I just overspent my Visa allowance for this month and bought myself some roses. Now I need some advice on the best way to plant them. I have planted roses before, some successfully, some not so. What do you think is the best way to plant roses?
IN THE GROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, Wilma, I just couldn't let that one slip by. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Larryj
I plant mine in fertile ground (even if I have to import it), then apply good Miracle Gro or something similar. I also use an inexpensive fungicide to spray on the leaves. That helps keep away the black spots. And most importantly, I spread Rose Food granules around the base of the plant to keep disease and insects away.
But I'm no rose expert. Just sharing our flower garden experiences.
I expected that from you, Larry. That's why I left it open. Thanks, Rudy.
Pick an area with almost full sun if possible and about 18'' apart, or more. For me, I plant about 18 '' deep or about to where the graft knuckle is. Nice big hole in good or amended soil, well drained. Make a pointed mound of soil in the hole and spread the roots out over it pressing down firmly but gently to hold in place. Cover up to the knuckle, dishing the dirt a little to hold water. I prune back to the first set of five leaves that face outward, if there are leaves present. Water in thoroughly and often until they settle in. Try not to wet the leaves. I'm sure others have tips better for Kansas specifically. Do you have Japanese beetles out there? We do and lots of black spot too. For fertilizer, I do as Rudy does and use a systemic black spot preventer also.
I didn't know about the systemic black spot preventer. I have to go back to the nursery anyway. After placing the roses about where I want them, I can see that I can use 4 or 5 more.
Oh Wilma --- sounds like you received some very good advice ( all except Larry of course lol )
I hope they thrive and do well for you.
WHAT???????????? ??? ??? ??? ???
You can do all that other stuff mentioned above, but you still gotta put it IN THE GROUND!!!!!!!!
On a sidenote; When my Grandmother Andrews was alive, she had one specific rose bush on the south side of the house. After she passed, the house was torn down (by Bill Redmond, I suspect} and the rose bush was moved to his house near the fence on the east side of his house. On my last visit there, I took a cutting and tried to get it home, but it died. It was a mostly symbolic thing as we have all the roses we need. I suppose it is still there if it still lives. My Grandmother died in 1962 so it is a very old rose bush if it is still alive. Just some old memories.
Larryj
What kind and what color? Janet lives just across the alley from where Bill lived until he moved to his aunt's house. She lives on S. Pennsylvania. I don't know the name of the street where he lived. Or maybe he was living somewhere else at the time. I have never tried a cutting, but I know how to dig up things.
I always dug a small trench along side of the existing bush and laid a limb of the bush in it, covered it with soil. There would be a new bush come up from that, and I would transplant it. If the bush is still there, some one ( I would if you want) can do that for you - or at least try. If there was a new start, then it would be safely mailed to you.
Jo
Thank you, ladies, for your input. I should have been a little more specific. At the time of my last visit (2002), Bill was living in what was my Aunt Mary Ellen Snodderley's house which I looked at on Google Earth this morning. The house appears to be on the NE corner of N. Wabash and W. Illinois. My Grandmother lived on Pennsylvania just north of Randolph and just north of the school that was/is there.
As far as sending a rose, California authorities frown on anything organic crossing the state lines. And, like I said, we have plenty of roses in our yard, red, white, purple, double-delight, etc. Bringing home the cutting was just a symbolic gesture because Bill Redmond told me that it would grow. Of course, in my awe and adoration for him, I would believe him if he told me my leg would grow back should I cut it off!
As far as the kind and color, I don't know what kind, but I am pretty sure it was red.
As far as Bill's house on the south side of town, my son and I attended a reunion in 1991 or 1992 (memory gets a little fuzzy sometimes) along with many cousins. Bill had poured a concrete pad for those who came with their trailers and 5th wheels.
Just memories,
Larryj
Larry, I love memories about Bill and Aunt Bernadine and Mary Ellen(I think) Snodderly. I only knew Mary Ellen through Star, but she was such a lovely person, pretty much like Aunt Bernadine.
Maybe Jo could start a cutting for you and you could come back and get it and smuggle it in.
We once brought home some cactus from Arizona and didn't give it a second thought. Of course, we weren't checked anywhere. We were just waved on through. What harm would a couple of old people be up to?
Oh Wilma~Don't sell us short....surely we aren't so "aged" that we couldn't get into a wee bit of mischief.
On second thought, can it wait a while, I have a lot to do in the next few weeks. :laugh:
We weren't so old at the time. Neither of us had retired yet.
To the contrary, Wilma, the older folks are the ones who get stopped at the check points here in California. We are the only ones who feel the need to transport fruits and vegetables as well as plants from other states. Of the times, I have been stopped there, I have been asked where I am coming from. I have learned to say that I was visiting someone in Needles or somewhere else inside the state and then they wave you on. However, the last few times I have been through the checkpoint they have just waved me through. If I am carrying, say a bag of apples or oranges, I have learned to keep the receipt to show that they were purchased in a store and not picked by the side of the road. Even if you have a plant that you picked up somewhere in another state, then they just pull you over to the side and inspect the plant to make sure it is healthy and not full of bugs or disease. If they are unsure of the quality of that plant, they throw it away for you so you won't have to bother disposing of it yourself which I think is rather nice of them.
