You Can't Have Your Country Back
-Elizabeth Wright
http://issuesviews.blogspot.com/2010/04/you-cant-have-your-country-back.html
I don't understand part of this at all. First, most Hispanics are indeed white. Hispanic is a culture not a race. Also, if a black family has lived for many generations in Sweden and are Swedish citizens, why can't they be called Swedish? Talk about Hitleresque....that stinks!
Diane, she wasn't talking about blacks that have lived in Sweden for many generations, she was talking about the ones that just show up one day and all of a sudden proclaim "I'm Swedish".
Ok, they show up and become naturalized Swedish citizens...they aren't Swedes? ....White man's countries? Whites took over South Africa.That wasn't a black man's country that was stolen from them? Plus you'll have to show me where it says they just showed up one day. If they aren't wanted, how did they get there?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 05, 2010, 09:36:05 AM
Ok, they show up and become naturalized Swedish citizens...they aren't Swedes? ....White man's countries? Whites took over South Africa.That wasn't a black man's country that was stolen from them? Plus you'll have to show me where it says they just showed up one day. If they aren't wanted, how did they get there?
Diane, your only a swede if your a citizen of that country. IF your a swede, and move to america and naturalize there, your an American. It doesn't matter how many generations you come from that are swedes once you become an american your no longer a swede.
Hitleresque! How do you mean? Your liberalism is glowing.
Steve, I'm either not making myself clear or you are playing dense on purpose. ;D "They just show up one day".... in Sweden...from where? If they become Swedish citizens, why aren't they Sweds?
Red, you've got to be kidding!!!! Hitler would have loved you, you are such an easy mark. You can't see hate language in the article, in the ugly words and the hint of the bloody combat of whites taking back their white country? ( that we stole in the first place.) Black Africans "strutting" around Sweden? Don't you think that is for Sweden to deal with, not us? There are racist and anti cultural comments in that article. The Statue of Liberty, which I suspect you've never seen, welcomes outsiders to come here. It doesn't say pale, white skinned and blue eyed only. (How did you get here?) If you honestly can't see the slurs, then I can't help you. I assume you never eat Mexican food? Or anything from a dark skinned culture? (curry) or oriental food ? No Chinese or Japanese? Or are you a hypocrite?
Why are you so uncomfortable with the idea of other cultures or races? Ponce de Leon was not British or German, nor was Coronado or Cortez. What is the big deal? It's been only in recent history that we closed our borders and place immigration limits and rules.There were no illegals to get upset about because there were no illegals. Borders were open....there were no illegals, of any race, culture, creed or ethnicity. Culture clashes yes, but usually only in the big cities. The Irish, Swedes, Poles and Italians ,Jews and Catholics all had their moments at the bottom of the ladder before they were assimilated. Does my acceptance of all these people make me liberal? Funny, I just thought it made me AN AMERICAN!!!!!
Good post, Diane! ;)
Thank you, but I expect I will get chewed up and spit out again.
Like many liberals, you paint yourself as "multi-cultural" but you're
not fooling me.
Hitler would not like to be around me, but I'm thinking he'd be very
comfortable around you liberals.
Today, I had dinner at noon in a Mexican place. Had some real tacos
and jalapenos along with a couple of glasses of horchata and as usual
I was the only gringo in the establishment. Pretty good eatin for sure.
Why did your people separate the whites and blacks from each other
after the northern victory over good and decent Americans in 1865?
Your kind always knows what's good for everyone else or could it be that
your kind was uncomfortable with black and white American folks being together?
My kind? What are you ranting about? My kind (family) had people on both sides of the civil war, including two brothers who fought on opposite sides? So what.
