4 day school week.

[sixdogsmom]

My supervisor used to ask me how it was I got good consistent performance from my crew. Cat you described it perfectly, thanks!

[Varmit]

Thanks Cat! Deportment? I don't think anybody knows what that is any more. Thank goodness you think and speak like a teacher! Your kids must adore you. Kids will usually reach for the goals we set, even though they may not be the same for each child.  Teaching by intimidation and fear doesn't cut it with me.

Who said anything about intimidation and fear?

Oh yeah, for those of you who think that a "bootcamp" enviroment is a negative one, bear in mind that the folks that serve in our military (you know, those "round pegs and round holes") are among the most intelligent and well educated people in our society.

[pamagain]

Who said anything about intimidation and fear?

Oh yeah, for those of you who think that a "bootcamp" enviroment is a negative one, bear in mind that the folks that serve in our military (you know, those "round pegs and round holes") are among the most intelligent and well educated people in our society.

Bootcamp is all about intimidation......are you serious? LOL Bootcamp is all about givin power to another person/entity, teachin people to do what you are told WHEN you are told HOW you are told whether you agree with it or not. It'll work on kids yeah....but ME PERSONALLY/I think it's not the best or first way to go. So what?
Never said they weren't. Some of the most intelligent and well-educated people in the history of the world were also SQUARE pegs.

Just out of curiousity.......does your butt squeak when you walk?? You are way too anal about my opinions dude. We/You and Me are two different people with two different ways of operatin..........so? I hope you live a long and happy life with your bootcamp kids...more power to you.....I'll just be over here livin MY long happy life with my HOPEFULLY square peg kids and grandkids but if they turn out to think more to your side more power to em...I'll love em anyway LOL

[srkruzich]

Bootcamp is all about intimidation......are you serious? LOL Bootcamp is all about givin power to another person/entity, teachin people to do what you are told WHEN you are told HOW you are told whether you agree with it or not. It'll work on kids yeah....but ME PERSONALLY/I think it's not the best or first way to go. So what?
Never said they weren't. Some of the most intelligent and well-educated people in the history of the world were also SQUARE pegs.

Just out of curiousity.......does your butt squeak when you walk?? You are way too anal about my opinions dude. We/You and Me are two different people with two different ways of operatin..........so? I hope you live a long and happy life with your bootcamp kids...more power to you.....I'll just be over here livin MY long happy life with my HOPEFULLY square peg kids and grandkids but if they turn out to think more to your side more power to em...I'll love em anyway LOL

Most kids that go into the military have to be unlearned.  The schools and parents have filled them with so much crap that the military cannot do anything with them until they unlearn them and then bring them to a point so that they can be taught.
The few that actually do not have to be unlearned, usually become the leaders in that they can concentrate more on developing the skills that are present.  For example, Most kids these days can't handle a gun.  But those kids that have spent their childhood using a gun to hunt with, target practice, clean and maintain the gun, don't have to be retrained. They already possess shooting skills that the marines or army can refine into better shooting skills.  The rest they have to start from ground zero in teachin this is the end that kills you this is the end that kicks you.
this is just one example.  A bootcamp is about building teams.  People working together in sync.  To do that you have to get them all thinking alike and acting together but within their different abilities.   

Personally i really think that every kid coming out of school should serve in the military for at least 2 years.  The skills and the disclipine that the military gives would help them succeed in life, make them more confident. 
Speaking with the DS at my sons Graduation, he said that 90% of all recruits that come in are some of the most disfunctional, obstinate, illiterate, and messed up kids they have ever seen.  But they do succeed when the marines unlearn them. 

I remember josh got some of that unlearning training when they hit the gas chamber.  He made a wisecrack about something and the DI decided that he needed to do the chamber again, that he wasn't tearing up or puking enough from the first go round.

So bootcamp is not negative, it is what keeps the guys alive. and it is what makes them valuable in the work force later on.

So if it works in military you can set a school up to teach the basics of it and keep the kids learning. 

[jarhead]

Quote from Pam
Bootcamp is all about intimidation......are you serious? LOL Bootcamp is all about givin power to another person/entity, teachin people to do what you are told WHEN you are told HOW you are told whether you agree with it or not. It'll work on kids yeah....but ME PERSONALLY/I think it's not the best or first way to go. So what?