On my initial entry into California in 1965, I was stopped mostly because it was a slow day and there was nobody behind me. It was kind of a cloudy day and I asked, in a joking manner, why the sun wasn't shining in sunny California. To which, the older state inspector replied that the sun shone 364 days a year and I just happened arrive on day number 365.
Larryj
The inspections were started because of the boll weavils that did so much damage to the cotton crops. They have had them as long as I can remember.
OK, thanks to you kind folks, I decided on a process for planting my roses and now have three of them in the ground. My next problem is that I want to mulch them. What do you think I should use and how? Larry, I know it has to go on the ground around the rose bushes. But, thanks anyway.
AAAHHHH, Wilma, you just took the fun right out of my day. ;D ;D ;D
Larryj
Diane, do you think a root stimulant for my roses would be a good idea? They are all planted now except for the ones I have yet to get. My handyman finished them yesterday, did the manure in the bottom, potting soil to bring it up to the right depth, potting soil to fill in around the root ball, then finished with a small dam around each one to keep the water from running away. Looks quite professional out there. Her Royal Highness has the prettiest pink blossom that I am going to cut after awhile. JFK has been lovely and Julia is just out of this world with her fragrance. Cracklin Fire might be the most brilliant as to color.
I've never bothered with anything but regular slow release rose fertilizer and the systemic black spot and insecticide. If we have long spells of really wet weather I may have to spray for black spot too. A few of mine are getting shaded out and I don't have as many here as we had at our previous house. My pink peace looks good but Lavender Girl needs to pep up some .It looks a little skimpy. I need to replace Mr. Lincoln and JFK. I had Portrait and Queen Elizabeth, Perfume Delight and Double Delight, Golden Showers and Blaze and others at the other house. I grew up quite close to Conard and Pyle ( Star Roses) and mom knew both families. I loved going out to wander through the acres and acres of the "living catalog."( I was really sad when they stopped selling retail and went to all wholesale.) We used to go to "Red Rose Rent Day" almost every year.
My parents house had a sloping hillside down one side of their longish driveway that was planted all in "Fairy" It was quite something to see when it bloomed. It's picture was taken several times over the years to use in the rose catalog. I think the oldest Star rose we ever had was planted in 1948, called Little Miss Muffet. My sister may have it yet. I think she dug it up when we sold the place.
Since I am afraid of over fertilizing, I think I will just stick to what you said. I still need to look into the systemic black spot thing. I know it is here as my other roses were affected last year. All I have ever done for it is to try to pick off the affected leaves and keep it cleaned up.
My mother had a Queen Elizabeth (Her Royal Highness) that bloomed up a storm every year. I hope mine will do the same. JFK is really magnificent this afternoon. I hate to cut the only blossom that is on the bush, but I have read that you should cut them when the bushes are newly planted so the plant can concentrate on developing roots and getting settled.
Just a reminder, if you use any pesticide, even the fertilomes which are considered organic, it contains pyrethrins in it. When you use any pesticide, whether or not its organic or chemical, use a respirator if your spraying or dusting. Also make sure to cover arms and use gloves. The sprays will absorb into your skin as well as eyes, and through your nose.
My mom was in the hospital the other day with a nosebleed that she couldn't stop. She lost about a pint of blood. We figured it out after i got to her house and saw the empty bottle of fertilome rose spray on the counter. She had sprayed the roses with it that day. She sprayed without a mask and was in a hurry so didn't use gloves or shirt over her arms and sprayed upwards to get the tops of her roses. The spray came back down on her and absorbed in her skin and caused the capillaries in her nose to dialate and break.
I'm a PITA when it comes to chemical use, organic or non organic in that i always fuss when someone doesn't use proper safety equipment. To use chemicals you need a niosh respirator and a box of thoses surgical gloves are good enough to prevent exposure. Eye protection is a must too and will save your eyes since the chemicals can and will cause capillaries in the eyes to break.
I made some inquiries and was referred to Bayer Advanced All-in-One Rose & Flower Care. 3 Systemic Products in 1. It would seem to take care of all problems, but being systemic, it raised some questions. I know systemic means being taken up in the roots and spread through the stems and leaves and that whatever insects feed on it will die. Fine for the bad insects. But what about the good insects, like bees and butterflies that feed on the nectar or the lady bugs and praying mantis that feed on other insects? Do I have anything to worry about here or am I just being overly cautious? Until I get some answers, none of this is going on my plants. In fact, I am going to take it back and tell them of my concerns.
Diane, do you know of a black spot preventive that wouldn't be harmful to our friendly insects?
