Obama Signs Executive Order Banning The Pledge Of Allegiance In Schools Nationwi

[Ross]

Obama Signs Executive Order
Banning
The Pledge Of Allegiance
In Schools Nationwide

President Obama, seen here signing an Executive Order today which bans the Pledge of Allegiance in all public schools around the country. (AP Photo / Dennis System)

WASHINGTON, D.C. (AP) — Early this morning, President Obama made what could very well prove to be the most controversial move of his presidency with the signing of Executive Order 13738, which revokes the federal government's official recognition of the Pledge of Allegiance. Under the new order, it is now illegal for any federally funded agency to display the pledge or for any federal employee to recite, or encourage others to recite, the pledge while on duty. This law also applies to federal contractors and other institutions that receive federal funding such as public schools. Individuals who violate this order can face fines of up to $10,000 and up to one year in federal prison.

During the press conference, the President explained his decision was based on a personal belief that the language used in the pledge is "divisive" and "contrary to America's deepest held values."

Go read the article at http://abcnews.com.co/obama-executive-order-bans-pledge-of-allegiance-in-schools/

I have skipped over a bunch of the article.

Obuma said, "I am willing to rescind my decision here today and allow the Pledge of Allegiance back into the schools if we can all agree on the creation of a new Pledge, something that is includes everyone's beliefs and not just the belief of one nationality or faith."


Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton has already offered her support of president Obama's decree and has vowed to uphold the order if she wins in November's general election. She echoed his concerns about the pledge's language and suggested that the pledge's mention of God sends the wrong message to America's children.


Read more at: http://abcnews.com.co/obama-executive-order-bans-pledge-of-allegiance-in-schools/

[Mom70x7]

Just another lie:
http://www.snopes.com/pledge-of-allegiance-ban/

http://www.inquisitr.com/3432643/is-barack-obama-banning-the-pledge-of-allegiance-viral-story-claims-the-president-is-forbidding-schools-government-buildings-from-saying-the-pledge/

http://hoax.trendolizer.com/2016/08/false-obama-signs-executive-order-banning-the-pledge-of-allegiance-in-schools-nationwide.html

[Ross]

Thanks Mom70x7.

They got me.

I just went back and checked the web site link. I goofed because the link said
http://abcnews.com.co/obama-executive-order-bans-pledge-of-allegiance-in-schools/

abcnews.com and I did not see the .co untill just now.

Thanks again.

[Mom70x7]

Happens to pretty much everyone at one time or another. 

[redcliffsw]

Yes it does.  Why be surprised much at anything Obama or the Republicans and Hillary do?

To many of us, the Pledge of Allegiance is an early memory of indoctrination in government schools.  A socialist wrote the thing and that alone ought to stir folks thinking to research the matter. 

It's not that difficult to see the misguided tradition for the Pledge of Allegiance.  It's either we understand it for what it is or we continue to honor the socialist ways.

[Ross]

Yes it does.  Why be surprised much at anything Obama or the Republicans and Hillary do?

To many of us, the Pledge of Allegiance is an early memory of indoctrination in government schools.  A socialist wrote the thing and that alone ought to stir folks thinking to research the matter. 

It's not that difficult to see the misguided tradition for the Pledge of Allegiance.  It's either we understand it for what it is or we continue to honor the socialist ways.

Red I understand how you feel about Socialism, i feel the same way.
And in today's world I agree it's difficult to tell the difference between s Democrat and a Republican.
I don't consider myself as either one.
I do however consider myself as a conservative, not a liberal or a socialist.

I understand how you feel about the POA, I don't feel the same way, and in today's present  atmosphere of  destroying everything American including the Star Spangled Banner, we need to stop any changes that are aimed at that agenda.

I grew up in Independence and I saw changes happen in that town in the '60'd that I did not like and swore when I left there i would never return and I have not returned to Indy. I ran from Independence as a teenager and entered the military. I ran because i did not have a clue of how to deal with the changes.