Glad you like Mexican food, but what are "real" tacos. I've never had a fake one. ;D Sorry, not a liberal and you calling me one doesn't make it so. (What, pray tell, will you do if I vote Repub. next time?) Have you ever had a hand patted tortilla? Much better than the machine made ones. IMHO The only gringo in the place? You must not be in Elk county! You do know I was reacting to the author of that article, who also has a very narrow and preset way of looking at things. People like that write to a certain audience who they know will always agree with them no matter what they say. It was a very divisive article. Even the title suggests that it's too late, your country is gone...to who? (Why to those who aren't lily white, that's who) Inflammatory writing if you ask me. Do you ever disagree with these writers or do you just accept what they say?
Yes, your kind. Obviously, you're on one side of the family and you seem to
not favor the Founding Fathers or Southerners.
Liberals vote for Republicans quite often so why would it be any different
for you? As far as I know, it's never been established that Republicans
represent conservatism. Republicans seem to be liberal to me.
People know their people. I'm sure the article is divisive for you because your
brand of diversity is limited to select groups which does not include the author.
Ok so I finally gave in and read this thing even tho I tend to avoid readin the crap Red posts because it's usually ridiculous. This one is no different.
Oh it's the liberal blah blah fault oh its the conservatives blah blah blah fault oh if you don't agree with what I say blah blah blah you aren't a good American. If you believe in equal you aren't being true to your race. Oh if you don't accept EVERYbody you aren't being a good person blah blah blah.
You want to know what I say? It's KARMA, DIVINE retribution, PAYBACK is a bitch, whatever you want to call it. They are pissin and moanin about somebody stealin the country they stole to START with.
Articles like this are just sour grapes in my opinion. Read your european history of the "white race" . They/we used the if we can't beat em we'll BREED em out approach on more than ONE occasion...even on other "white races"......if it's comin back around and bitin em in the ass....well you'll have that in your bigger operations.
Yup, no doubt about it. I'm a really BAAAAAAD person. I don't lie, smoke, drink, or cuss, don't hit kids, don't take what isn't mine, I listen to other people's views, am involved in community activities, totally believe in the golden rule. I try to talk about issues, not people (not always successful) and try to be kind to dogs, cats and really stupid people. I won't be reading any more of Red's stuff because there is no point. It is the same few writers saying pretty much the same thing over and over and over. I get it that Red hates the President. I get it that Red never recovered from the Civil War and is apparently stuck in the past. As far as my own personal prejudices, yes, I have them. I am totally against poorly educated people of their own making, who insist on staying stupid and who try to cover it up by going on the attack, and I don't care what color they are. I am most certainly not anti south except for the really stupid people.
I've seen the Real Constitution, the real Declaration of Independence, the real Liberty Bell, the real Carpenters Hall, Betsy Ross's house ,the old churches and the graves of Ben Franklyn and others. I've been to Old North Church, Monticello, Mount Vernon, seen where Washington crossed the Delaware, I've been to Gettysburg and Appomattox and Harper's Ferry and Richmond and on and on. Why? Because I've always been interested in both sides of the war. I am interested in so much that went on here or near here, right back to the American Revolution. Don't tell me about the founding fathers. I've read a great many other things they wrote that aren't as popular with the main stream public. I've seen other things Jefferson wrote, including his speculations that the constitution might not last as the years went by. Read Hamilton's diaries if you want to know what a tussle they had bickering among themselves. Read what the real people wrote. Skip those who would be happy to tell you what it REALLY means.
Diane, you are the head of the spelling Gestapo on the Forum, and yet you spelled Franklin incorrectly. I hate to be petty but I recall a few times when you were very rude to me about what you thought was a mispelled word.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 06, 2010, 02:21:54 PM
Yup, no doubt about it. I'm a really BAAAAAAD person. I don't lie, smoke, drink, or cuss, don't hit kids, don't take what isn't mine, I listen to other people's views, am involved in community activities, totally believe in the golden rule. I try to talk about issues, not people (not always successful) and try to be kind to dogs, cats and really stupid people. I won't be reading any more of Red's stuff because there is no point. It is the same few writers saying pretty much the same thing over and over and over. I get it that Red hates the President. I get it that Red never recovered from the Civil War and is apparently stuck in the past. As far as my own personal prejudices, yes, I have them. I am totally against poorly educated people of their own making, who insist on staying stupid and who try to cover it up by going on the attack, and I don't care what color they are. I am most certainly not anti south except for the really stupid people.