Wilma, my husband used to spray the roses with water that had a small amount of dawn dish soap in it. Not sure what bugs he was spraying for but he had beautiful roses. I haven't killed all of them yet but they sure don't look like they did when he took care of them.
That would be for mealy bugs or aphids. It does work. Just a little dish soap with water and spray.
I did some quick checking and will be at Alexander's, our local garden store tomorrow and ask a few more questions. The Ortho fungicide I usually use says it won't harm pollinators and the systemic doesn't either, but I'll ask again tomorrow. Good questions! The stream of water and a bit of soap breaks the mouth parts on aphids. Sometimes I just squish them.
Yuck. I like the spray better than squish. I do need to get out and try to get the yard looking better. I have about two-thirds of it mowed for the first time this season and need to get the rest done. Already mowed one section twice and it is ready again. Need to get some mulch for the two flower beds I have left.
Quote from: Wilma on May 02, 2010, 05:15:43 PM
I made some inquiries and was referred to Bayer Advanced All-in-One Rose & Flower Care. 3 Systemic Products in 1. It would seem to take care of all problems, but being systemic, it raised some questions. I know systemic means being taken up in the roots and spread through the stems and leaves and that whatever insects feed on it will die. Fine for the bad insects. But what about the good insects, like bees and butterflies that feed on the nectar or the lady bugs and praying mantis that feed on other insects? Do I have anything to worry about here or am I just being overly cautious? Until I get some answers, none of this is going on my plants. In fact, I am going to take it back and tell them of my concerns.
Diane, do you know of a black spot preventive that wouldn't be harmful to our friendly insects?
You are right, systemic means it goes through the capillaries of the plant. it is in its system. It contains tebuconazole which is a low hazard to birds, bees and other beneficial insects.
The msds safety sheet says that you need to wear protective gear to spray this. gloves, goggles, clothing to cover skin as much as possible and a respirator. While not lethal it can cause some serious side effects.
If it is so bad for the person using it, why isn't it bad for the bees and butterflies that feed off the flowers?
Quote from: Wilma on May 03, 2010, 09:12:22 PM
If it is so bad for the person using it, why isn't it bad for the bees and butterflies that feed off the flowers?
It is bad for bees fish and birds. Not sure about butterflys though.
Its considered low risk to bees birds and fish. But still if they get into it it will kill them. The reason its low is it will kill the bee or butterfly that gets on it but it won't kill the beehive. since this is systemic it is in the plant and not a powder that can coat the bee and be carried back to the hive where it kills the other bees. Sevin dust is one such pesticide that will kill a entire bee hive by a few bees bringing back sevin into the hive on their legs and body.
Being that this spray is systemic it is in the plant itself so no way for them to bring back the pesticide into the hive and the other bees get contamiated by it.
Quote from: Wilma on May 03, 2010, 09:12:22 PM
If it is so bad for the person using it, why isn't it bad for the bees and butterflies that feed off the flowers?
I'm sorry i didn't answer your question really,
Uhm good reasoning! Most of our pesticides are a chemical copy of a plant that is on earth. Some of the plants bees and butterflys will not touch. these are the plants with pyrethrins.
That rose spray contains 3 things in it. the one i pointed out its danger is a fungicide. That doesn't necessarily kill critters other than disease type spores. Fungicides kill off things like powdery mildew and such.
the second ingredient on the bottle is another chemical compound called Imidacloprid. It is the insecticide i think.
At any rate the MSDS safety sheets have this warning in them
Caution! Hazards to humans and domestic animals. Causes moderate eye
irritation. This product is highly toxic to aquatic invertebrates.
I know from experience, that their testing is on rats and such, and while the test doesn't kill the rat, it doesn't mean that it won't cause some serious problems with humans especially if their body isn't 100%.
This product is probably one of the "safer" solutions.
You know even the organics will cause people problems. Like i said earlier mom was using pyrethrins based spray for her roses. Basically they are concentrated mums in a bottle. As far as the butterflys, spray when they are not around. thats the only thing i can suggest.
I want you to know that i do have a license to use and apply pesticides. I went to school for horticulture propagation and part of that course was in pesticides. I used to be anti pesticides til that course. there is a time and place for them, but most of them today are so overused that its hurting our world and even our own bodies.
I don't use any on my farm here. I can offer one tip that might help. IF you use a soluable powder type pesticide on your roses, mix it with water and spray on. the water will keep powders from being taken back to beehives or nests of the insects that come in contact with them. It will kill the insects pretty fast there at the sites. Personally i only would use the pesticides in a greenhouse where thrips, whiteflys and other pita bugs thrive and attack plants.
Outside of a greenhouse, you have different bugs that attack like japanese beetles. Those can be controlled with other means that are not harmful to anyone. Roses are one hard plant to get to look good and thrive, but my grandpa used to grow them and never sprayed anything on them. All he used to do was to make sure they got cow manure around them several times a year and fish heads and guts when we went fishing. today you can buy fish emulsion instead of the guts lol and that is awesome stuff for plants. IF you keep them fed like that the plants can defend themselves better without spraying.
