“Deadliest Mass Shooting. . .”

[Diane Amberg]

Red, your needle is stuck again. Nut cases killing people, especially groups of people, no matter who they are, couldn't care less who is in the Government seat.
Just because you say something doesn't make it true either.  People's opinions are not always accurate.
If a person's individual liberty is being abused, let's look at who that person is. Gay, straight? Black, white, oriental?  Mixed? Mentally disabled or just spoiled because they don't get their way all the time?  Aren't labels great excuses?
It depends on which side of the issues you are looking at. With this Orlando mess, it is true that a great number of people, including those in the media, don't know a bean shooter from a machine gun. But that doesn't make their concerns and opinions invalid. Lack of knowledge  of details doesn't change what that Bozo did or why.
It turns out, now that the investigations are on going, he was a bad piece of work all along. But his individual rights protected him to the point of allowing him to continue down a terrible path until it was too late.
Ok...what do you want the Gov't to do about it?  Nothing? We become an armed society? That won't stop killers from killing. Anyone who thinks all shooting incidents are like the home owner stopping a burglar are sadly mistaken.
In many big cities, gang warfare is rampant. Innocent people are killed too. Is that acceptable just because it happens where you are not? You can try to put words in my mouth  and try to read my mind, but that won't make you remotely correct I believe in rights for ALL!  and that means compromise.
   Of course the President isn't going to take all your guns away. Why would he? But someone has to try to do something about the mass murder weapons that are so "fashionable" right now. I don't think either Presidential candidate has an easy fix. Trumpf has no interest in the Constitution or even military history as far as I can see.
Now see what your one inaccurate statement unleashed? I have a breakfast meeting to go to. Don't let your brain melt.

[upoladeb]

All the mass shootings are in gun free zones.How do you change that?

[redcliffsw]

[Diane Amberg]

Deb, I wish I knew. If I could figure that out, I'd have more money than the Donald!
One good start would be for the various agencies involved to stop being so closed door and communicate with each other more effectively. Concerned people have shared their worries about "strange" people only to have them pushed aside because agencies are so swamped.
There was one bad one years ago not far from here. A worried mother tried for years to get help for her daughter to the point of wanting her locked up because her mental state was dangerous. But,because the daughter had rights, nobody would touch it. She couldn't be made to take her meds. Finally, she dressed up as a soldier (Halloween) and walked into a big shopping mall in PA. with a military style weapon and opened fire on a bunch of shoppers. She killed and injured a number before she was finally stopped. I never did hear how she got the weapon. I remember seeing the tearful mother being interviewed on TV. She was terribly guilty on the one hand and spitting mad on the other because she had tried so hard to find a solution.

[redcliffsw]

Diane, you're against the principle of gun ownership in America and a lot of other American liberties too.

[redcliffsw]

[jarhead]

Quote from Diane :
What about the unstable PTSDs?

I would say there are many symptoms of having PTSD and most would not disqualify someone from owning a gun. Say for instance, that person  is a firefighter that found charred bodies of children in a house fire and has nightmares from it and given the diagnosis of PTSD---why should they be denied a right to own a gun ? I don't think they should----but what if that same firefighter got a thrill from seeing dead bodies and starts having homicidal thoughts and has an urge to become an arsonist just for the sake of creating more dead people or even think about shooting people to up the ante ---then by all means  they should not own a gun.
One of the many symptoms of suffering from PTSD is being "delusional "---you know---maybe someone who sits behind a computer and creates a fictitious life bragging about stuff they never did---should they be allowed to own a gun ?

[Diane Amberg]

Sorry Red, ya don't speak for me.
Jar, I hope you weren't using me as an example. I've never, ever written about anything I never did. It 's not my fault if you can't handle it. I don't know why my very existence bothers you. Around here I am not unique at all. I was in 1969, but I opened that door for women here long ago and it has been open ever since.
My fire company, as do most others, have debriefings and mandatory counseling for people who experience the kind of visual trauma you described. (They also have an in depth interview process and background check before they are accepted for probationary membership. Some don't make it as they don't seem  emotionally stable enough for the things we see and do.) 
Terrible events do happen.There is a whole list of events that would trigger counseling. Death of a fellow fire fighter on scene, death of a child, suicides and many others. The day of "If ya can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen" are long gone. Sadly, we had a couple of suicides years ago.
There are sometimes young ones who don't think they are getting enough action and do become arsonists. Usually empty buildings and such. They always get caught.
Except for our LEOs, we have a no gun policy in the stations. One yahoo was determined to wear his and showed off once too often and got kicked out. He also challenged the no gun rule at City Hall and got in big trouble over that too.
Personally, I think a PTSD diagnosis doesn't necessarily connect with guns either, it would depend on the person and the situation. A professional would have to decide that one. I know you had to have seen American Sniper. An example?
Try to have a nice day.

[redcliffsw]

Diane, you're toying with ideas to take Americans' guns.  You're thinking along the same lines as the old Soviets, not the founders of the Federal republic.

[Diane Amberg]

And you are full of it.You don't know me or anything much about me except what I share...and you don't believe that. Fortunately, I don't care.