than in the white community," Obama replied. "I think that the difference has to do with the fact that the African-American community is more churched and most African-American churches are still fairly traditional in their interpretations of Scripture.

"And so from the pulpit or in sermons you still hear homophobic attitudes expressed," said Obama. "And since African-American ministers are often the most prominent figures in the African-American community, those attitudes get magnified or amplified a little bit more than in other communities."

A moment later in the interview, Obama volunteered that his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, was "very good on gay and lesbian issues."

"I mean, ironically, my biggest ... the biggest political news surrounding me over the last three weeks has been Reverend Wright, who offended a whole huge constituency with some of his statements but has been very good on gay and lesbian issues," Obama said. "I mean he's one of the leaders in the African-American community of embracing, speaking out against homophobia, and talking about the importance of AIDS.


Then..........................at another time....

Barack Obama Press Avail

Aberdeen, South Dakota

May 31, 2008

Q: On the church decision do you feel this will put the issue behind you politically or do you feel it will persist and having done this now, do you wish you had done it several months ago?

BO: Well, you know, after the National Press Club episode, as I said, I had a long conversation with Michelle and also had a long conversation with Reverend Moss. We prayed on it and you know, my interest has never been to try to politicize this or put the church in a position where is subject to the same rigors and demands of a presidential campaign. My suspicion at that time, and Michelle, I think, shared this concern, was that it was going to be very difficult to continue our membership there so long as I was running for president. The recent episode with Father Pfleger I think just reinforced that view that we don't want to have to answer for everything that's stated in a church. On the other hand, we also don't want a church subjected to the scrutiny that a presidential campaign legitimately undergoes. I mean, that's ... I don't want Reverend Moss to have to look over his shoulder and see that his sermon vets or if it's potentially problematic for my campaign or will attract the fury of a cable program. And so, I have no idea how it will impact my presidential campaign. But I know it's the right thing to do for the church and for our family.

Q: How will that not be different when you join another church?

BO: Well, it raises an interesting question. And you know, I haven't answered this — I haven't figured out exactly how this is managed. Obviously I think in whatever church you join there's going to be things the pastor says or a guest pastor says that you don't agree with. Not all of them may be as offensive as some of the statements that my former pastor made which I thoroughly rejected, but you know, it's not infrequent for example if you go into a church and a comment is made that suggests for example an aversion to gays and lesbians. That is something that I do not believe in and if I heard that from the pulpit, I would strongly object to it. That is an extreme example but there might be other examples of somebody who has a view on foreign policy or a view on domestic policy with which I disagree with. My hope would be I am going to be able to create some separation between the experience I have as a church member and what is being preached from the pulpit. But I recognize that when you are a presidential candidate you are in a different circumstance. It is something I think that Michelle and I are going to have to sort through.


Can't have it both ways Barack......

[sixdogsmom]

I am always a tad suspicious of a news service that asks for donations.?

That always tells me there is an agenda involved, not free thinking at all.

Sorry, I do not accept your source.

[Wilma]

Maybe someone can answer this.  Why is hate preached in church when the subject should be love?  Why is a church involved in politics?  Their realm is religion or lack of same.  In my OPINION, no church should tell it's members how to vote or how to think about political candidates.

I do think that Obama is just a tool with which some prominent politicians hope to rule the White House.  Look at how the Kennedy's lined up behind him almost before he started campaigning.  If you think that McCain will be another Bush, then expect Obama to be a Kennedy puppet.

I am like Teresa.  I live my faith whether I am in church or out.  And my faith doesn't allow for hate, expressed or thought.   

[frawin]

Wilma, as usual you make good commom sense and exhibit good values. The reason the Kennedys and, Joe Biden and others lined up for Obama is because Obama is so far left and LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL.
Frank

[sixdogsmom]

Being a liberal is not a sin, it is a way of thinking. The far right would have everyone in a sweat shop and then charge them for a drink of water if it were not for liberals. It takes all kinds to make this a great country. If I as a democrat am not welcome here, just tell me. I do not have to post here, it makes no difference to me. I really think the exchange of ideas is a good thing, but it seems the far right is not at all interested in anything but their agenda, How many many posts have been debunked that were from the far right. I have visited many of the web sites that these postings have come from; many are thinly veiled hate groups. I would no more think of posting anything from a group like that than I would dance nude on Molines' main street. I seldom post anything imported, but rely on what I know in my own mind. I try to be honest and fair. Yes Senator Obama is a liberal. He is a very intelligent man with a fabulous education. He could be a great president in this new century. I cringe when I hear Senator McCain say things like $4.00 a gallon oil, and not even stutter. Lets' face it, he is just a little late in his bid for the presidency. He is behind the times, and obviously quite lazy. He would not even learn to operate a computer, and I tell you he is not that much older than me. But he cannot be bothered to learn how, or maybe he can no longer learn. I don't know. But I do know this, we will be in for a sad sad future if he is elected.

And I do agree with you Wilma, hate should not ever come from the pulpit, it makes me sick.

[Bonnie M.]

I have never attended a Church where hate was preached from the Pulpit, or Politics, for that matter.  I guess I've been lucky!  And, as I said before, "I won't argue politics or religion," as we will have so many different points of view, you'll not change my mind, I won't chage yours, so, let's just remain friends, and be thankful for all of the good things that we have in our lives.

[Teresa]

SDM... see new thread on my response to you. 

[Wilma]

Bonnie, would you care to say what church you attend?  When you said that you have never heard hate in a church, you reminded me that I haven't either.  But I have only attended 2 kinds of churches in my life,  Baptist while I was growing up, Methodist as an adult and which I belong to now.  My second choice here would be Assembly of God.  Some of the dearest people that I know in this community (including Pastor Robin) belong to the Flinthills Assembly.  And I can't imagine any one of them talking hate.

What I have been reading that is happening in churches far from here should not be a part of a church service.  A true Christian does not feel or express hate.  They dislike a lot of things, but that should not include your fellow man.  Dislike the action, but love the person.

Now I am going to ramble because the following does not have anything to do with the thread.  I have known two honest to goodness Christians in my lifetime.  Well, really more than that, but these two stand out in my mind and are a reminder to me every day.  We lived beside them during most of my growing up years.  I never heard anything but love and tolerance from them and they had plenty of reason to be put out by the hoyden that lived next door.  You couldn't point out any one thing that made them stand out as Christians.  It was just there in every action.  You can probably tell that I wish I were more like this elderly couple was.  Enough of this now.  Back to the controversy so we can all have a good free for all.