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You know absolutely nothing about Shari.  You said you would list your place in Wichita. No one ever said Doug did a bad job. There is a difference between sarcasm and hatefulness, and you continually cross the line.

You are so right Nancy.  Just the comments to you, me and Frank this afternoon prove he has no idea that there is a line between sarcasm and hatefulness, let alone which side of it he is on.

I am reposting this for one reason and one reason only, to let everyone know exactly what Ross is before someone calls him on this post and he deletes it.  This is what those of us who used to use this Forum as a way to communicate have had to put up with ever since Ross joined it and made it his personal bully-pulpit.



Dear, dear Joesue23 of Caney, KS,

Your first post (below) on the forum and you have got to bash and bully and be extremely negative. Nice job!
Your second post above and yu are an expert on Elk County. Good job!

Quote from: Joesue23 on June 24, 2014, 09:40:44 am

How did Elk County end up with so many nut cases like this Ross and Redcliff. There must be some loco weed getting in your water system.

Quote from: ROSS on Today at 01:48:45 pm

Whose got the loco weed, I mean just look at your handle --- Joesue23 what is that.
Is it Joe or Sue?
Is it an indication of bisexuality?
Or is it an indication of a transvite?
THIS IS YOUR VERY FIRST POST AND LOOK HOW NEGATIVE YOU ARE!
You shouldn't be so negative in your posts.
Perhaps call your self Mr or Ms negativity or just call yourself, nasty person! Sic. LOL

Don't you want to live in Elk County?

Tit for tat! ROFLMAO !

I am just asking what Joesue is?And I noticed you are feigning ignorance by not responding to any of those questions I asked!

One more compound question is Shari Kaminska your momma and did you abandon Elk County like she did?

Just asking.

It's so sweet of you to use your very two first post addressing me.

Thank you.

TTFN

Hey Ross, why don't you call up the Garfield and Grant County Oklahoma treasurers and ask them how much property tax revenue has made it's way into their office from the Chisholm View wind project.

Wait, I'll save you the dime.  The answer is $0.00!  And the answer will remain the same for five years. 

Why would that be? 

Because Oklahoma abates the ad valorem taxes on wind power development for five years. 

So for five years the owners of the Chisholm View wind farm will be collecting their state level production tax credit from the state (to the tune of $2.5 - 3.0 million, give or take a hundred thou or so) without paying a dime to the local counties, township road districts, school districts, fire districts, conservation districts, etc.

[3 million dollars]

I am very hesitant to post anything on this Forum anymore, but I must respond to something that Ross continues to post in an attempt to disparage the Payment In Lieu of Taxes (PILOT) that a previous board of county commissioners (none of whom are now on the board) negotiated with the developer of the Caney River Wind Project.

The same wind farm company, with an identical size wind farm in Oklahoma is paying 3 million dollars to that community.

TradeWind Energy was under no legal obligation to pay one penny in taxes to any entity with taxing authority over the land involved in the wind farm constructed in Elk County.  The current owner of the windfarm, Enel Green Power North America, has no legal obligation to pay one penny in taxes to any entity in Elk County either.  This is because wind farm development is exempted from ad valorem taxes in the state of Kansas.

At the Chisholm View Wind Project in north-central Oklahoma, also developed by Trade Wind Energy and owned by Enel, the project is subject to ad valorem taxation, as the state of Oklahoma has not exempted wind power development from property taxes.  I do not know the valuation method applied to the project, or the mill levies that have been assessed by the myriad of taxing authorities across the two-county area, but multiple newspaper accounts have placed the total amount of property taxes to be generated by the project in the $3,000,000 range.

So, it is a clear apples to oranges comparison.

When you compare apples to apples - the PILOT negotiated by commissioners Jontra, Hendricks, and McDonald versus the PILOT terms that apply to all of the other wind farm developments across Kansas - Elk County is receiving the highest amount per MW.  And the taxpayers and citizens of Elk County are receiving the benefits of this superior PILOT through the mill-levy reduction and spending flexibility the current board of commissioners enjoy.

