IT'S THE LAW!!!

[Bonnie M.]

San Diego County is being heard from!  It's hard for me to read the postings, and not put in my 2¢ worth.  I have a lot of really good friends, who are "Hispanic."  We respect and truly do "like" each other.  So, it's not the "Hispanic" we're opposed to, or the Vietnamese, or Chinese, etc., etc.  It's just that, "there's a line to get in," and I (we) truly do encourage all wishing to "come to American" to get in that line, and wait your turn, and do it the legal way, like all of those good people did who got here ahead of you.   We know that the world is becoming overpopulated and more people are going into poverty and starvation every year. And, as stated before, "who wouldn't want to come to America, and live, what "they" perceive to be "the good life!"  But, how many of these people can America support? 10 million? 100 million? 1 billion? Draw the line where you want to,  the point is that just because we have compassion for the poor does not mean we can save everybody from poverty by bringing them to our country.   Compassion is a wonderful thing, we have a lot of compassion for those less fortunate than we are, but compassion isn't enough to pay the millions/billions of dollars that we, in the "border states" are paying for the health care and education of those people who are coming into our country illegally, and actually, receiving benefits that the "poor American" isn't entitled to.  So, now I feel better!  I'll come down off of my soap box!

[Janet Harrington]

Well said, Bonnie M.

[kdfrawg]

It's not just the border states that are feeling the pinch. Kansas city now has a very sizeable Hispanic community, as does Lawrence. Heck, take a look at Garden City. I am feeling the extra costs of illegal immigration as much as the next person. Bonnie asks an important question: where do we draw the line?

I don't think that we can draw the line in the past. It is just not going to work to round people up and sen them back to Mexico, or wherever else they are illegally here from. That looks a little too much like the Gestapo. The problem is that we have just been talking big, but doing very little, about illegal immigration for many years. If we put our minds, and our wills, to the task we could put a stop to illegal immigration by the end of the year. Maybe we could bring troops home from Iraq to see that it happens. But as long as we are willing to allow our politicians to make laws that they will not enforce, the problem will grow.

If we want it stopped, we need to send a clear message and not take "No" for an answer just because Washington is too weak to make it happen. But it's too late, in my opinion, to stem the tide of the past.

[Jo McDonald]

My friends. Bonnie and Frank. are "Where it IS REALLY happening --- we here in the Middle of America - know only a smattering of what the border states are having to put up with ---- It is time for our leaders to do something, besides nip at one anothers back sides and keep their hands in their pockets to count the loot that they have harvested for their own cash crop.  Even with all of the talking of each American --- I don't understand how we are going to get our elected officials to listen and respond.  We are told to write - talk - e mail our representives -- and we do that, but do they take any actions on our behalf??  I don't seem to see the results anywhere.

[kdfrawg]

You are 100% correct about the lack of action, Jo. I am sure we could have managed to stop the influx, or at least slow it to a trickle, if we had taken concerted action when it started being a big problem. As for politicians, we need some new ones. I don't much care what party they work for; I just want them to pay attention to us and not the lobbyists, and others with money to grease their palms.

How do you folks feel about the illegals that are already here?

[Teresa]

Do you realize the word that is continually being said?

ILLEGAL!

Hello??? Last time I checked. it meant that illegal meant "not legal!
If they can not prove citizenship.. ship them back to where they came from..
Sorry! Hard assed is what I am on this subject!

I'm sorry that they live where they live, but it's NOT our job as Americans to breast feed ILLEGALS!
We have enough to nurse with our lax and over scammed welfare system that is being abused every single minute.

And the only reason we don't have illegal Vietnamese, or Chinese people coming here is the fact that they can't
swim across the ocean.!
I'm not saying anything about anyone not being nice people.. or good people. THAT has nothing to do with it!

The fact is... as soon as they step on U.S. soil.. they get free housing, free food, free medical... plus the freedom to abuse our countries rules, thumb their nose at our flag and our customs, and can't or won't speak the language!.
Some will crawl across the line and pop out a baby on the grass ..so we get the privilege to pay for the care etc. of the child too.
Again.. I have a soft heart.. but enough is enough!