I've seen the Real Constitution, the real Declaration of Independence, the real Liberty Bell, the real Carpenters Hall, Betsy Ross's house ,the old churches and the graves of Ben Franklyn and others. I've been to Old North Church, Monticello, Mount Vernon, seen where Washington crossed the Delaware, I've been to Gettysburg and Appomattox and Harper's Ferry and Richmond and on and on. Why? Because I've always been interested in both sides of the war. I am interested in so much that went on here or near here, right back to the American Revolution. Don't tell me about the founding fathers. I've read a great many other things they wrote that aren't as popular with the main stream public. I've seen other things Jefferson wrote, including his speculations that the constitution might not last as the years went by. Read Hamilton's diaries if you want to know what a tussle they had bickering among themselves. Read what the real people wrote. Skip those would be happy to tell you what it REALLY means.
Yup, missed it ...good catch. ;D
Well Diane, I lie every time I go fishing and tell ol Sarge about what I catch----I smoke like a steam engine----I drink like a drunken sailor---- and cuss like the same sailor---I've smacked more than one "big kid" in my life---and Sarge says I'm a "really stupid person". I been to a few places in my life but nothing like you have but not sure what that has to do with anything and not sure it makes one wise. Would like to have you clarify what you mean, "You are totally against poorly educated people of their own making, who insist on staying stupid". Even you gotta admit there's alot of educated idiots out there. :)
Yes, there are indeed. Including me when someone pushes me too far or deliberately tries to push my buttons. No, I do not mean you! What I meant was everywhere i've been I've taken the tour, looked at the exhibits, read the books about the place and listened to the docents tell the history.They do not set out to lie to people and I resent a certain person on here re writing history to agree with that persons personal radical slant on things. By the way Frank, I was never promoted to head the spelling Gestapo, someone else has that spot for life. If you were offended by an error I caught, I sincerely apologize.I usually only mention if it makes something funny or changes the meaning. It really is meant to be in fun. I told somebody one time if ya catch me with one I promise to laugh loudest of all. I really don't mind. I was trying to practice touch typing and I think it's about useless.
Quote from: pamagain on April 06, 2010, 11:34:46 AM
You want to know what I say? It's KARMA, DIVINE retribution, PAYBACK is a bitch, whatever you want to call it. They are pissin and moanin about somebody stealin the country they stole to START with.
Articles like this are just sour grapes in my opinion. Read your european history of the "white race" . They/we used the if we can't beat em we'll BREED em out approach on more than ONE occasion...even on other "white races"......if it's comin back around and bitin em in the ass....well you'll have that in your bigger operations.
The country they ("white race") stole?? Really?? So, whites now are to blame for stealing indian land?? You might want to loosen the headdress there Tonto! Stealing land isn't exactly a "white" thing. Cultures of all types have done it to each other since the beginning of time, yes even indians would drive opposing tribes from a region for hunting grounds. Africans still today wage wars of genocide against each other. So bitch all you want about whites stealing land, and how evil the white race is. Fact of the matter is, if it wasn't for the white race the world would still be running around in loin cloths, living in mud huts, sacrifacing themselves to ensure a good harvest, and dancing around hoping for rain.
Quote from: Varmit on April 06, 2010, 08:33:03 PM
The country they ("white race") stole?? Really?? So, whites now are to blame for stealing indian land?? You might want to loosen the headdress there Tonto! Stealing land isn't exactly a "white" thing. Cultures of all types have done it to each other since the beginning of time, yes even indians would drive opposing tribes from a region for hunting grounds. Africans still today wage wars of genocide against each other. So bitch all you want about whites stealing land, and how evil the white race is. Fact of the matter is, if it wasn't for the white race the world would still be running around in loin cloths, living in mud huts, sacrifacing themselves to ensure a good harvest, and dancing around hoping for rain.
