Maybe it's not the left vs the right. Maybe...

Diane Amberg · January 10, 2011, 09:43:03 PM

Why, the same place you are sending yours of course. Where else would they be sent?

jarhead · January 10, 2011, 09:54:09 PM

Diane, Aint got no "yours ". Had Black Bean Burritos for supper and now even Kshillbilly won't join my Army---the wussie !!!

Diane Amberg · January 11, 2011, 12:35:34 PM

By the way, with the exception of June, who has about as much experience at being shot at as Teresa, my competitive shooting friends aren't just kids who go hunting. Varmit, Gene is 70 and the rest are all 60's and Vietnam Vets. They've had real experience at being shot at. They don't talk about it much. Perhaps you forget how old my crowd is. We still had the draft and you can assume that most anybody in my age range went. Don't sell them short.
Pugs and Scott are young and have recent combat experience. Scott is still there.

Varmit · January 11, 2011, 01:34:21 PM

Oh my god, Diane!! I ask one little question and you jump all over my case!! Whatever happened to civility and polite conversation? I wasn't accusing you or your friends of anything

All I did was ask a simple question and you bite my head off!! I'll have you know that I have many friends that send me messages telling me how right I am and how much they enjoy my comments and posts, some of them are even from your area but they choose not to post for fear of getting accused of something.

You totally took what I said out of context and twisted it to fit your agenda. Well, thats fine by me, no skin off my nose, I've learned to deal with it. And so what if you had the draft that doesn't exactly make your generation a bunch of martyrs. I'll get off here now so you can have your fun ripping my post to shreds! Oooohhhhh the humanity! I fear I shall never be able to bring myself to post again....Ohhhh woe is me....Ohhh lawdy lawdy!!!

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go find some more sarcasm as I seem to have depleted my reserve.

kshillbillys · January 11, 2011, 01:59:33 PM

holy shit!!!!!! LMAO

jarhead · January 11, 2011, 02:03:48 PM

Diane,
Only 25 % of the boots on the ground, in Nam, were drafted so don't think we can assume anyone in our age group served in combat. Granted some joined voluntarily. Then there's the small matter of it took dozens of rear echelon personnel to support one grunt / infantryman that was actually in combat so most in a combat zone never actually see combat. Been that way for a long time and continues toady. Not nit picking---just setting the record straight. I don't say this to diminish anyone that served in a combat zone because it takes all to get the job done.

W. Gray · January 11, 2011, 02:43:21 PM

The Army's tail to tooth support ratio in Vietnam was 5 to 1.

For every man in combat operation, there were five in the rear somewhere providing combat supply and support.

After coming under fire from Congress, there was an effort after Vietnam to cut that ratio for future wars. I don't recall what, if any, revised ratio was adopted.

Apparently, considerable combat support in Iraq is provided by contract personnel. I don't know about Afghanistan.

Patriot · January 11, 2011, 06:44:15 PM

Quote from: Varmit on January 11, 2011, 01:34:21 PM
Oh my god, Diane!! I ask one little question and you jump all over my case!! Whatever happened to civility and polite conversation? I wasn't accusing you or your friends of anything All I did was ask a simple question and you bite my head off!! I'll have you know that I have many friends that send me messages telling me how right I am and how much they enjoy my comments and posts, some of them are even from your area but they choose not to post for fear of getting accused of something. You totally took what I said out of context and twisted it to fit your agenda. Well, thats fine by me, no skin off my nose, I've learned to deal with it. And so what if you had the draft that doesn't exactly make your generation a bunch of martyrs. I'll get off here now so you can have your fun ripping my post to shreds! Oooohhhhh the humanity! I fear I shall never be able to bring myself to post again....Ohhhh woe is me....Ohhh lawdy lawdy!!!
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go find some more sarcasm as I seem to have depleted my reserve.

Poor poor Varmit!
Diane, how dare you beat up on him! He suffers from shellshock (or some rare tropical disease)!
How can you be so insensitive! You sound like one of them hypocritical liberals.
S'ok Varmit. Just take your meds and try to relax. It'll be OK. She doesn't realize how terrible her attack was.....

On second thought, Varmit you're a shit & deserve it all!

jarhead · January 11, 2011, 08:19:39 PM

Quote from Waldo
The Army's tail to tooth support ratio in Vietnam was 5 to 1.

For every man in combat operation, there were five in the rear somewhere providing combat supply and support.

Waldo,
Not doubting your source of info Waldo but I've read where the ratio of supporting troops is much higher. guess it just depends on who does the figuring. I guess you could look at it as if you got air support from an F-4 that was flying off the USS Bennington, that is sailing off the coast of Vietnam, you could count all the hands on the ship and say they were support personal for a platoon of 20 grunts. You call in three rounds of 105's then the whole battery becomes the support group, and the cooks that feed them, the 6 x6 drivers that deliver the ammo. Then the Huey gunship that lends you a hand and all the mechanics that keep that bird in the air. The list goes on and on. All the jobs have their dangers and it takes them all to do the job.

Diane Amberg · January 11, 2011, 08:52:24 PM

Oh my word! Varmit, please DO NOT read anything into my post. I DIDN'T JUMP INTO ANY BODY'S ANYTHING! I DID NOT TWIST anything nor do I have an agenda. I was just confirming that my friends that were mentioned did have experience beyond one way shooting of deer that don't shoot back. Good Grief! WHAT ATTACK? I didn't see your question as offensive nor did my comment intend to be. It was just question asked, question answered, that's all. If these guys didn't have combat experience I wouldn't have mentioned them! I have many friends who went who were medics and radio and all kinds of other things. So what? One still has shrapnel in his hands that occasionally remind him of the past.That's just the way it is. Why are you are so touchy! What is the matter with you?