Now some may say (I'm sure Ross would) that the project in Oklahoma is still benefiting the local taxing authorities more than the Caney River project is.  That is true, but there is one other thing to take into account.  The property taxes being paid by the Chisholm View project are underwritten by all of the taxpayers of the state of Oklahoma

Let me repeat that.  The property taxes being paid by the Chisholm View project are underwritten by all of the taxpayers of the state of Oklahoma.

How?  Through a state level Zero-Emission Facilities Production Tax Credit (PTC), not to be confused with the federal level production tax credit which some (but not all) wind farms in the United States receive.

The amount of the state of Oklahoma PTC will cover most if not all of the $3,000,000 figure that is so often printed as the amount of ad valorem tax generated by the Chisholm View project.

So, just how much might this state level PTC (which can be carried forward, is freely transferable, and 85% of which is refundable at the tax-payers discretion) be worth to Enel and/or Trade Wind for the Chisholm View project?

Let's do the math.  The project has an installed face-plate capacity of 235 MW.  The PTC is earned at the rate of $0.0050/kWh, that's half a penny per kWh.

Half a penny?!  That's not very much, right?  Depends on how many half-pennies you generate in a years time!  235 MW capacity is 235,000 kW/hr.  235,000 times 24 hours times 365 days equals 2,058,600,000 kWh per year.

But wait!  The blades don't turn 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.  Right!  Need to factor in a parameter called capacity factor, which is the actual output over a period of time as a proportion of a wind turbine or facility's maximum capacity.  I have not seen a published capacity factor for the Chisholm View project, but based on the project's location, would expect it to be at or above the national average which varies from year to year within a range of 25-27 percent.  For the sake of argument and easy math, let's use the low end and cut our production figure in fourths. 

So, that's 514,650,000 kwh times the PTC of $.005 per kWh for a total PTC of $2,573,250.

If the capacity factor of the project proves to be say 30%, then the PTC will be $3,087,900.

Either way, the PTC will cover most if not all of the local ad valorem taxes due from the project.

The state shows enrollment for 2011 at 334 students.
The state shows enrollment for 2012 at 326 Students. A 9.8% decline from 2011.
The School principal stated they have an enrollment this year at 319. A 9.8% decline from 2012.
Do you see the decline in enrollment?
How about a math teacher check my math for me, please. I think I may have made an error, even though I keep getting the same answer.

I checked your math, and it is in error.  334-326=8   8/334=.02395 or 2.40%      326-319=7  7/326=.0215 or 2.15%

I'm not a math teacher, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

"The crucial difference between having a preconceived notion — we all do that, of course — and conspiratorial thinking is when you get into that self-sealing reasoning and ignore every piece of evidence that is pointing the other way, when you're starting to broaden the circle of conspirators, and when your skepticism gets to be nihilistic — when you believe absolutely nothing that the government or the media is saying — that's when you've crossed the line."

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_believe_in_conspiracy_theories/

Hey Ross, don't look now but somebody is impersonating Dr. Phil.  Better jump on him!

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      The only kind of artist you are " jackson " is a con - artist.

    I have no doubt , however, that you may be bi-polar and have had Jungian therapy.

Pro - Ross doesn't answer questions, he only asks them, and yet he berates those who don't answer what he asks. 

And I sure like his bassackwards logic that if someone doesn't refute what he says, then it must be true.  Yet, when someone does have the tanacity to present factual information that does prove his statement wrong, he just acts like the post never happened and deflects to some other grandiose conspiracy and/or supposed governmental malfesence statement, in the form of a question of course. 

Let me beat Ross to the punch.  It's somehow Elk Konnected's fault the city has to go to this expense, right?  After all they were just trying to take care of a blight on the main street, right?   

Gee, for a owner/moderator of this Forum that states she does not take sides, it sure is blatently obvious whose side she is on.

Funny how it's OK for certain people to question everything a group of forward thinking, civic minded citizens do, insinuating wrong doing at every turn yet proving nothing, while those who question the questioners get beat down by the moderator.

About as Fair and Balanced as Faux News.