Don't mistake me for one of your predjudiced idiots bud, don't mistake me for ignorant, don't mistake me for a race hater of any kind, don't expect me to qualify this post.......and don't call me Tonto a**hole.
Varmit, ya better check up on the history of ancient China. They were very much ahead of us in many ways. Silk, Marco Polo and all that. I'm not sure how giving examples of what others did excuses the behavior of someone or a group of someones. Two wrongs don't don't make a right do they? Back to the playground stuff again.
Quote from: Varmit on April 06, 2010, 08:33:03 PM
The country they ("white race") stole?? Really?? So, whites now are to blame for stealing indian land?? You might want to loosen the headdress there Tonto! Stealing land isn't exactly a "white" thing. Cultures of all types have done it to each other since the beginning of time, yes even indians would drive opposing tribes from a region for hunting grounds. Africans still today wage wars of genocide against each other. So bitch all you want about whites stealing land, and how evil the white race is. Fact of the matter is, if it wasn't for the white race the world would still be running around in loin cloths, living in mud huts, sacrifacing themselves to ensure a good harvest, and dancing around hoping for rain.
ROTFLMBO
Quote from: pamagain on April 06, 2010, 08:37:48 PM
Don't mistake me for one of your predjudiced idiots bud, don't mistake me for ignorant, don't mistake me for a race hater of any kind, don't expect me to qualify this post.......and don't call me Tonto a**hole.
Not predjudiced? Not ignorant? Not race hating? Thats interesting considering in your earlier post you stated...
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You want to know what I say? It's KARMA, DIVINE retribution, PAYBACK is a bitch, whatever you want to call it. They are pissin and moanin about somebody stealin the country they stole to START with.
Articles like this are just sour grapes in my opinion. Read your european history of the "white race" . They/we used the if we can't beat em we'll BREED em out approach on more than ONE occasion...even on other "white races"......if it's comin back around and bitin em in the ass....well you'll have that in your bigger operations.
You're blaming the Whites of today for things that happened before they were even born! How is that not ignorant? By saying that "oh well, they deserve it for what their ANCESTORS did" how is that not race hating?
Diane, you want to talk history? Ok. Heres a history question for you...Name one world superpower, that is headed by Non-whites, that has developed more or as many technological advances, medical breakthrough advances and treatments, improved the standard of living for the average citizen, provided a business enviroment more inclusive of the principles of the free market capitalist system, or built a country where anyone of any race has can become what they want?
Varmit, sorry I can't answer or I'll be slammed for posting too much. Apparently even answering questions counts against me. :P
Hmmm......so we delete posts now if we don't like em...............
Varmit..........you amuse me with your what do we call them???? insults?? "right" opinions?? Wise man once said "If you don't love your own race how can you expect to understand any other?" I don't expect you to understand that a person can love their race and STILL see much less admit they have made MAJOR mistakes in their way of doin things. I am white AND red....I love both races.....both races have skeletons in their closets. This is my last word. Yall delete it if you like.....after all it doesn't agree with YOUR opinion
Deleted posts?? I haven't deleted anything.
Whats with the backpedeling? Earlier you were saying that the whites deserve whats happening and now you're trying to whitewash what you said.
Every race has a skeleton or two in their closet, so what? That doesn't mean that a person can blame what happened generations ago for their plight in life, as we commonly see minorities do. "Its just the white man keeping me down" has become a mantra for every non-white that can't manage themselves. "They stole our land and screwed us over years ago" Really? So thats your excuse for being an alcholic?
QuoteWhats with the backpedeling?
Not backpedaling...said it's Karma. Still do.
QuoteSo thats your excuse for being an alcholic?
Excuse Me???????? So how did I become an alcoholic all of a sudden???? TALK about stereotyping idiot remarks!!!!!! >:(
QuoteDeleted posts?? I haven't deleted anything.
