Arrogant Christian Political Activists

[Patriot]

Christians in name only!  Personified by the folk in the article below.  Hmmmmmpf!  How arrogant to think that Christ taught, much less expected, His followers to mandate & create an earthly environment of heavenly perfection dictated by the Bible and enforced by earthly laws for all earthly residents.  How foolish to think that even non-believers can be forced to follow all of the precepts of the Bible.  Especially when the very need for Christ is based in even believer's inability to follow those same precepts.

Judgment comes in two forms:  1) To make a judgment: to evaluate/determine/assess something as good or bad, and 2) To exercise judgment: to impose controls/punishments/limits on others based on a judgment that those others engage in something bad.  The former is perfectly consistent with both biblical and conservative political liberties.  The latter is reserved to properly established authorities.  

Just because someone claims the label 'Christian' doesn't mean they are a political conservative (conservative: one who conserves or preserves the constitutional principles of liberty & freedom from excessive government).  It sometimes means they are taking liberty with their calling and are trying to exercise judgment of type 2 (see above) on those who fall outside the lines.  No, Christ said Christians are in this world but are not of this world.  He didn't teach that his followers were to create a christianocracy on earth.  Neither did Paul.  Though it would be nice if all the principles of a Biblically guided life were the norm, but that same Bible says it ain't gonna happen thorough any of our efforts.

Be careful what you ask for.  The Christian Coalition & Southern Baptists in the article below have, in my judgment, missed the mark by a mile!

WE'RE HERE TO CONTROL YOU [sic] LIFE! PRAISE GOD!
By Neal Boortz
@ February 15, 2011 8:48 AM

We've talked before on the show about the Sunday sale of beer and wine in Georgia.  Right now grocery stores aren't permitted to sell these items on Sunday ... and you know why.  It's because people are in Church.  The attitude among some, though certainly not all churchgoers is that they get to control your behavior on their Sabbath.  This feeling is especially prevalent among Baptists.  Truth is, they would control your behavior every day of the week if they thought they could get away with it.  Right now they're pretty much content with Sunday.

Our conversations began with the opening of the Georgia legislature.  A bill was being introduced that would allow local communities to vote on whether or not they wanted to legalize Sunday sales of beer and wine.  Now pay attention here ... the bill didn't in and of itself legalize Sunday sales.  It simply said that the people in local communities could go to the polls and decide for themselves if the law should be changed.  Well ... that certainly didn't sit well with the Christian Coalition.  Allow people to vote on an issue like this?  Allow people to have a say?  Are you kidding?  No way in (if you'll excuse me) HELL we're going to allow that to happen!

Would you like a sample of the intellectual brilliance the Christian Coalition brings to this issue?  Just listen to Jerry Luguire.  He's the president of the Christian Coalition.  He said that there should be at least one day a week where people "don't have to buy alcohol."  DON'T HAVE TO BUY?   Now we've asked Mr. Luguire to tell us on just what day of the week people DO have to buy alcoholic beverages.  No response.   Bottom line?  Luguire and his followers want to force every citizen of Georgia to live their lives in accordance with the beliefs of the Christian Coalition.  The voters should NOT be able to vote on an issue against the wishes of the Christian Coalition ... oh, and the Southern Baptist Convention as well.  They've joined in the fight against the people's right to express their wishes on this issue as well.

Sooooo ... it looks like the Republicans in the legislature are caving in.  They're feeling the pressure of the Baptists and the Christian Coalition.  It doesn't look right now like this bill is going to pass this year.  The theocrats are winning this one.

Now - a question.  What is the difference between Christians wanting to codify their religious doctrine into law, and Muslims wanting to do the same thing?  I received an email from one Gilda McCarty telling me (of course) that I was "bashing Christians."  She said that the 4th Commandment (Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy) was a LAW!  "Wheather," she said, "you are a believer or not."  So what is the difference between Gilda the Righteous telling us that the 4th Commandment is "law," and some Muslim saying that the provisions of the Quran should be law as well?  Sharia law?

Anyway ... way to cave in to the theocrats, Georgia Republicans.  What's next?  


Link:  http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html

[redcliffsw]

I've never listened to Boortz so I inquired from a Georgian who is a Southerner.
Looks like Boortz is described as a Libertarian, not a Conservative, which would
explain his liberal rant above. 

