Civil War Terror: Sherman's March To The Sea

[redcliffsw]

Sure, the States and the people would be better off if their State left the Union. 

Stay right in there Jarhead, you're right.

Meanwhile, this afternoon I'm going on a tour of 150th Anniversary of Forrest Raid on Murfreesboro.
General Nathan Bedford Forrest was a great Confederate General and one of the greatest American generals.

[srkruzich]

Quote from Diane:
No more federal taxes to support poor southern states, no education funds or subsidies. No more national park support in those states. No more military bases in the south for employment and the local economy boosts they provide. No representation in DC. No federal firefighters, no infrastructure help, no federal medical help and on and on.


The  "poor" southern states, Kansas included, would probably be better off. We would keep the kazillion dollars we send to DC that is collected as Federal fuel tax.  Instead of sending in your federal income tax, give it to your state. Bet in the long run the states would be much richer. Of coarse Pakistan and every other starving ass nation in the world would probably be pissed off when the states didn't send them billions every year to arm our enemies. The down size would be how would we know if motorist swerved to run over a snake but also swerved to miss a turtle unless some university got big buck to do a study---or how much methane gas a farting cow emits ?
What's a federal firefighter ? Don't think I ever saw one of them in Elk County. 

Amen there jarhead.   IF she also read about andersonville and elmira and fort deleware, she would also know that all the prisoners of andersonville said that they were treated the best they could be under the conditions.  ANd many times the south asked lincoln to take the sick and injured with no prisoner exchange whatsoever and lincoln and grant denied them.  As a contrast there were more deaths in the union pow camps of confederate soldiers, mostly due to the attitude of the leaders stating they wouldn't waste medicine on any confederate.  One doctor boasted that he had killed more rebs than any union troop.  

Andesonville was a awful tragedy, one that rested fully on lincolns shoulders. it was his actions that caused it.

[srkruzich]

Sure, the States and the people would be better off if their State left the Union. 

Stay right in there Jarhead, you're right.

Meanwhile, this afternoon I'm going on a tour of 150th Anniversary of Forrest Raid on Murfreesboro.
General Nathan Bedford Forrest was a great Confederate General and one of the greatest American generals.

Is this the raid where thomas went up against him and couldn't get across the duck river?

[redcliffsw]

My people did not serve under Gen. Forrest nor were they in the same battles so I have not studied him much.
Maybe I'll learn sometime here today and I'll report back later.

[Diane Amberg]

Jar, the Fed. firefighters are part of the smoke jumpers etc. fighting the fires in CO and the other states out there.  Kansas wouldn't ever be likely to need them.
    As far as Fed taxes go, Delaware would be better off too. We never get back as much as we pay in.
Then there is still the business of the Civil War prisons. I haven't even scratched the surface of the exchange and so called parole systems that were in place before the real prisons existed, (The Dix-Hill Cartel) and the terrible treatment of the union black soldiers,even the free blacks, who were captured and treated as run away slaves by the southern military.They were rarely exchanged or paroled .Many were just executed. So much for human decency.
   President Lincoln did get involved with that and had to make some serious threats to put a stop to it.
Red, hope you enjoy your history tour. I suspect you'll learn a lot.

[W. Gray]

The slave experts in this topic might be interested in a new movie coming out in 2013 titled "Twelve Years a Slave."

A free married black and highly literate businessman living in upstate New York in 1841 traveled to Washington, DC, on business and was waylaid and kidnapped by slave traders, taken to Maryland, a slave state, sold there, and shipped to the deeper south as a slave. No one would believe his story but he managed to escape by going through the legal system, twelve years later.

After regaining his freedom, he wrote a successful book, "Twelve Years a Slave," about his experience. The book I read many years ago had comments added by a Union Army officer. The officer had read the book before the Civil War and was on duty in the South area where the black man was kept as a slave. The officer attempted to determine if the events and facts in the black man's book were true and even found the plantation and talked to his former slave wife and other slaves who knew him.

A TV movie was made several years ago but seemed to me to stray from the book even though my only reading of the book was in the late sixties.

One of the stars in the new movie is Brad Pitt.

The real life black man, the last I heard, had faded from history and there has been no recorded events found of what happened to him.

[Bullwinkle]

   Thank you Mr.Gray for possibly bringing this thread back to the good old days.

[srkruzich]

The slave experts in this topic might be interested in a new movie coming out in 2013 titled "Twelve Years a Slave."

A free married black and highly literate businessman living in upstate New York in 1841 traveled to Washington, DC, on business and was waylaid and kidnapped by slave traders, taken to Maryland, a slave state, sold there, and shipped to the deeper south as a slave. No one would believe his story but he managed to escape by going through the legal system, twelve years later.

After regaining his freedom, he wrote a successful book, "Twelve Years a Slave," about his experience. The book I read many years ago had comments added by a Union Army officer. The officer had read the book before the Civil War and was on duty in the South area where the black man was kept as a slave. The officer attempted to determine if the events and facts in the black man's book were true and even found the plantation and talked to his former slave wife and other slaves who knew him.

A TV movie was made several years ago but seemed to me to stray from the book even though my only reading of the book was in the late sixties.

One of the stars in the new movie is Brad Pitt.

The real life black man, the last I heard, had faded from history and there has been no recorded events found of what happened to him.

I don't doubt that happened.  Especially around maryland and  north of there. Northern slave traders were runing rampant all through there to the new england states.   And when they brought anyone south, they were slaves as far as anyone there knew.    There were plenty of freeblacks in the south, and it wasn't uncommon for them to be kidnapped when they ventured into the slave trader areas. 

[Bullwinkle]

   Quit while you're behind , Screech.

[srkruzich]

Jar, the Fed. firefighters are part of the smoke jumpers etc. fighting the fires in CO and the other states out there.  Kansas wouldn't ever be likely to need them.
    As far as Fed taxes go, Delaware would be better off too. We never get back as much as we pay in.
Then there is still the business of the Civil War prisons. I haven't even scratched the surface of the exchange and so called parole systems that were in place before the real prisons existed, (The Dix-Hill Cartel) and the terrible treatment of the union black soldiers,even the free blacks, who were captured and treated as run away slaves by the southern military.They were rarely exchanged or paroled .Many were just executed. So much for human decency.
   President Lincoln did get involved with that and had to make some serious threats to put a stop to it.
Red, hope you enjoy your history tour. I suspect you'll learn a lot.

Dix-hill wasn't even honored after 1862. Lincoln refused to trade.   Ignored everything the south tried to do to send the sick home.  Like i said they even offered to send them  home with no prisoner exchange at all and lincoln refused.   He put Grant in charge of it and Grant didn't give a rats ass about the prisoners in Andersonville.