Civil War reasoning

[Mom70x7]

 "Was the Civil War fought over slavery?": Here's the video to show idiots who think the answer is "No"
Col. Ty Seidule, head of the department of history at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point lowers the boom

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/11/was_the_civil_war_fought_over_slavery_heres_the_video_to_show_idiots_who_think_the_answer_is_no/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

[redcliffsw]

The man Seidule is entitled to his opinion.  However, there's nothing new there.  He's defending the Lincoln myth as promoted by the Republican party ever since the War For Southern Independence to end slavery as justification for their military action against the South, the Confederate States of America.  Slavery was part of the deal for the nations (states) to create the uSA and slavery was legal under the u. S. Constitution.  Like it or not, that's the way it was.  And Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, did not free the slaves in the north.  Of course, like many other facts, Seidule never mentioned it - he couldn't.   

Today, most Democrats have bought into the Republican myth and most Democrats are like the Republicans.  Try showing me some good ole Jeffersonian Democrats in leadership in this country.  The foundation of Republicanism is socialism.  Obama and the Republicans joined together to call for removal of Confederate flags and monuments.  (Republicans do not oppose Obama, they're like him).  Many of those Confederate monuments have been in place for many years - since reconciliation of north and South.  Republicans are not conservative, they've been against the Constitution since their inception and they're not getting any better - and never will.  Neither are the Democrats getting any better as they have vigorously bought into the constant Republican reconstruction of the uSA and now their New World Order.

I doubt that any of the Confederate veterans buried in Elk County owned slaves.  But so what if any of them did?  The Confederates were the last American military to fight for the Constitution.   


  "I tried all in my power to avert this war. I saw it coming, for twelve years I worked night and day to prevent it, but I could not. The North was mad and blind; it would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came, and now it must go on unless you acknowledge our right to self government. We are not fighting for slavery. We are fighting for Independence."
-President Jefferson Davis, CSA

"When the South raised its sword against the Union's Flag, it was in defense of the Union's Constitution."
-Confederate General John B. Gordon


Is it any wonder that the Republicans and reconstructed Democrats think so much alike nowadays?  Don't expect them to defend the Constitution.  They have other plans.

[Diane Amberg]

Thanks Mom.That was very interesting.

[Anmar]

Slavery was evil.  If The south truly wanted to assert their rights, they should have picked a different issue.  They didn't, they wanted slavery.

[redcliffsw]

America had slavery in the beginning - and before that.  That's the way it was. 

If you think slavery is so evil, then why do you support the liberal tyrannical Federal government programs that take from one by force to give to another.   In other words, you prefer make us give to the government programs - even to to the local economic development like some on here favor.

So Anmar, when you begin supporting liberty in America, I'll know that you truly believe that slavery is evil.  Think liberty.  Don't steal other peoples' stuff by and thru government.
It's evil.

[Anmar]

America had slavery in the beginning - and before that.  That's the way it was. 

If you think slavery is so evil, then why do you support the liberal tyrannical Federal government programs that take from one by force to give to another.   In other words, you prefer make us give to the government programs - even to to the local economic development like some on here favor.

So Anmar, when you begin supporting liberty in America, I'll know that you truly believe that slavery is evil.  Think liberty.  Don't steal other peoples' stuff by and thru government.
It's evil.

Taxes are not slavery.  The only thing standing between our society and anarchy or foreign invasion is the government.  The government needs money in order to carry out its function, thats why the constitution gave congress the power to tax and spend.

If you don't want to participate in our society, stop taking the benefits. 

[redcliffsw]

Of course, you're talking about accepting the benefits/entitlements of taking from others by and thru government.  I don't believe that is what out founding fathers intended.

Seems to me that if we have abolished slavery, then we ought to act like it.  We don't have the liberty to take from others by and thru government. 

You must be saying that in our "democracy" that we can vote to take from others?

You want us to respect Arabs.  How about the neocons, liberals and socialists respecting American liberty?  They'll never do it.  That's asking too much nowadays.

[Anmar]

Of course, you're talking about accepting the benefits/entitlements of taking from others by and thru government.  I don't believe that is what out founding fathers intended.

Then how do you explain Congress' power to tax and spend?  or the commerce clause?  How about the congressional power to print money?  In order to support your claim, you need to point to some authority, and also refute the above portions of the constitution.  You can't do either.

[redcliffsw]

You're sounding like a Republican.  There's nothing in the Constitution about taxing the people of the states.  )And the Federal Reserve is another dandy deal.)  The Constitution is to protect us from the Fed's.  Obama and the Republicans are not pro-Constitution.  They're stealing our liberty.   

The Republicans have moved the uSA away from the intents of the founding fathers.  That's the history of their ways and the reconstructed Democrats have fully accepted the Republican doctrine even to the point of moving socialism forward much more quickly than the Republicans.

Slavery?  Now we're all owned by the Federal government - thanks to the Republicans.  And the modern Democrats don't care anything about American liberty.  These overseers and tyrants talk about promoting "Democracy" throughout the world (new world order), rather than to stand for American liberty at home.





 

[Anmar]

You're sounding like a Republican.  There's nothing in the Constitution about taxing the people of the states.  )And the Federal Reserve is another dandy deal.)  The Constitution is to protect us from the Fed's.  Obama and the Republicans are not pro-Constitution.  They're stealing our liberty.   

Umm, have you read the constitution?  Article I section 8

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"