Obama & Nra From Factcheck.org

[Jo McDonald]

Gina, I will tell Fred --- he will provide you with another, but you two will have to get together so he can put all the magic in it for you.  If he lives to be ~~~~how ever old ~ he will never forget the wonder in your little eyes when the magic penny appeared.

   Jo

[pam]

SDM, when my boys were small my then husband moved us into Plainview and then Oaklawn. I didn't have a gun then so I carried a giant buck knife, there is no truer statement in the world than If you outlaw guns only outlaws will HAVE guns. I really don't understand why people think outlawin guns will solve the problem of crime, I mean seriously.

I didn't put Obama down for that.

[Sarah]

I don't think that POTUS can change the constitution; o/w Roe v Wade should have been overturned many years ago as every republican president has run under that banner since its' inception.

Kjell, should you need some more action out of Teresa, just let me know. I got more!! 
Small fee of course! 

Uhhh RvW isn't constitutional. there was no constitutional amendment to pass that.  It was legislated from the judicial bench when the courts usurped the legislatures powers.

[jerry wagner]

It wasn't legislating from the bench, but rather a finding a TX law unconstitutional under the due process clause of the 14th amendment which is as follows:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[Teresa]

I know this is a highly pro gun area and I respect that, but don't put down the candidate because of a bogus charge of 'He's gonna take your gun!"

BOGUS??

My god.. I can not believe you are that misinformed .. Apparently you like where your head is stuck.. because only a person who REFUSES to acknowledge the documented facts can stand there and spout that kind of blind talk. Congratulations..you have now moved into the realm of National Socialism. And it is apparent you will welcome it with open arms.
The suppression of free speech using intimidation and the threat of legal consequences has begun. Next, disagreeing with Obama or any democrat will be deemed a thought crime. Threatening with action through governmental agencies.  Loss of a license to do business by an action of an agency if you step on our toes.  Reminds me of the bullies in school that never did their own dirty work.  They were followed around by a bunch of goons that were their real muscle.   Amazing.... Shameful..... An astounding partisan abuse of prosecutoral power. Those involved should resign, if for no other reason than these fascist tactics are an insult to everyone who ever sacrificed to make and keep this country free.

I have said this in other posts...Having read most of the list of votes, speeches and organizations from Obama that were used to make up the list of charges from the NRA, I don't know how the Obama camp can call it a lie with a straight face.  Do they not realize that every vote he has made is public record, and since long before he decided to dabble in politics they have been recording speeches?

Change = Destroying your 2nd Amendment rights through suppression of your 1st Amendment rights...
  Just a little preview of the Fairness Doctrine if B-HO gets elected.


Check this out.. ( but you probably won't read it or admit any of it.. .. as it has way too many issues that your sheepherder has to answer to his loyal bleating followers.) We can't have him be accountable ..now can we?
You are a card to draw too..I'll give you that much.   

An interesting read in troubling times: This is one of the MANY of Obama being against our 2nd amendment rights.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-attempt-to-destroy-the-second-amendment/

The plan's objective was bold: the judicial obliteration of the Second Amendment.

Joyce's directors found a vulnerable point. When judges cannot rely upon past decisions, they sometimes turn to law review articles. Law reviews are impartial, and famed for meticulous cite-checking. They are also produced on a shoestring. Authors of articles receive no compensation; editors are law students who work for a tiny stipend.

In 1999, midway through Obama's tenure, the Joyce board voted to grant the Chicago-Kent Law Review $84,000, a staggering sum by law review standards. The Review promptly published an issue in which all articles attacked the individual right view of the Second Amendment.

In a breach of law review custom, Chicago-Kent let an "outsider" serve as editor; he was Carl Bogus, a faculty member of a different law school. Bogus had a unique distinction: he had been a director of Handgun Control Inc. (today's Brady Campaign), and was on the advisory board of the Joyce-funded Violence Policy Center.

Bogus solicited only articles hostile to the individual right view of the Second Amendment, offering authors $5,000 each.

Another good read on the subject:

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmM2NjY3ZWEyNjE4MTMwMDlmNTA5NzE2M2Y2NDQ4ZTM=

Obama was named a director of the Joyce Foundation in late 1994, and remained in that position until late 2002.

