The U.S. Flag vs. the Christian Flag . . .

Started by redcliffsw, July 02, 2012, 01:07:25 PM

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srkruzich

Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 09, 2012, 04:12:12 PM
     I could care less "when " under God " was added. It was most likely there when you heard it first, so your point is mute.

    It is simply a pledge of loyalty to this country. It is obvious you have no such loyalty. Gladly, I don't have to depend on your loyalty. True Americans outnumber you.
I don't need to utter a oath.

Just because you choose to ignore that a pledge, is a oath, doesn't negate the fact that it is a oath. I am not loyal to any flag, I am loyal to my counttry not my government. IF it were up to me, i would run everyone of them out of this nation.  I myself fly my stars n bars proudly!  :)  The CSA was and is still the only America that hasn't sacrificed their constittutional beliefs.   Try reading the CSA constitution.   Like i said i owe no loyalty to any government. The government is my servant not my master.
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

readyaimduck

#51
So, what I am interpreting your statements to mean is:  You would opt out to even having the US Flag in or at a church.
And the religious flag of choice should stand only and soley?
Basically, the original OP was of which should be higher.
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srkruzich

Quote from: readyaimduck on July 09, 2012, 07:51:04 PM
So, what I am interpreting your statements to mean is:  You would opt out to even having the US Flag in or at a church.
And the religious flag of choice should stand only and soley?
Basically, the original OP was of which should be higher.
ready

Absolutely!  New testament christians knew that christ preached separation of church and state. This is not a new concept, it has been taught since 2000 years ago.   The government flag does not belong in Gods house.  Gods house is not subject to Government in any way.
I also do not believe that the church should have to have a special exemption from taxes.  I believe that  christ said render unto caesar what is caesar's and by accepting a tax exemption it is subjugating the house of God under government authority.   

I also believe that churchs have a right and a duty to examine what goes on in government and to advise its people on which way to go.  But how can they dothat if they take government money/exemptions.
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

readyaimduck

and a pledge is not an oath.  
I pledge to give you money to a cause...then I have no money, so my pledge is null and void. ( Hey bro, I swear I will pay your the money next week.)
If I take a  an oath like a marriage vow and stay true to it's cause, then I will keep close for everyone to see my dedication, my love as well as my tenacity........every day (it's a symbol, not an idol)
Both can be in this day and age,  andboth  have been broken.
If you wish for only ONE flag to fly to support your beliefs, then make it about flying a picture of yourself with your beliefs.  Until then, we only have our Federal, State, County, Religions and my shorties upside down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
not sure whether to laugh or be ....?
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readyaimduck

Exemptions from the State with not paying taxes, needs to be brought up at the State level.  We may all agree and I agree with you that it gets abused.  I don't like those that take advantage of it.

It's a break, at what cost..
However, like I said that is another thread.
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readyaimduck

#55
QuoteI also believe that churchs have a right and a duty to examine what goes on in government and to advise its people on which way to go.  But how can they dothat if they take government money/exemptions.

And for that quote, I do agree. 

It was so stated earlier, that the flag does not belong in a church.   And it was so stated that if the members of said church vote on it, then so be it...and I am against Organized Religion, I want the old time stuff.
I guess it belongs in the Theological Thread.

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srkruzich

Quote from: readyaimduck on July 09, 2012, 08:07:36 PM
and a pledge is not an oath.  
I pledge to give you money to a cause...then I have no money, so my pledge is null and void. ( Hey bro, I swear I will pay your the money next week.)
If I take a  an oath like a marriage vow and stay true to it's cause, then I will keep close for everyone to see my dedication, my love as well as my tenacity........every day (it's a symbol, not an idol)
Both can be in this day and age,  andboth  have been broken.
If you wish for only ONE flag to fly to support your beliefs, then make it about flying a picture of yourself with your beliefs.  Until then, we only have our Federal, State, County, Religions and my shorties upside down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
not sure whether to laugh or be ....?
ready

dictionary.com .....Pledge .... definition 18.  take the pledge, to make a solemn, formal vow to abstain from intoxicating drink.

dictionary.com ...Oath .... Definition 5  5.   take an oath  to declare formally with an oath or pledge, esp before giving evidence

Clearly they are the same thing.
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

Bullwinkle

      Websters Encyclopedia of Dictionaries

  oath- confirmation of the truth by naming something sacred, esp. God ; a statement or promise confirmed by an appeal to God ; a blasphemous use of the name of God; any imprecation.

  pledge-  something deposited as security; a sign or token of anything; a drinking to the health of; a solemn promise.

    Clearly they are not the same, beware of "updated" definitons.  8)

redcliffsw


So why do you support the Pledge of Allegiance?  Aren't you patriotic enough without it?  I can't imagine that
reciting the Pledge would make one more patriotic - however we've been saying the Pledge for more than 60 years that I know;
then why is this country so socialistic and people and corporations living off the Fed's and some even advocate it down to your
country level.

Again - the founding fathers never said the thing and they'd never advocate such a pledge to the King or the otherwise.

srkruzich

Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 10, 2012, 08:17:21 AM
      Websters Encyclopedia of Dictionaries

  oath- confirmation of the truth by naming something sacred, esp. God ; a statement or promise confirmed by an appeal to God ; a blasphemous use of the name of God; any imprecation.

  pledge-  something deposited as security; a sign or token of anything; a drinking to the health of; a solemn promise.

    Clearly they are not the same, beware of "updated" definitons.  8)

under websters definition you will find

Synonyms: promise, pledge, troth, vow, word

:) Even websters says its the same

Oath....  (2) : a solemn attestation of the truth or inviolability of one's words
pledge  a : a binding promise or agreement to do or forbear   


Both are binding agreements.  They are the same
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

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