My concern is with the systemic control. Will the pesticides contained in it be harmful to bees and butterflies that feed on the nectar?
Quote from: Wilma on May 04, 2010, 07:05:21 AM
My concern is with the systemic control. Will the pesticides contained in it be harmful to bees and butterflies that feed on the nectar?
It will probably kill those that feed on it. But it won't carry to their nest or hives.
After some research and phone calls I finally got a good answer about today's systemic insecticides. They are now recommending against using them on bed roses, just potted roses that are indoors, or in greenhouses. You were right on the money with your thoughts.Today's systemics are indeed indiscriminate killers which "may" kill good bugs too. They said the insecticide doesn't pass into the nectar because of the size of the molecules, so in theory bees and butterflies would be OK, but why risk it? I have so many flowers here that butterflies like better than roses that I might still get away with it, but I don't want to risk my lady bugs either. No more systemic bug killers for me! You saved me some money! They say the systemics that are fungicides / and or fertilizer are still fine. I learned some new stuff too! I'll just have to kill the Japanese beetles another way or catch them by hand again like I did last year. I didn't have very many so I just knocked them into a container of soapy water. I've never been big into chemicals at best, but a few I will use if I have to, like the Pyrethrins.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 04, 2010, 11:40:54 AM
After some research and phone calls I finally got a good answer about today's systemic insecticides. They are now recommending against using them on bed roses, just potted roses that are indoors, or in greenhouses. You were right on the money with your thoughts.Today's systemics are indeed indiscriminate killers which "may" kill good bugs too. They said the insecticide doesn't pass into the nectar because of the size of the molecules, so in theory bees and butterflies would be OK, but why risk it? I have so many flowers here that butterflies like better than roses that I might still get away with it, but I don't want to risk my lady bugs either. No more systemic bug killers for me! You saved me some money! They say the systemics that are fungicides / and or fertilizer are still fine. I learned some new stuff too! I'll just have to kill the Japanese beetles another way or catch them by hand again like I did last year. I didn't have very many so I just knocked them into a container of soapy water. I've never been big into chemicals at best, but a few I will use if I have to, like the Pyrethrins.
Remember the pyrethrins will kill bees. Uhmm there is a product that you can use for jap beetles.... milky spore is what its called. takes 2 years for it to be effective. Milky spore works on the grubs that hatch into jap beetles. what happens is the grubs will hatch, and the jap beetles that hatch from grubs treated with milky spore can't reproduce. Its a good way to kill them off.
Do not use jap beetle traps. All taht happens is that you attract them from everywhere around your yard but your yard.
Thank you, Diane, that is the answer I was looking for. My instincts were right and my bottle of 3 in 1 systemic is going back to the store. I will continue to look for systemic black spot preventer.
I hope this information will help others to not use something that is potentially harmful to the harmless. Incidentally, I saw a hummingbird sampling a rose the other day. I sure wouldn't want to hurt them.
Wilma, if you are still looking for a systemic for blackspot, I received an email from Arnolds' greenhouse in Leroy Kansas this morning and they had a section on Fertilome systemic for blackspot. Arnolds is an awesome place to visit, it would be perfect for you and your chair, wide open aisles, friendly staff. PM me if you would like that email forwarded to you.
Hey Steve,when we moved to this house in 1989 a bunch of us neighbors got together to try to do something about the awful Japanese beetle problem. We all put out traps and caught many thousands The following year we still had huge numbers, so we kept the traps out and also put down Milky Spore under the traps and everywhere the buggers liked best, like my ferns, roses and later Harry Lauder's Walking Stick. It took a big effort for 5 years but we were finally able to break the cycle. We still get a few each year but nothing like it used to be. Now we're being harassed by those brown stink bugs.They keep getting in the house and I'm getting tired of seeing them on the walls.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 07, 2010, 01:21:23 PM
Hey Steve,when we moved to this house in 1989 a bunch of us neighbors got together to try to do something about the awful Japanese beetle problem. We all put out traps and caught many thousands The following year we still had huge numbers, so we kept the traps out and also put down Milky Spore under the traps and everywhere the buggers liked best, like my ferns, roses and later Harry Lauder's Walking Stick. It took a big effort for 5 years but we were finally able to break the cycle. We still get a few each year but nothing like it used to be. Now we're being harassed by those brown stink bugs.They keep getting in the house and I'm getting tired of seeing them on the walls.
Milky spore is the best way to get rid of them. SOMETIMES you can get some assistance from the ag department with obtaining the milky spore to put down.
BUt it takes a lot of work to break the cycle. Another way of getting rid of jap beetles is have chickens. They eat the grubs in the ground :D
Unfortunately we aren't allowed to have chickens here. ( Ducks work well too) Newark may ease up on the no chicken rule on properties of 1/2 acre or more, but we only have a bit more than a third.