Pam,
You are right. Boot camp IS to make a person follow a command and do it without question and do it" NOW". There is a reason for that. In every firefight I was ever in within seconds of hitting the crap there were always calls of "guns up----radio up----corpsman up" and that meant NOW---not tomorrow---not next week---BUT NOW. And trust me---when I had this little petite body of mine tucked under a helmet and the call for "radio-up' came I did not get up from being brave. I did it because I was still scared that drill instructor was gonna boot me in the butt if I didn't react immediately .
You would love boot camp Pam, but not as much fun as the DI's would have with you. They love the rebellious, head strong type, that you come across as but in the end when they said jump you would ask how high ,on the way up ----just like I did.

[srkruzich]

Quote from Pam
Bootcamp is all about intimidation......are you serious? LOL Bootcamp is all about givin power to another person/entity, teachin people to do what you are told WHEN you are told HOW you are told whether you agree with it or not. It'll work on kids yeah....but ME PERSONALLY/I think it's not the best or first way to go. So what?



Pam,
You are right. Boot camp IS to make a person follow a command and do it without question and do it" NOW". There is a reason for that. In every firefight I was ever in within seconds of hitting the crap there were always calls of "guns up----radio up----corpsman up" and that meant NOW---not tomorrow---not next week---BUT NOW. And trust me---when I had this little petite body of mine tucked under a helmet and the call for "radio-up' came I did not get up from being brave. I did it because I was still scared that drill instructor was gonna boot me in the butt if I didn't react immediately .
You would love boot camp Pam, but not as much fun as the DI's would have with you. They love the rebellious, head strong type, that you come across as but in the end when they said jump you would ask how high ,on the way up ----just like I did.

ROTFL yeah that would be interesting. 

[pamagain]

  Jar I totally get why it is necessary in the military. Yeah I would EXCEL in bootcamp......challenge me and you bring out my best.

I had this big reply all typed out and then figured pffffftttttt....LOL I AM headstrong and I am rebellious.......you say that like it's a BAD thing! 


Srk....you have a bad habit of jumpin to the conclusion that if somebody disagrees with somethin it's because they don't know anything about it LOL and launch into a big lecture!

[jarhead]

Pam,
I was in no way saying being rebellious and head strong is a bad thing. Matter of fact I have been said to be like a Billy goat, myself. Something about a hard head and stinking ass !!!

[Varmit]

So, what is wrong with having children address teachers as Sir or Ma'am, Mr. or Mrs.?  Or having the students stand when answering or asking questions?  Whats wrong with requiring students to come to class with a presentable appearence (slacks and a collar shirt) not baggy jeans and t-shirts or the "hoochie" outfits for girls?  Or setting a high standard that requires actual work to achieve?  Implementing rules and disciplinary procedures that hold students accountable for their actions?

[Diane Amberg]

Varmit, nothing, but some parents (not most  teachers)  when it comes to dress, will tell you you are stifling the child's freedom to choose, and they do choose poorly sometimes. They feel as strongly about it as you do on your pick of freedoms  to protect. Remember the hissy fits over the flag tee shirts? Ya don't wear 'em it can't happen! The big school district here tried years ago to have a dress code and the parents went ballistic!  Personal freedom they yelled!  Pants dragging on the ground?  Butt crack showing? Not your (the school's) business.  Personal freedom ,has nothing to do with education, butt out!      It has been moderated  several times and it's much better now.  Sometimes the girls sneak extra clothes to school to change into and the parents don't know!  Uh, what's in those huge pack packs?  Can't search 'em   Personal freedom! ( I can assure you no school or parent here would be happy to see boys show up for graduation in jeans with holes!) 
  Standing to ask or answer questions is something else. Many of my own teachers did that and our really shy kids would rather take a failing grade than be in the center of attention like that.  It adds nothing to the child's education, but I think it's up to each school to decide. As far as form of address, that seems to be regional. Mr and Mrs. are used always here, but Ma'am and Sir, almost never.
I've got to share this with you. Last week at Newark Nite we were sitting at our booth and we heard an extremely angry voice and some serious crying. It seems this girl, who was maybe thirteen had gone to a friend house before they went to the street fair. She had changed into totally in appropriate clothes for anyone, let alone someone her age. She made the mistake of bumping into her mother,who she didn't know was going. Talk about screaming and yelling! The mother had her by the arm and was dragging the girl down the street last we saw of her. She'll probably be grounded until she's 30.