And come on.. use your heads!
It isn't rocket science to know that we are going to bury ourselves economically and space wise if we keep giving every single person from Mexico with a bundle of clothes on their backs free 'everything'.

To all the liberal bleeding hearts wanting to "save the world.. answer me this?
How long can we make the hard working citizens of America pay for the millions that are here ILLEGALLY?!?

In this country, let ME do something ILLEGAL.. and see what happens. Let ME try to get a phony SS card and and work... or get arrested for rape charges, assault charges.. be pulled over for drunk driving and have 10 DUI's, all on phony drivers licenses...driving a vehicle without insurance.!  We all know what would happen to me..
But let me be an ILLEGAL.. and my hands are slapped and I am led quietly out the back door, so no one has to do the dirty work of shipping me back to my own country.
And God help me if I..being an American.. did all of that in another country! They would pipe me sunshine..IF I was lucky! 

And do not give me that song and dance about.. "They will work at jobs that no one else wants, and they pay taxes on that money.
   "Well excuuuuse me for not just jumping up and down for grateful  joy on that one.

They pay taxes?   Uhhhhhhhh....HOW?    They are illegals..!?!
They have no citizenship papers or legal papers..and even IF they did... ??
Supposedly they get so small of wages that... the last time I did taxes, they were exempt from paying because of the poverty class.. and even if they DID pay anything....
Ahuuummm lets see.. How does that add up?
Since they are NOT here legally.. and they have broken the law and we are rewarding them for doing it..
They get free medicine, and free clothes and free food and free housing..
  So does the dab that they pay offset all that? I don't think so ...................

The crime rate is getting worse and check out what percentage is illegals ! Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics . If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Illegal..against the law.. breaking the law.. not legal.

Solution?

Take for instance Elvira Arellano..
Not only was Elvira a defiant and repeat lawbreaker, but she is an egotistical grandstander who shamefully
exploits her 7-year old son Saul, using the family unification argument.
Saul, who was born an anchor baby and  can't be deported, is now 7 years old.
My question is.... if these "activists" ( and that is a kind word for them)  are really so concerned about Saul,
why don't they finance a one-way trip for him to go to Mexico? That way Saul can be with his mother all the time.
I mean.... if that's really what they want!
But they won't do that.. ...My  guess is their real goal is not to unite the mother and son,
but it is to score another victory for illegal immigration.
And get this little tidbit!
The Comisión Permanente also called on the Mexican foreign ministry to help Saul and for the Institute of Mexicans Abroad to pay for a scholarship so he can study in Chicago.
(How about a scholarship for him to study in Mexico? It's cheaper, and there are good private schools there).

And since the Mexican government is claiming jurisdiction over Saul, wouldn't that......
according to the 14th Amendment's "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"......,
make him a citizen of Mexico, and not of the United States?

One thing  for certain emerged from the recent bleeding heart circus surrounding this female illegal alien, Elvira Arellano...
deporting aliens is as easy as 1,2,3.
The next time you hear any government official say how impossible immigration enforcement is, remember this simple formula:
1.....go to where you know aliens are;
2..... arrest them;
3..... deport them.

Don't bother asking where aliens hang out. The better question is where aren't they hanging out.

Go to a bus stop, a taco truck, a convenience store, the post office or an auto repair shop.
No need to round them all up at once. Just arrest one or two every day at different locations around town
and the message will soon get out loud and clear.
Little by little, the word will be on the streets both here and in Mexico that the U.S.
is seriously cracking down on illegal immigration, instead of wimping out,
whining and wringing their hands and letting more in.

What would also help is if aliens were sent further away than Tijuana which is, after all, within walking distance of San Diego!!


I am totally through and will now shut up.
If I had to take blood pressure medicine I would go right in and swallow an extra one...
I am not mad at anyone on this forum ..
I think everyone has and is entitled to their own opinion, regardless if it makes any sense or if it doesn't.
It's just that I have no patience or tolerance for this.