I couldn't live where they banned chickens or critters. I'd tell the PTB to kiss off
Remember that rose garden that I bought for myself a couple of months ago? Well, here is part of it. The rest have bloomed and gone for the time being, although they are showing new buds. I took this through the screen of the bedroom window. The small smudge in the lower right hand corner is the fog that kept creeping over the lens of a cool camera being held in a very warm, humid breeze. I seem to have done almost everything right except one. I am thinking that I should have cut off the first buds and waited for the second ones, forcing the roots to become more established before having to support blossoms.
Sorry, that was the first picture I took while the pink roses were still blooming. I will try to get the right one with the orange rose blooming.
Nice, Wilma................you obviously have done all of the right things to have so many beautiful roses!
Very nice Wilma! I am totally jealous! :D
Your rose garden is very pretty. I am sure you will get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
My husband always cut the stems back just past the first set of five leaves and that made the stems sturdier for the new blooms and encouraged longer stems.
He always used epson salt around his bushes along with Miracle Gro when he watered. I just watch them die.
The information I have on roses mentions epsom salts and even says how much. Now I would like to know if anybody else has done this and what the results were.
Ms. Bear, do you know how your husband applied the epsom salts and what he thought of the results? I am trying to cut back to the five leaves. The excessive amount of water we have had and the excessive humidity is making the stems grow too fast, but the roses love it. They are blooming, then setting new buds almost immediately. Sometimes even before the previous blossoms are gone.
Well, I'll share but I suspect someone will criticize me for it. I use my father's recipe 1 TBL per gal. of water or in a rainy season 1 TBL sprinkled around the drip line of the roses. He did the same for his day lilies and he had hundreds of them. Epsom salts provide a boost of magnesium which most plants love. I'm not sure how often he did, it but I do once in the spring and once in early summer.
Wilma, the amount Diane mentioned sounds about right. He always just put it on dry and then watered, it would take a few waterings to dissolve it and didn't hurt anything if it stayed on the ground. He usually put it on about once a month here doing the whole yard and flower beds.
I am on vacation this week so am going to try to get some on just by broadcasting it by hand, don't have enough patience to walk with spreader. The grass is still green from all the rain we have had but I have some really bare spots, need to try to give them some extra attention.
You must have good drainage where the roses are because they don't like wet "feet". The roots like to get dry between waterings. My roses did great in Arizona but I don't have very good luck here. At least I have grass here. The difference is in Arizona you water daily and mow once a week or less and here in Texas you water once a month and mow daily.
What colors of roses did you get? I have an orange one with small bloom and it is really pretty. Have not had very good luck with yellow ones though.
I have three pink ones, Queen Elizabeth, Tiffany and Falling in Love; a yellow one, Ch-Ching; three that are shades of cream, Julia Childs, Over the Moon and Brass Band; one white one, John F. Kennedy and one orange one, Salmon Sunspace. The orange one is just like fire when the sun hits it. Then there are the miniature roses: Cracklin' Fire, orange; Starla, white; Sun Sprinkles, yellow; Gingerbread Man, yellow and Wildfire, orange.
The drainage is fairly good except when it rains 8 inches in two days, then it takes a little longer. They are loving the humidity, but the blossoms aren't as big as they will be later when it is cooler.
With all that rain how are you handling the black spot. I mean the roses, ;D not you personally.
Not good. It appeared almost overnight. I have picked off all infected leaves and sprayed with a fungicide. This morning I can see one leaf that needs to be picked but with the rain we had yesterday afternoon, I couldn't get to the bush. My wheels just sink into the soft, wet soil. There wasn't any problem when the wind was blowing good, but lately it has been quiet and sultry and muggy and like a sauna out there.
We are having the muggies too. I can't keep up either.
Ugh! it is so hot and humid; when I step outside, my glasses immediately fog over. Ewwww---! :P
Why, it's so muggy here my eyes fog over! ;)
OMG! LOL!!!! ;D ;D
Then there are those of us who live in a fog all the time! ;D :D ;)
:)At least I have an excuse. With fibromalgia we get Fibro fog.............and believe me some days
if you handed me a piece of paper with a simple sentence on it and said "read this" I would be
able to read it, but would not get the message. It isn't funny having it. But, I do have to laugh at
myself. This is one form of the confusion I get when the pain is more accute than usual.
Have a good day and God bless
Jude
We had a lot of rain yesterday and I spent the night at friends house in East Texas and went out this morning to take pictures in her yard and the camera lens fogged up. Sure was nice and cool in the house though.
I've found the best way to grow roses out here is to mound up compost and plant them in that and the best stuff for black spot which seems to be really prevalent out here is Bayer All-in-one rose. It feeds, and has a fungicide and an insecticide. You water the bush with it and it's systemic. I've had awesome success with my roses this year, even one that started to get black spot.