[Patriot]

I've never listened to Boortz so I inquired from a Georgian who is a Southerner.
Looks like Boortz is described as a Libertarian, not a Conservative, which would
explain his liberal rant above.  

True, he's a Libertarian.  Of course Ron & Rand Paul have strong Libertarian leanings too. You might consider researching Libertarian platforms.  In many ways, they more closely conform to constitutional precepts of limited government, individual liberty & responsibility than do so called conservatives.  As for the rant, I still say he's on point.  Christians are commanded to spread the good news about Jesus Christ and be prepared to defend their own faith if need be.  Nowhere in the Bible are Christians instructed to impose Biblical principles on unbelievers (the world) or to create a theocracy to rule over this world.  To do so opens the door to much of the criticism of hypocrisy Christianity receives from the world.

[srkruzich]

I am from Georgia and until I started travelling i never knew that sunday sales was a issue anywhere. WE just never had it.  We just bought on sat night before midnight and all was fine.

After livinga nd travelling around, i can see some good in the law. It does make a difference for the good.  Not necessarily for the die hard boozers but for the ones who won't go out of their way to go out sat night to go buy. 
Seriously whats 1 day a week of sobriety going to hurt.
While i am libertarian, it is one non issue for me in all reality.  I don't drink often anymore, not for my religious (southern Baptist) beliefs, as the SB don't teach it is a sin to drink, but I enjoy life without a brew.  No need for a buzz to make me happy you know and my idea of fun is not swigging beer, grilling franks, and hamburgers and staying buzzed all weekend. Shoot i have fun just going out and feeding the critters, working on projects, sitting out on my front porch in the spring summer and fall watching the sunrise every morning.

The statistics do show there is a drop in a lot of alchohol related crimes by having a moratorium on sunday. Secondly in Ga, its not like you cannot buy alchohol on sunday anywhere, just not at the 7-11.  You can get pitchers of beer at pizza hut or any restaurant that serves, bar and grills are open, and theres plenty of opportunity to get buzzed drunk or whatever on sunday. 

So i doubt its a real issue on freedom in that its not a total ban.  I mean some counties in GA you can't buy anything.  ITs totally dry.  Not going to change either since it is generally christians that live in the county that don't drink.  SHrug.  Not a biggie to me.  IF i want or anyone else wants a bottle, go to a county that sells it or across state lines if your near enaough. Not something thats a problem really.

[srkruzich]

OH BTW, I don't believe this is arrogant christians doing this.  WHy not follow the money.  THe politicians that have their hands in business's pockets..   WHo profits more from no sales on sunday at the 7-11 but sales in all restaurants is allowed??

[redcliffsw]

Some of the views of Libertarians and Conservatives merge but it's my view that
Libertarians have liberal leanings.  I would not want to be a Libertarian.     

[srkruzich]

Some of the views of Libertarians and Conservatives merge but it's my view that
Libertarians have liberal leanings.  I would not want to be a Libertarian.     

I don't think its necessarily liberal leanings.  What it is, is that they want GOVERNMENT out of our lives.  Only doing what it is chartered to do and to not be a nanny goovernment.
example of that would be the federalization of "homo marraige" laws.  Thats not a government function.  Its one of the 10th amendment functions.  Also i am one that goes against this so called War on drugs. Its failed miserably and there are only 2 ways you can stop the drugs from taking over.  1st way is to execute all drug dealers and addicts.  2nd way is to destroy the profit in selling drugs and the only way to  do that is to make them all legal.   Shrug. Its common sense. Take away the profit and the dealers go away.  Then whats left is no supply and a dwindling demand.

uhm  the issue that the OP posted is a State law. Not federal. So it is within the States right to enact a alchohol consumption law. Is it wise, yes and no.  Yes in that mild restriction can do some good things like controlling age in consumption, days of consumption or days of aquisition.  On the NO issue, if youprohibit it altogether, you create a market where bootleggin comes in and it continues underground.  Again the legalization of drugs i spoke about.   

I agree with a lot of conservative ideals but I also do not agree with quite a lot of their ideals.  Just like a flaming liberal the opposite a fuheristic like conservative is not a good thing.

As far as religion is concerned, Christianity has played a role in our government since its inception.