I recently posted a you tube link showing Independence as one of the top ten worst places to live in Kansas.
That in my opinion is a very sad thing. link again:


It is almost like our country is heading for the very same fate. So I am opposed to anything to hasten that. Right now I think we need patriotism to pull; our country back together. I think then and only then some changes might be necessary, but slow and well thought out changes.

Change can be a good thing, but quick and too many changes at one time can be very bad. As proven by Obama.

[Wake-up!]

Ross-
I would like to know what changes you saw in Indy in the 60's that made you 'flee'. The changes I saw in the 60's in the midwest were the antiwar movement and the civil rights movement. Both of those proved to be a net benefit for all Americans, IMO. And we saw the State resist those changes for many years, before they altered the dialog.

I agree that some harsh changes are coming to this country, regardless of the next election. However, I tend to agree with Red that a ridiculous Pledge of 'unity and one nation' (under God, or not) can and should be abandoned as a mandatory ceremony (even though the article is apparently a hoax).

I'm actually excited about Hillary's impeding victory and ascension. In my opinion, her Presidency will be the quickest path to end socialism for many of us. Central control in China under Mao had devastating effects; and it was nearly as severe in the old Soviet block. Those of us with open eyes are seeing the same effects in this country. Her election will open more eyes. We will see a large increase in the number of States and State Representatives talking about secession. We may actually see Texas vote itself out of the US. We will see a huge increase in individuals pursuing personal secession by just simply dropping off the grid and engaging in self rule. Secession will bring an opportunity to end socialism for most of us. I say most because I have little doubt most of the New England and eastern seaboard population will try to maintain it, believing falsely a world can exist on entitlements.

Human nature being what it is, a Phoenix always arises from the ashes, never before the fire. When that time came for the Soviet block, the Communists voted themselves out of power with the stroke of a pen, after referendums months earlier. Not a shot was fired and the Soviet Union became 13 (?) independent republics. May we be so lucky when 'our' time comes. And it will. And that will be a beautiful thing for freedom.

What would be most 'fun' this election cycle would see the GOP dump Trump, run to little Mittens as the Republican savior, and have Trump run independently. Then, if we could get Hillary, Trump, Mitt, Johnson, a Constitutional Party candidate, a Green candidate, and an American Commie Party candidate on a stage together for a series of debates . . . well, wouldn't that be a three-ring circus?!? And what would post-debate polls look like? Too bad we will never know.

[Ross]

Ross-
I would like to know what changes you saw in Indy in the 60's that made you 'flee'. The changes I saw in the 60's in the midwest were the antiwar movement and the civil rights movement. Both of those proved to be a net benefit for all Americans, IMO. And we saw the State resist those changes for many years, before they altered the dialog.

I can't really explain what happened to cause attitudes among citizens to become intolerable.
It took place before all the protesting as I remember. I was long gone when the protesting started.
Perhaps it was the birth of the NGO's wanting what they wanted and to hell with everyone else.
Much like today and the raising of the historic stadium in independence. But it was attitude that made me decide not to return. Things seemed to change in the early '60's. That was long ago. I never did understand racism! People are people.

I agree that some harsh changes are coming to this country, regardless of the next election. However, I tend to agree with Red that a ridiculous Pledge of 'unity and one nation' (under God, or not) can and should be abandoned as a mandatory ceremony (even though the article is apparently a hoax).

I don't believe there are any laws that make saying the POL mandatory. If there is please show them to us.
There are no laws that say you have to Salute the Flag or even respect the Flag or sing the National Anthem.
With the exception of being in the military. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I'm actually excited about Hillary's impeding victory and ascension. In my opinion, her Presidency will be the quickest path to end socialism for many of us. Central control in China under Mao had devastating effects; and it was nearly as severe in the old Soviet block. Those of us with open eyes are seeing the same effects in this country. Her election will open more eyes. We will see a large increase in the number of States and State Representatives talking about secession. We may actually see Texas vote itself out of the US. We will see a huge increase in individuals pursuing personal secession by just simply dropping off the grid and engaging in self rule. Secession will bring an opportunity to end socialism for most of us. I say most because I have little doubt most of the New England and eastern seaboard population will try to maintain it, believing falsely a world can exist on entitlements.