Janet took this picture yesterday of my morning glories out by the alley. Two years ago I had morning glories there and last year I planted again. But last year they were eaten off by the baby bunny that grew up in my back yard. This year my daughter planted again and this time no little babies found them. They are pretty from the east window of my house, too.
Beautiful! Heavenly Blue?
That is so pretty Wilma.
Plenty of sun and water them only at the base, don't wet the leaves or they will get rust. Also if you see a black stem, cut it off, these are rose boaring insects. I did test growing for Jackson Perkins and Kansas is the hardest place to try to grow them.
Wilma, They are so lovely. They make you feel good just to look at them. Thanks for sharing. Barbara
Here is some of the flowers that I have still growing.
Dale, they are very pretty. I heard you had a green thumb! We just moved several things inside, as it is rumored that we could have a frost tonight. If it gets as cold as is predicted, we just might. We still have several things in bloom, including the moon flowers. It was so hot this summer, that they really didn't get very pretty until the past couple of weeks.
Thanks for sharing.
Myrna
Those are so pretty. Those are the kind of cock's comb that my mother used to have. Hers were about twice the size of yours. Must have been a little different variety. Hers came up year after year. Do yours?
Myrna, we had lot of frost on the grass this morning I'm sure will have a heavier frost in the morning. My garden and flowers didn't do very good this year because of the heat and lack of rain.
Wilma, the Cocks Comb reseeds and you have thin them out, this bunch is in my Moss Rose bed and I didn't pull all of them out but I did leave too many and they took over the Moss Rose plants. These are the smaller variety that don't grow too tall because of the wind I have here.
When Bud Scott was the U.S.D. #282 bus supervisor, he planted Cocks Comb around the bus barn at the high school. I don't know if it still comes up or not.
Thank you all so much for asking how my roses are doing.
They are doing beautifully. They look really good and are heavily budded. I counted 23 buds on one of them yesterday. Some of the miniature roses are blooming. Can't wait for the others. I have added a Pope John Paul II to my collection. Don't have him in the ground yet, but hopefully soon.
Old coffee grounds (not decaf) and/or crushed egg shells will help give them the nutrients. ready
I have always been a weird duck about roses.. I hate them! I don't like mowing around them.. I don't like the stickers...so when I moved in here I mowed every single one down.. There were 3.. Well... they just sprouted back up ..and the first year I mowed them all back down.. Finally 2 years ago.. I let them come up.. I made peace with them.. apologized for being mean to them and they are growing crazy.. the one in front is budding like crazy .. the one in the flower bed blooms almost until November,and the one on the back clothes line is HUGE and already has a zillion buds on it.. So.... I am happy that I am no longer a mean rose bush owner and the roses are happy because I am nice.. LOL LOL (( I will give them some coffee grounds and egg shells as a treat).. ;D
I need some help. As most of you know we are under a severe heat wave. My roses are suffering. The first bloom this spring was beautiful. Since then, the heat has been destroying the blossoms and sometimes the buds. And they are staying small. I have watered and fertilized but I can't seem to beat the heat. My questions are, how do I take care of them during this severe heat, ditto, ditto, ditto? That is 4 questions. Please answer all of them. May be the heat is affecting more than the roses?
Ease up on the fertilizer..........you don't want to burn them up faster.
Yes, the heat is going to fry most of our gardens. If you can keep them watered, but not drowning in it.
Like us, we (and plants) need a drink....but when the drought gets too bad, mother nature knows best and shuts their
growing factors down to just maintaining.
I hope you mulched well and maybe if they are not in shade, you can help with some shade. Not too much or they will fry.
Hang in there Wilma.......the only thing I have producing anything is my cukes. I have a bed behind a storage garage that gets morning and afternoon sun, but are shelded from south......and they are producing like mad. I haven't picked any yet, but if the size of the leaves and all the blooms mean anything I will have cukes. Now, if I remember right if Mother Nature doesn't provide rain, they may not taste good with just watering from a hose.
Ok, at least I know I can grow something.....Starting to run off at the keyboard. Got a huge dose of cabin-fever and have shut up the apartment all ready today. Stay cool!
Usually roses like the heat and love water, but I think yours just don't like it that hot. I suspect they will recover on their own when it gets a little cooler. Other than water as usual I don't have any other suggestions. As Judy says ,don't overdo the fertilizer.
I don't remember seeing these tips in print, so consider the source: ;D
Don't water plants directly with chlorinated tap water. Fill a five gallon bucket (or barrel) with water from the hose, then let it set for a day. Then use that water on your garden or flowers. Or better yet, utilize a rain barrel set-up to catch rain-water from your gutters. (That's if there is ever any rain :P)
My parents, uncle Ed and aunt Vera, aunt Metta and uncle Eddie, plus Ed's foreman Bob Kill used to all garden together. They would never use "city water" on the garden. Over at Ed's "Pig Parlor" they had the ability to use raw water from the Santa Fe Lake. When this land was sold and the family garden moved to my parents farm, we had a city water hydrant right next to where the garden was, but had to put in a new hydrant, by re-routing a line from the old well out in the pasture, and put in a new pump so we could use that water on the garden. I always figured it had to do with cost, but was told it because of the chlorine in the city water.
