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[Diane Amberg]

That's a bag valve mask Steve and they are not very expensive (@ $25.00 )  because they are now disposable.That's a very good suggestion. One has to know how to get a seal on the face using the right sized mask and bag and keep the chin aimed up high. As long as the chest rises when you squeeze the bag, it's good. I have a set of three sizes in my car. Yes CPR is very tiring. You have to mentally disengage from everything around you, get in the rhythm and relax.
Wilma are your LEOs EMTs or First Responders? I can't see them needing EMT with all the clinical training.The First Responder course is very good for LEOs. Fewer hours and very targeted information with all the applied skills.

[srkruzich]

hen you reach Rd. 9, it goes north, but not south anywhere you can see.  You have to go on west across a bridge, take a left curve that curves back to the east a bit and you are on Rd. 9.  This isn't unique in Elk County.  You can run into roads like this anywhere.  You just have to be familiar with every bit of the county to be able to quickly find your destination.

Your right the roads are quite a mess. But what i am talking about is having a gps in each vehicle, tied into the 911 service.  EVERY HOUSE has gps coordinates associated with the address.  911 is supposed to have that displayed in a call.
IF you give the coordinates to the emts or i think they even have the devices where it is wired to the device through the radio and it will give not only fastest but most direct directions.
On that night, they did take 99 north to rock and west on rock 6 miles then south on rd 9.   I really don't know why it took so long.

Steve, are you talking about volunteer paramedics and emts?  I think state regs require a paramedic on every run.

I don't care if they are volenteer or are paid.  I mean even someone who was a medic in the military is qualified to do the job.

OH and let me clarify something here.   I am in no way upset with the Folks that responded.  They did all they could do, and i know that those that were there were deeply affected by her death.  The sherriff included. I think it ripped everyone apart that night. 

I am just upset with the Lack of resources.  IT shouldn't be this way.  I dont know but i think that most folks would support a small increase in taxes to support more resources.  Who knows.   I sure don't. 

I still have nightmares of Ember staring lifelessly into my eyes.

[srkruzich]

That's a bag valve mask Steve and they are not very expensive (@ $25.00 )  because they are now disposable.That's a very good suggestion. One has to know how to get a seal on the face using the right sized mask and bag and keep the chin aimed up high. As long as the chest rises when you squeeze the bag, it's good. I have a set of three sizes in my car. Yes CPR is very tiring. You have to mentally disengage from everything around you, get in the rhythm and relax.
Wilma are your LEOs EMTs or First Responders? I can't see them needing EMT with all the clinical training.The First Responder course is very good for LEOs. Fewer hours and very targeted information with all the applied skills.

I used to have a red cross i think certification years and years ago, but i let it lapse due to the liabilities of having a certification.  They would sue you back then if you preformed cpr with a cert, and the person didn't live or had damage.  IF you did it without a certification you were protected under the good samaratin laws which prohibited anyone from suing for damages if you assisted.  SO i haven't gotten my cert again. I know i probably need retraining but i dont' want the certification to protect myself. 

[Wilma]

I don't know if the ambulances are equipped with GPS or not.  But, here, again is another expense.  I hear certain people complaining about their taxes all the time now.  Then they complain about the lack of services.  Can't have it both ways, can we?  Janet knew about the country roads and that was the reason she didn't want us living in that area.  She and Lynn Wells were the only ones that knew how to find anyone out there.  Now both of them are gone.

[srkruzich]

I don't know if the ambulances are equipped with GPS or not.  But, here, again is another expense.  I hear certain people complaining about their taxes all the time now.  Then they complain about the lack of services.  Can't have it both ways, can we?  Janet knew about the country roads and that was the reason she didn't want us living in that area.  She and Lynn Wells were the only ones that knew how to find anyone out there.  Now both of them are gone.

well gps devices wouldn't raise taxes it can be fit into the maint budget of the vehicles.  If i remember right, its about 1k per vehicle.  And yeah i know folks holler bout taxes but this is something in a area like this that is truely needed. It would keep the EMTS from getting  lost or making wrong turns.