I REposted my previous answer with the addition....Same answer.....bears repeating...it disappeared thru the magic of whatever.
I posted my opinion....I don't WHINE or ask THE MAN for anything nor do I TAKE anything from...THE MAN. I take care of MY OWN, I have PAID TAXES FOR YEARS so I can HAVE ANY OPINION I THINK IS CORRECT.....I EARNED THE F-ING PRIVILEGE and snotty retorts from little men DON"T CHANGE THEM. So crawl down out of my you know what and use your energy for somethin constructive bud. >:(
Quote from: pamagain on April 10, 2010, 05:47:18 PM
Excuse Me???????? So how did I become an alcoholic all of a sudden???? TALK about stereotyping idiot remarks!!!!!! >:(
Its not a sterotypical remark. its a unanswerable question. Its like if someone say "So do you still Beat your wife?"
Pam, my "alcholic" comment wasn't aimed specifically at you. In the thread "American Indians Enslaved by the Gov't" there is a video that was posted showing the conditions on a reservation. Alcholism is rampant. They, the indians, say that because they recieve a check every month many of them have become lazy and have turned to alchol as a means of coping. That is what my comment was aimed at. Sorry if you took it personally.
As far as your opinion goes, your welcome to express it. Never said you weren't. But don't be surprised if someone doesn't agree with you, afterall they to have earned the "F-ING" priviledge of their opinion.
QuoteAs far as your opinion goes, your welcome to express it. Never said you weren't. But don't be surprised if someone doesn't agree with you, afterall they to have earned the "F-ING" priviledge of their opinion.
I DO express it. Not surprised no-one agrees with it......also don't care. Wasn't askin for a discussion of my opinion or ATTACKIN anybody elses........so keep your insults to yourself from now on.
Y'all don't want diversity of opinion on here for the purpose of expanding or solidifying your horizons...y'all want a bunch of "yes-men and women" who only parrot the opinions you yourselves hold dear and correct. You attack anybody who has the cajones to post an opposing opinion whether they are rude about said opinion or not like a pack of pirahnas on a dead goat.
Some of the things posted on here are so ignorant as to be hilarious if it wasn't so friggin sad that people haven't progressed any farther than that. Some border on paranoid delusions! I laugh at them just because it makes a person want to cry otherwise.
Y'all have managed to run off or silence anybody who DOESN'T buy into your brand of closedmindedness...it's only my stubborness that makes me persist but I'm gettin pretty tired of the crap myself.It's like tryin to pry the lid off a rusty bucket tryin to let some opposing opinions into this place. Opposing opinions are not a big threat to me...I WELCOME them. new things and ideas DON"T scare me..
I haven't insulted anyone that hasn't first done the same to me. I understand that discussions can get heated at times, however, if someone gets rude or insulting then I'm gonna give as good as I get. As for running people off, they left on their own accord.
As for diversity of opinion...that means allowing ALL opinions to be posted. I don't have a problem with that. That is how a debate or discussion is furthered.
By the way, I do find it kind of ironic that you accuse people on here of being closedminded, ignorant, sad in one breath and in the next say you welcome a diversity of opinion.
Pam is like most of us...She welcomes thought that is informed...Considered...Educated...Showing of restraint from employing the base, common, illiterate, bullying tendencies that our society seems to find the "new normal". I find it amazing that Pam, Diane, and others like them, persist in their Christian efforts to try to bring a a level, sane, enlightened stance to this board...No one that I am conversing with has left...Quite the opposite...We are just sitting back, watching the circus. ::)
Quote from: Varmit on April 06, 2010, 08:33:03 PM
...... Fact of the matter is, if it wasn't for the white race the world would still be running around in loin cloths, living in mud huts, sacrifacing themselves to ensure a good harvest, and dancing around hoping for rain.