Have a nice evening~~~

[MarineMom]

As
someone who jumped through all the hoops INS held out,
someone who filled out all the paperwork-enough to write a book about myself and my family,
someone who went through all the criminal and medical background checks to make sure I was neither insane or a criminal or had any communicable(sp) diseases
someone who waited in line for 2 years for the right to join my husband in the USA.
Someone who lived here the required length of time and then jumped through another set of hoops, background checks, paperwork, intelligence tests and another 2 year wait to become a citizen.
I have to agree with Teresa and Bonnie--come here legally or stay home

[DanCookson]

Obviously a topic that spurs much emotion.  Anything that deals with moral issues usually does.  Often the legal, while unsympathetic, solutions create the most emotion. 

For example....Nobody wants to turn away a starving individual.  It just doesn't seem right.  However, in a context in which providing for that starving individual will cause you to starve, then it becomes more clear.

I think everyone understands why the aliens want to come here.  There is more opportunity here than where they live.  There are excellent social programs that exist here.  They want a better life for themselves and their families.  All this we have heard, over and over and over.  Guess what......So do I, but I am not going to rob a bank or go mug Bill Gates to get it.  In other words, I am not going to break the law because I feel justified in getting a better opportunity.



This was sent to me in 2005 and I have ran it through snopes and it did happen.  At the time I first read it I thought it was insightful, but kind of "out there".  Now I think it is past insightful and just plain scary.  It is a bit long, but PLEASE take the time to read it and actually give it some thought.


Every American should read this and think!

Subject: How To Destroy America


"We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context
his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an
immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to
capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant
college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his
latest book, Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and
illegal - was destroying the entire state of California. He said it
would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The
American Dream

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and
gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat
spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the
United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too
self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that
hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time
Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
suicide.'"

Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

"First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or
multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation
can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more
competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual
to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.
Thehistorical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories
of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are
histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium,
Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which
minorities press for autonomy, if not. independence. Pakistan and
Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France
faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.".

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism'
and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an
article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no
cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the
Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and
discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of
bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without
much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As
Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent
success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have
been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance
that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an
American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us
together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their
own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor
with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have
various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their
differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated,
undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this
second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school".

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations
and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in
ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I
would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the
fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all
minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship,
and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity.
I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people
worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they
are not killing each other. A. diverse, peaceful, or stable society is
against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it
takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The
Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a
common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All
Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia,
threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough
to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions
that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" --
From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on
the 'pluribus'. instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as
surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to
talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a
word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped
discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe'
halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural
country, having established multi-culturism, having the large
foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it
impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra:
That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be
good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the
cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor
Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It
exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America. deserves to
be destroyed, don't read that book.".

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous
cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that
room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically,
quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today.
Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the
foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness.
Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing
as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the
Third World as corporations create a Third World in. America - take
note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal
aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book
"1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of
Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance
is strength.".

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American
Dream."

[Roma Jean Turner]

In the last year I have watched two people going through all the hoops, as Bonnie says, to get their future spouses into this country.  Now these are highly educated, stable people with a great track record.

The Acrobats of China, a wonderful show in Branson, has to run two different groups of performers because they cannot stay in the country long enough to do a full season with one troupe.  This to me is just insane.  These young people are disciplined, chaperoned and perfroming once or twice a day, but no they can't be trusted to be here a full season.

If we are supposed to provide everything for the poor south of the border, then I'm for invading it, kicking out their
corrupt politicians and turning it into a prosperous Capitalistic society that provides for itself.  Then they all can happily
stay home.  There......someone has said it out loud!!!

[Bonnie M.]

Teresa, I think you "said it all!"   I received this in an e-mail yesterday:

"I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed.

Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food.

But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue.

Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the table...everywhere.

Then some of the birds turned mean:  They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket.

And others birds were boisterous and loud:   They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore.

I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone.

I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio.

Soon, the back yard was like it used to be ...... quiet, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now let's see ....... our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.
Then the illegal's came by the tens of thousands.
Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services;
small apartments are housing 5 families:
you have to wait  6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor:
your child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English:
Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box;
I have to press "one" to hear my bank talk to me in English,
People waving flags other than "Old Glory" are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

Maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder."