Just my two cents...

[pamagain]

its pretty simple to know who is and who isn't.  The fruit of the spirit.

Think yall would be better served by checkin your own fitness instead of forcin your opinion of everybody ELSES fitness on them.

whenever some sorry atheistic SOB gets on here

haven't seen any atheists on here

it must be decided what is and isn't christian.

which is exactly why there are so many DIFFERENT versions of the Bible and denominations who think THEY are the ONLY way

I will still share my daily devotions with you and you can read or not, your choice

That's good Judy...a lot of people appreciate them alot I feel the same about my enlightenment posts.....if our posts help even one person then that's a good thing

But then to have a couple of people suggest that I'm not a Christian because I don't quite fit THEIR idea of a Christian. GRRRRR

Diane, they and what they think doesn't matter so why sweat it? Anger at them is wasted energy cause they just want to judge. Just let em stew.

As far as having a chance to get into heaven?  I know i'm going.

My heart is quiet about my having a home in Heaven too. What else matters?

[Patriot]

Okay, let me try a different angle on this.  I'm not pointing fingers or accusing anyone of doing the following but would like to hear the answers....

1.  How can a person be a Christian...

You have the answers, friend, so as for me I'll accept your questions as rhetorical and thought provoking to those who are not yet ready for meat.   

[Varmit]

Think yall would be better served by checkin your own fitness instead of forcin your opinion of everybody ELSES fitness on them.

Does that apply to you also?  Whats the difference between you and I or anybody else?  We are both standing for what we believe in, telling each other that we're wrong.  I guess teh difference comes from wht we use to back up our arguments...

which is exactly why there are so many DIFFERENT versions of the Bible and denominations who think THEY are the ONLY way

God told us that this would happen and to be mindful of it, and to weigh each against the scripture.

That's good Judy...a lot of people appreciate them alot I feel the same about my enlightenment posts.....if our posts help even one person then that's a good thing

I guess that depends on which way you are helping that person, either towards God and His word or away from it.

Diane, they and what they think doesn't matter so why sweat it? Anger at them is wasted energy cause they just want to judge. Just let em stew.

Whose judging?  Pointing out the difference between right and wrong isn't "judging" a person.  It is trying to help them.  However, calling a person a ".. JUDGEMENTAL A^%HOLE." and saying things like "......that the ones who get busy "witnessing" the "Word" are usually in WAY more need of the "Word" than I am." is pretty judgemental. Don't you think?

[pamagain]

  The only way NOT to judge is to accept people with all the things that piss you off even if you think/KNOW they are wrong....
   I accept you Varmit, you Steve, you Patriot, you Red......warts and all.

   Y'all have a most wonderful weekend

   
 

[Patriot]

For the consideration of all...


Hbr 5:12     For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

2Ti 2:15   Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


Christians sometimes stay at the milk levels of their faith... for years!  Yet we are called to grow and learn.  It is not enough to say "I'm saved, and that's all there is."  Failing to diligently study and grow makes us fat, lazy babes not suited for much use.  We are commanded to study, learn and grow.  How sad it is to see so many brethren in Christ content to sit in infancy when there is so much beyond that.  It is hard to serve well a master we fail or refuse to become fully acquainted with!  How can we walk the walk if we have not gone beyond kindergarten in our personal growth?  If we do not grow by diligent study (including open discussion and debate) with Scripture as the foundation, we leave ourselves open to much deception and sin.

[tdub]

I've been reading this forum for over a year now and am still discouraged. Those of you who think it is your duty to "go forth and spread the word" - you're doing a piss poor job of it. All I ever see in your posts are hate and judgment. That's what you are sharing with me. What I am learning from you is I need to hate anyone who is not like me; does not believe/behave like me; says things that opposes my beliefs. You post that you hope you're there when God puts a boot in our ass. Is this what Christianity is? I thought there was a guy named Jesus in there somewhere. Didn't he have things to say about love and compassion? Those sound like really good things. I can get on board with that. Some of you are so intent on trying to change people's hearts that you've completely ignored your own. Your hearts are as hard as Pharaohs. I want no part of your version of Christianity. You throw the Bible at people as if the Bible were God. I think we need to be careful not to confuse the two. The Bible points to God but is not God. I think someone can have a relationship with the Divine without the Bible. My God is not so small that I have to fit him in a tiny little box of my own creation. My God does not have limits. What I know about God and the universe is a drop compared to the ocean. I suspect it is the same for you, but in your arrogance you think you know it all. Your posts are not leading me to Christianity - they are making me run from it - at least your version of it.

[Patriot]

I've been reading this forum for over a year now and am still discouraged. Those of you who think it is your duty to "go forth and spread the word" - you're doing a piss poor job of it. All I ever see in your posts are hate and judgment. That's what you are sharing with me. What I am learning from you is I need to hate anyone who is not like me; does not believe/behave like me; says things that opposes my beliefs. You post that you hope you're there when God puts a boot in our ass. Is this what Christianity is? I thought there was a guy named Jesus in there somewhere. Didn't he have things to say about love and compassion? Those sound like really good things. I can get on board with that. Some of you are so intent on trying to change people's hearts that you've completely ignored your own. Your hearts are as hard as Pharaohs. I want no part of your version of Christianity. You throw the Bible at people as if the Bible were God. I think we need to be careful not to confuse the two. The Bible points to God but is not God. I think someone can have a relationship with the Divine without the Bible. My God is not so small that I have to fit him in a tiny little box of my own creation. My God does not have limits. What I know about God and the universe is a drop compared to the ocean. I suspect it is the same for you, but in your arrogance you think you know it all. Your posts are not leading me to Christianity - they are making me run from it - at least your version of it.

Yes, sometimes believers 'overstate their case' to be sure.  Yet I can't help but see some of the same invective in your post that you accuse others of using.

As for your take on the Bible (read: Word of God), I'll submit the following for your consideration:

Jhn 1:1     In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[tdub]

Yet I can't help but see some of the same invective in your post that you accuse others of using.


Patriot - you are absolutely correct - I got "caught up"- thank you for bringing that to my attention - I appreciate it.

[Patriot]

Yes, love is a component of God's character (though few realize the biblical definition of that love), and compassion is critical.  So why all the 'division' among us?  Why does such division surprise and bother us?  It shouldn'i!

In Christ's own words:

Luk 12:51           Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Luk 12:52           For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three
Luk 12:53           The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter,
                        and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law
                        against her mother in law.

[Wilma]

Isn't that just telling us to think for ourselves and not just go along with what others think?