[Diane Amberg]

Steve, I don't who told you that you could be sued for doing CPR with a certification. That's hooey! While it is true anyone can sue for anything, volunteers of any kind in most states are protected by their Good Sam laws ESPECIALLY if they HAVE certifications. The whole idea in taking the training is to assure people don't do CPR on someone who doesn't need it, and learn good technique.. CPR and AED are no guarantee of survival and never will be.  Next year they'll be rolling out the new standards, including hands only CPR,  no breaths.  Gotta kill those suing rumors or it will never work. The idea is get MORE people to try to help, not fewer because of threatened lawsuits. A try at a rescue is always better than doing nothing.  Most lawyers won't touch lawsuits involving volunteers and most judges would throw it out because it would destroy the volunteer system if people could suddenly sue willy nilly and win. Both Red Cross and The American Heart Association stand behind their classes and card carriers. If our volunteers were ever sued wrongfully we'd lock the ambulances and walk away. By the way, we do have GPS.

[srkruzich]

Steve, I don't who told you that you could be sued for doing CPR with a certification. That's hooey! While it is true anyone can sue for anything, volunteers of any kind in most states are protected by their Good Sam laws ESPECIALLY if they HAVE certifications. The whole idea in taking the training is to assure people don't do CPR on someone who doesn't need it, and learn good technique.. CPR and AED are no guarantee of survival and never will be.  Next year they'll be rolling out the new standards, including hands only CPR,  no breaths.  Gotta kill those suing rumors or it will never work. The idea is get MORE people to try to help, not fewer because of threatened lawsuits. A try at a rescue is always better than doing nothing.  Most lawyers won't touch lawsuits involving volunteers and most judges would throw it out because it would destroy the volunteer system if people could suddenly sue willy nilly and win. Both Red Cross and The American Heart Association stand behind their classes and card carriers. If our volunteers were ever sued wrongfully we'd lock the ambulances and walk away. By the way, we do have GPS.

I dont' know diane, i remember it happenign long time ago. Might now be now.    How do you do cpr with no breathing when you have someone that isn't breathing. That makes no sense. 
Uhm How has the gps affected times?  I know it has to make a major difference, and it isn't that expensive to implement either.

[Diane Amberg]

It helps some. Our rural areas aren't as big as yours and we do have the helicopter to help. Plus we have our own map books that we make ourselves of every detail in our district.  We have everything in a modified grid system that has a number assigned to it. Our main slow downs are caused by bad weather and traffic. Occasionally we have hikers or bikers who have accidents deep in some state parks in our district and it can take time to physically find them, and get to them, where there are only narrow trails or none at all. Then we have to hike back to them with all the gear and pack them out.
  The idea with the hands only CPR and I can't teach it all on here, is for adults only with a witnessed arrest, which means a fully oxygenated body and brain. It would only be used by a lay rescuer who isn't able (or won't) to give large breaths properly (COPD) and has no equipment, in lieu of doing nothing. The idea being to circulate what oxygen is in the body, to the benefit of the brain. It only lasts for a short time though, so a proper rescue or ambulance must be only a few minutes away. It's not meant for drownings and some other special incidents. There may be some new time limits released for doing CPR for long periods of time, but I can't talk about that yet as the details haven't been released even to us and not all states may go along with it. It also has to do with the availability of an AED.

[Roma Jean Turner]

I need to update my certification and am interested in learning the new procedure.  I hope more people will get involved.

[Diane Amberg]

So do I. I think the national roll out will be in Nov. but it will take some time to get it out to all the instructors. I think they are planning to do a lot of the updates on line this time, but new books will still need to be printed and made available.There are some other things coming up too, but for the lay rescuer the CCC (continuous chest compression for 200 beats) or "hands only" CPR is the big one. Choking and AED will still need to be addressed and the differences in infants and children also.