I am using the bucket method currently as I am having to water some young trees in the yard. I fill buckets, let them set, and then the next day fill other buckets with a small hole drilled in the bottom at each tree, that way the water will soak deeper into the root zone and won't all go to the bermuda and crab grass.
Charlie
My aunt lived in eastern Colorado, near Calhan. She would shade her roses in the hot weather with a tarp. Water was very limited. She would fill gallons jugs (with holes in the bottom) and plant them by her tomato plants, roses or whatever she had planted. Water would go to the roots only. Always, she had plenty of produce. Mainly, they raised cattle so needed the water for them.
To spray, or not to spray - that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in roses to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous insects
Or to take arms against a sea of pestilence,
And by opposing end them. To poison - to be-
No more; and by a poison to cause to end
The heartache and the thousand natural pests
That rose is heir to. 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To kill - to poison.
To poison-perchance to pollute: ay, there's the rub!
For in that death of poison what future comes
As we shuffle on this mortal earth,
Must give us pause. There's respect of nature
That ought be considered in present times.
For who would bear the scorn of the environmentalist,
Th' accusation of wrong by the politically correct,
The pangs of despis'd horticulture, the law's sanction,
The insolence of organic thought, and the spurns
That sap merit from a worthy task,
When the rosarian himself might make his peace
With bare and scraggly plants? Who would these critics bear,
To grunt and sweat under a heavy Atomist,
But that the dread of something greatly reproductive-
The undiscovered thrips, from whose pincers
No petallage returns - puzzles the will,
And makes us rather fear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Shall conscience make cowards of us all,
And cause the native sense of beauty
To be sicklied o'er with the pale cast of doubt,
And cause the enterprise of great roses
Without regard our resolution to be turned awry
And lose the name of action?
If I were you, I'd try a good cactus, Wilma.
Warph, I was worried about you in that horrible dust storm. It looked like a special effects movie . Glad you're okay. :-*
Not to worry, Six.. the bad part of the haboob was in south Phx. We received the after effects. I've noticed that there are cars still driving around covered completely in dust... kind of a 'badge of courage' thingy... saying, 'I lived through the big bad haboob of the 21 century.' Below is a Video by Mike Olbinski of the July 5th haboob.http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article002152711.cfm?x=bjJw791,b2JwJpcc,w
"There are really not many words to describe this dust storm, or what we call it here, a haboob. I've lived in Phoenix for my entire 35 years and have never seen anything like this before. It was incredible." -- Mike Olbinski
(Haboob is the term used in Arabia and the Sahara to refer to a large sand storm.)
The following story is about the dust storm (Haboob) we had July 5th and the possible effect it will have on people contracting Valley Fever. I have all ideas that is how I wound up with VF from a Haboob that hit Surprise last summer as I was outside Walgreens watching it. Those VF spores that the Haboob picks up stay in the air for days. My doctor had a big increase of patients that showed positive two to three months later, including me which put me in the hospital for a month. TUCSON - The powerful dust storm that swept across Maricopa County last week likely will produce a large increase in new Valley Fever infections over the next two to three months, an expert at the University of Arizona predicts.
Rest of story at: http://www.kvoa.com/news/valley-fever-cases-expected-to-triple-as-a-result-of-haboob/
Between the dust storm scare and those pesky UFO's in Mesa during the Haboob,
I think it is time to start spending my summers elsewhere. Check oout the UFO's:
I have seen many dust storms in my life that are swept into Kansas from Oklahoma. The skies turn red with the Oklahoma soil and remain that way for a couple of days. 'Haboob' is a term I had not heard before our local weather Guru linked it with the devastating video from Phoenix. Neither had I ever heard of Valley fever before your illness. We all have lots to learn don't we? Again, happy that you are well, keep in touch. ;)
My nephew lives in Chandler. They got hit hard. The rest of the family and friends are north of Scottsdale and didn't get as much. It sure does look scary from the photos.
Not to get off subject, but did any of you plant sunflowers this year? I mean the big, tall ones that get to 12 feet and have flowers 12 inches across? I did and I planted them northeast of the house so I could look out and see their pretty blooms. Guess what. They are almost 12 feet tall and the biggest blossoms might be 12 inches across but I can't see them. They are all looking to the northeast, away from the house. The only way I can see them is to roll about 30 feet east of them and look back. Why are they facing the north instead of the south?
I did not, but my lady friend across sidewalk did and hers looks like a version of the bean stalk in "Jack and the bean stalk"
It is over the roof and shades her window very well..............think I would have to use both hands to span the stalk.
Flower has not formed yet. But, it is starting................so tall that we can't eye-ball it.
She is so proud and I like the wonder of it.
She said this seed she bought at dollar general in Independence and only fed it once. think she uses a generic (from dollar general) brand.