During Obama's tenure with the Joyce Foundation, donations to anti-gun groups increased dramatically. For example, in 1997 and 1998 the Violence Policy Center received $221,000 and $360,000 from the Foundation; those grants and donations increased to $1 million in 2000 and $800,000 in 2002. In all, during Obama's tenure, the group received $15 million from the Joyce Foundation.

Lest anyone think I'm mischaracterizing their objective analysis, note that their web site touts themselves as "the most aggressive group in the gun control movement." Also note studies like their one from 2000 entitled, "Unsafe in Any Hands: Why America Needs to Ban Handguns," which declared the idea that the Constitution would forbid a national handgun ban a "pure myth." Also note the organization's subtly-titled book, Every Handgun is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns.

I'm not even mad this time.. I know I am wasting my breath... I just pity you who refuse to acknowledge that Obama's character.. lack of any kind of political record..and his corrupt background has any bearing on him leading this country FOR the good of the people.

( If a republican had this kind of corrupt and anti American past.. they would have been run out on a rail with tar and feathers by now.. Just frickin' amazing................. ).....

[Kjell H.]

Ain't it the truth! I'm gonna stop turning on the tv when I get up in the morning! The news this morning is certainly not rosy. Now, about guns; I am certainly not for the banning of guns, I have guns of my own. But I want to tell you when you live in an area where folks shoot indiscriminately, you think a little bit before you go out on your porch. Particularly at night. I used to live in Wichita, in a working class neighborhood that was a short distance away from a main traffic artery. You could go outside at night and hear the gunshots. We even dug slugs out of the front wall of our house! You CANNOT resolve that situation by shooting back, where and whom do you shoot except maybe your neighbors or some passerby. These people do not need to have guns, period! If it takes formal training to own a gun or some sort of responsible action then I am for that. Wyatt Earp did not tame Wichita by being the fastest gun in the west, he did it with gun control. All the wild and wooly cowboys were required to turn in their guns when they came to town. I know this is a highly pro gun area and I respect that, but don't put down the candidate because of a bogus charge of 'He's gonna take your gun!"

First, Wyatt Earp was simply a regular police officer (deputy) in Wichita enforcing the laws (city ordinances). He did some police work in between his gambling habits  . His role as a "town tamer" is highly exaggerated. Btw, he was also a republican... at least in his Arizona years.

Now, let's get back to the part where Obama supporters choose to be blindfolded. Obama has a voting record showing he has done what he can to support his own anti gun agenda:

FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate "assault weapons," but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and "research."8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in "Obama had greater role on liberal survey," Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

6. "Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record." Obama '08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)

7. "Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote," Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. "Obama and Gun Control," The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. "Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control," Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, "Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action," February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: "As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . ." (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.

18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf

Now, we can all agree on the obvious: we all want to take the guns out of the hands of the criminals. What is also obvious is that the +20,000 federal, state and local gun laws and regulations already on the books have not solved that problem. We can add a couple of thousand more "common sense" gun laws as well, just to make some politicians proud of their legislative achievements.

Obama's voting record shows me he just don't get it.

[Warph]

I know this is a highly pro gun area and I respect that, but don't put down the candidate because of a bogus charge of 'He's gonna take your gun!"

BOGUS??

My god.. I can not believe you are that misinformed .. Apparently you like where your head is stuck.. because only a person who REFUSES to acknowledge the documented facts can stand there and spout that kind of blind talk. Congratulations..you have now moved into the realm of National Socialism. And it is apparent you will welcome it with open arms.

aaaaaaaaaaahhhha..... so that's where her head is at.  I thought Obuma has been walking a little strange lately.  Believe me, she's that misinformed.... and quite frankly, now that they are attached to one another, I would say that they deserve each other.  It's hard to argue with a true socialist, Teresa.

BTW, Kjell..... AMEN on your reply to this thread.  As we used to say in Nam, "Dead on, Fred"

[pam]

Why do people still think outlawin somthin makes it go away? I mean it's worked so well for drugs, and prohibition really changed things for the better 

SDM there really are some things about Obama that nobody can ignore. But the same goes for McCain, so here I go chasin my tail again..........I'm startin to get dizzy AND pissed.