I wish we could find someone of character, of ethics, of honesty to vote for, for President. That's all I can say on this subject. Like most people for most Presidential elections, I feel forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. That is a sad fact.

Human nature being what it is, a Phoenix always arises from the ashes, never before the fire. When that time came for the Soviet block, the Communists voted themselves out of power with the stroke of a pen, after referendums months earlier. Not a shot was fired and the Soviet Union became 13 (?) independent republics. May we be so lucky when 'our' time comes. And it will. And that will be a beautiful thing for freedom.

I think this is wishful thinking and I am not finding fault with wishful thinking. But we have the New World Order in my opinion to worry about if things fall apart. We would be at our most vulnerable and they might be able to swoop in and take control. Then it would be all out war here on our soil.

What would be most 'fun' this election cycle would see the GOP dump Trump, run to little Mittens as the Republican savior, and have Trump run independently. Then, if we could get Hillary, Trump, Mitt, Johnson, a Constitutional Party candidate, a Green candidate, and an American Commie Party candidate on a stage together for a series of debates . . . well, wouldn't that be a three-ring circus?!? And what would post-debate polls look like? Too bad we will never know.

No comment!

You were a bit difficult to follow on your post, but I think, I figured out where you were going, and I understand and like it.

[Wake-up!]

No, I can't share any such laws with you. But words on paper aren't really necessary to make something mandatory. It is more about attitudes (possibly similar to the ones that prompted your escape from Independence). When I was in third grade an old spinster teacher used an 18-inch wooden ruler to to compel her 'children' to stand and pledge. After several 'hits', I stood and pledged. I'm reasonably sure that such antics don't occur in public schools much anymore. But I bet school administrators have found other ways.

It isn't always about my choice to stand and pledge or sing either. Even if I do not, I still have to hear it. That is mandatory, and I do not know why. Is it a law that every professional football and baseball game will play the anthem, or the Star Spangled Banner? They do it without missing a beat. Misguided patriotic malarky, in my opinion. I have occasionally attended games of both sports in the Pacific Northwest. I have had the following happen: 1) while seated during the anthem, I've been jerked up from behind by some redneck; 2) I've had beer spilled over my head by an equally red neck; and 3) I've been escorted out of the stadium by 'security' for sitting, talking to friends, and drinking beer during the anthem, forfeiting my $150 seat (the seat had been a gratuity, so I wasn't out any dough). Laws are not needed when ignorance and coercion prevail.

Governance exists so the few can control the many, and extract their wealth, whether that governance is secular or religious; whether that governance is elected or the mafia. The governance that is the biggest, the baddest, the most corrupt, is the one that prevails over all the others. The central government of these States has prevailed over all others since WW1, maybe earlier. Washington DC is not fighting the NWO, it is the NWO. Or at least a significant part of it. When massive debt and uncontrollable masses bring down Washington DC, the NWO's size and power will diminish significantly. When it all falls apart, I do not think we will need to fear the NWO, but we may need to fear some of our regional neighbors who still want coercion, and control of the resources where we live. We may also need to fear the State-controlled police forces, even the local ones that have elected sheriffs who believe their military experience qualifies them for the job.

NGO's Thanks,

[redcliffsw]

There's no reason for reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.  Our Founders would never have went along with such thing.  It's for socialist (communist or nazi) countries.  We've become what we ought to be against.  It's no wonder Obama was elected and Republicans are about like him. 

We all learned the Pledge of Allegiance in government schools and with that indoctrination, it's hard to forget and leave that memory.  We thought it to be patriotism to recite such.  However, there's a time for learning and accepting truths of our country's founding and not looking back.

A retired military man sent a article about the Pledge a few weeks ago.  He's no Pledger like other military men that I know.  Perhaps  I'll start a thread on the Pledge one of these days.

Wake-up!, you're coming across pretty good.  I'm liking what you're saying.  Stay right in there.