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I must agree with srkruzich, that at its core the Muslim religion was in founded as a totalitarian religious organization.
For a little background on its founder I recommend checking out this link
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/History.htm

While I do argue in favor of Muslims being able to become good Americans, I must also accept that it was founded on the ideals of one man who could not accept the ideals of others.  That said I also must included the following.

The First Amendment
The Constitution of the United States of America
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof:
While those who did come to this great land originally to worship the Lord as they wished.  Our founding fathers made so all peoples could practice their beliefs under the tree of liberty that the founders planted for all Americans to bask in its shade and taste of its sweet fruit.

@ Anmar "as a country, we are becoming nazis." Also "I know the original post is all a bunch of Nazi BS." I stand corrected.

It must be noted that many Muslim Americans (speaking on an individual basis mind you) understand that the teachings of the Koran were directed at those living at the time that it was written.  Therefore they find much of the hate filled diatribes obsolete and seek to follow those teachings that are applicable in to days "civilized" societies.  What I say obviously cannot encompass all followers of their faith and I would be ignorant to claim as such.  But somewhat like many preachers and pastors today, a large sect of muslim leaders (at least those in America anyway) seek to use the teachings that pertain today's lifestyles.  At least that's how it is described to me an infidel who follows the teachings of Christ who died for my sins so that I may know the love wonder and glory that is my God!

Varmit,  I applaud your thorough research and your points impossible to refute. Sadly the culture in the middle east such hatred and contempt for christians and all other non-muslims for that matter has disturbingly become a way of life for them. (Praise the Lord and thank you Jesus for letting me be born in this great land of ours.) But that said it I myself must follow the teachings of Christ and love thy neighbor, even when I don't agree with them.  Labeling all muslims as cruel and barbarous, would be akin to Anmar labeling my brothers and sisters of Elk County as Nazis.  All I can do is take my experiences with the few followers of Islam that I have met and base my responses on those experiences which have been good ones and the individual who answered the initial topics for me, I consider to a good person whom is worthy of trust and respect.

As for the when the laws of Islam contradict the Constitution of the United States of America.  America wins baby, it is the law of this land and must be adhered to if a person wants to live here.  But that's just my opinion.

With all the bad news coming out of Elk Valley High School I found this little golden nugget and thought to share it.  Boyd Koehn was award for his efforts in assisting others, much as he did when he taught at EVHS.

Good Day Alll,
After seeing this thread on the forum here I thought to myself, how would an actual Muslim, a member of the Nation of Islam, answer the questions on the opening statement?  So I went out and asked one and below are his replies to the statements made on the opening thread Can a Muslim be a Good American.


Can a good Muslim be a good American? Yes.



Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia.  Uh wrong, moon God ? seriuously?



ANSWER: Allah is merely the Arabic Word for God. Muslims derive their theology from the Judaeo Christian traditions. Same Adam and Eve, same David, sam Moses, same Lot, same Joseph, same Solomon, same Christ etc. There are a few key differences such as that muslims believe that God asked Abraham to sacrifice Ismail not Isaac as jews or christians believe. Also muslims believe in the maculate birth of Jesus and all his miracles but not in the trinity not in the crucifixion. Muslims believes in the same God as the Jews and Christians. In fact, arab christians often refer to God "the Father" as Allah.

Religiously - no. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)



ANSWER: Although there is ignorance everywhere and lack of education does create social structures that are full of bigotry, chauvinism and intolerance. Islam actually teaches tolerance of all faiths, races, creeds etc.

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.



ANSWERS: The Quran, actually is a book of God just like the Torah and the Gospel of Jesus. It is a Book of God that was revealed to Muhammad. 80% of the content of the Quran is actually the same as the Torah and the Bible. The five pillars of Islam stated below, are about what Muslim practice.


Kalima: The baring witness, or Shahada. In Arabic: La-Illaha-il Allah. Muhammad-u-rasool Allah. There is no God but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God.


Salaat: The five daily prayers that a muslim must perform three times a day. One before sunrise. Two while the sun is up and two after sunset.


Rooza: Fasting, No food or drink while the sun is up for 30 days during the month of Ramadan.


Zakaat: Charity


Hajj: A pilgrimage to Mecca all muslims must perform once in their life (if able).




So following the five pillars or the Quran doesn't conflict with being American.



Geographically - no . . . Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
prayer five times a day.



ANSWER: A Muslim American would have no more allegiance to Mecca than a Christian American would to Jerusalem or a Hindu American would to India. The turning towards Mecca is purely symbolic a means of feeling camaraderie among muslims.

Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.



ANSWER: There is no such rule. The prophet himself had friendships and treaties with Christians and Jews.

Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual Leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, The great Satan.



ANSWERS: It is true that there are ignorant mullas much like ignorant preachers in any religion. Educated muslim leaders do not preach destruction of America or Israel. Educated American muslims may have individual political ideas, but they are well within the range of rhetoric the Republicans and Democrats believe.

Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and
Beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )



ANSWER: There is no such compulsory instruction to be polygamous. There is allowance to marry more than one wife but there is a lot more to that allowance and most such allowances do not apply today. Even other religions have practiced polygamy when populations are threatened. It is wrong to quote specific versus from any book without context. All holy books are full of versus that in isolation sound very wrong.

Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.



ANSWERS: They may be based on the bible but the concepts in the constitution do not contradict any muslim doctrine, since many doctrines are shared anyway.

Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.



ANSWER: Both freedoms are allowed so long as societal norms such as decency etc. are maintained. There are many muslim countries practicing democracy, such as Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh etc.

Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 Excellent names.


ANSWER: Once again same God. Some of the 99 Names of God AKA attributes of GOD are listed below, source wikipedia:
Al-Wadūd MEANS The Loving
Al-Waliyy MEANS The Friend, Patron and Helper
Al-Barr MEANS The Good
Al-Latīf MEANS The Gentle, The Subtly Kind
As-Salām MEANS The Peace and Blessing, The Source of Peace and Safety.
Ar-Rahim MEANS The Merciful
Ar-Rahmān MEANS The Compassionate, The Beneficent, The Gracious