She does have a smaller one on the opposite side of the sidewalk (normal size) and it has several heads on it and it is doing well, too.
When we plant we know the one across sidewalk will see our beds more than we do. You almost have to look straight down to see them and so she plants for my entertainment, and I plant for hers. Alas, she does a much nicer job of it.
Take pictures Wilma and post them. Oh, and remember sunflowers follow the sun.
We noticed the sun is just moving back since the equinox has passed.
Wilma, does the face of the bloom try to face the sun when it comes up? It does sound pretty.
They seem to face the northeast all day, but I am going to pay special attention to them today. I just took some pictures and here they are. They are even prettier from the road.
I just have to put this one on, too.
I took this picture of the new county truck soon after it arrived in the road yard. It is magnificent. So big they have to have a step stool to get into the bed. Isn't it beaautiful?
I also took this picture this morning. This insect has been hanging around for awhile and kindly posed for me this morning. I don't know what it is.
I can't quite tell, but if it's extra big and looks like a wasp, it's a cicada killer. They sting cicadas to paralyze them and lay their egg on them .Then they drag them down into a pre dug hole and leave them for food for when the baby hatches. We always have a few starting about now too.They don't usually bother people unless you touch them and then they will sting.
They are more than twice the size of the wasps that I see around here. I didn't try to measure it for obvious reasons. It didn't seem too nervous about me being there and I didn't want to force it because of it's resemblance to a wasp.
Wilma, they are one of the good insects. I do not know name. But, if you will send this photo to Steve Fielder email is python@sktc.net Oh, tell him I sent you........LOL most likely his wife will answer you. Or you could call him, he is in book.
He will know and be glad to tell you.
Won't hurt you. Unless you want to man-handle it, then it might protect itself.......Just a thought.
the Sunflowers just made me grin out loud.............and look at which way they are facing.......towards the light......and keep track today, bet they do keep track of where the sun is.
I love to see a field of the flowers just basking in the sun........I love sun too....but must admit, I am ready for some cloudy days and rainy nights......at least a weeks worth........then summer can come back. Not the 100+ we have now.
I might do that. Mr. Fielder is one of the people that I have come to respect. His true interests seem to be the interests of his neighbors everywhere.
I resurrected this thread because I couldn't remember just when I started my rose garden. I see that it was Spring of 2010, three years ago.
The roses are looking really good right now, some of them loaded with buds. The new one I added last year, Apricot Candy, is beginning to open. I also added some Knock Out type roses to fill in some space. I had intended to add some more of those this Spring, but am having second thoughts as the volunteer sunflowers from the ones that I planted three years ago, is pretty much filling up the space.
I have re-read this whole thread and still find it very interesting. Lots of good information in it. Wish I had followed all of it.
Gertrude Stein's Letter-Head
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"A Rose Is A Rose Is A Rose Is A Rose..."
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The meaning most often attributed to this is the notion that when all is said and done, a thing is what it is. This is in similar vein to Shakespeare's 'a rose by any other name would smell as sweet'. However, that's not the interpretation given by the author of the phrase.The line is from Gertrude Stein's poem Sacred Emily, written in 1913 and published in 1922, in Geography and Plays. The verbatim line is actually, 'Rose is a rose is a rose is a rose':"Rose is a rose is a rose is a rose
Loveliness extreme.
Extra gaiters,
Loveliness extreme.
Sweetest ice-cream.
Pages ages page ages page ages." (Gertrude Stein's full poem of "Sacred Emily":
http://www.lettersofnote.com/p/sacred-emily-by-gertrude-stein.html )When asked what she meant by the line, Stein said that in the time of Homer, or of Chaucer, "the poet could use the name of the thing and the thing was really there." As memory took it over, the thing lost its identity, and she was trying to recover that - "I think in that line the rose is red for the first time in English poetry for a hundred years."
Stein was certainly fond of the line and used variants of it in several of her works:- Do we suppose that all she knows is that a rose is a rose is a rose is a rose. (Operas and Plays)
- ... she would carve on the tree Rose is a Rose is a Rose is a Rose is a Rose until it went all the way around. (The World is Round)
- A rose tree may be a rose tree may be a rosy rose tree if watered. (Alphabets and Birthdays)
- Indeed a rose is a rose makes a pretty plate
Wilma, I am always ready to talk flowers. Love going through green houses seeing what might grow
here. I even love ready other peoples progress or failures........trying to keep my brain active with facts that
are fun, (for me) and when I cross the river for the promise land, I will find me the prettiest and most prolific
garden to spend my days in.
Reserve a spot for me right beside you. I can't think of anything lovelier than flowers.
No, Frank isn't lovelier than flowers. A close second, though.
Quote from: Wilma on May 23, 2013, 09:21:43 PM
No, Frank isn't lovelier than flowers. A close second, though.
Hmmmm... okay, how about this one.
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"I keep telling you, she's not your type, Alfie"