..... dancing for exercise, and rain, instead of having to go to the gym to work out, would have plenty to eat without worrying about pesticides, poisons, etc., didn't have to worry about keeping up with the Jonses, didn't have to worry what clothes were in style this year, didn't have to worry about how to pay their home insurance, car insurance, real estate taxes, the price of fuel, income taxes, government dictating what they could and couldn't do on their own property,. . . . . ::) really don't sound all that bad a life style.
The white race? Try the human race...Gee...What a concept... :o ::) For being as knowledgeable as you claim, your historical content is off...The Chinese had an evolved social/court system several thousand years before we were supposedly civilized. I don't think they count themselves as being "the white race".
Quote from: Varmit on April 11, 2010, 09:10:03 AM
I haven't insulted anyone that hasn't first done the same to me. I understand that discussions can get heated at times, however, if someone gets rude or insulting then I'm gonna give as good as I get. As for running people off, they left on their own accord.
As for diversity of opinion...that means allowing ALL opinions to be posted. I don't have a problem with that. That is how a debate or discussion is furthered.
By the way, I do find it kind of ironic that you accuse people on here of being closedminded, ignorant, sad in one breath and in the next say you welcome a diversity of opinion.
"Loosen the headress Tonto" ring a bell? "Kumbayyaa singin leftwing hippie" ring a bell? You weren't insulted or called anything to precipitate either ONE of THOSE.
They left because they got tired of trying to pry the rusty lid off and takin the abuse that came with THAT job.
I DO welcome diversity of opinion! I don't HAVE to AGREE with it for cripes sake. Neither does anybody else! Welcoming it does not mean I will not think it is IGNORANT or PREJUDICED! I learned a LONG time ago that the way to figure out what YOU YOURSELF are willing to take a stand on is to listen to OTHER DISSENTING opinions so YES I welcome them. Sorry if you can't grasp that concept.
Thank you Cat for your words of support, you are exactly right about the chinese too. Hell the ARABS were centuries ahead of us on a LOT of stuff.
Yeah...I'm thinkin spendin my time huntin fishin farmin and runnin around nekkid if I felt like it and it was hot sounds like a plan :D LOLOLOL
Actually it was the egyptians not the arabs. The city of Alexandria was the location of all knowlege. Everything was located there from the science of hydraulics to scrolls of knowlege that were preserved over the centuries.
The Moslems invaded Egypt during the seventh century as their fanaticism carried them on conquests that would take form an empire stretching from Spain to India. There was not much of a struggle in Egypt and the locals found the rule of the Caliph to be more tolerant than that of the Byzantines before them. However, when a Christian called John informed the local Arab general that there existed in Alexandria a great Library preserving all the knowledge in the world he was perturbed. Eventually he sent word to Mecca where Caliph Omar ordered that all the books in the library should be destroyed because, as he said "they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." Therefore, the books and scrolls were taken out of the library and distributed as fuel to the many bathhouses of the city. So enormous was the volume of literature that it took six months for it all to be burnt to ashes heating the saunas of the conquerors.
No........REALLY? Egyptians ARE arab :P
To back up one post....Thanks Cat. I had brought up China too, but it was thrown back at me. And then of course I was immediately told I was posting too much to try to get rid of me again.
Of course we won't all agree on issues all the time, but leave out the name calling and "dissing" as the kids say and it's a good debate. Personal funny name calling and teasing can be just that, but when it turns into directed personal insult, the debate is lost and a heated argument replaces it. Then there are the "little people" who sit on the sidelines and egg the argument on. Very poor form. And Varmit, many people here can verify how nasty you were to me over and over before I finally had had enough and told you to cut it out and fought back. You are much more reasonable most of the time now, but since you have this need to be right you still slip occasionally. You used to be D- now I'd say a C+ or maybe even a little better....B-? ;D ;D ;D Steve with what you wrote, maybe Varmit will understand what some of us were talking about. Every time I hear about one of the ancient libraries being destroyed I cringe. All that knowledge lost, especially about everyday people and their lives.
So let me get this straight, I can be snippy and rude so long as I don't actually point a finger at anybody? For example, comments like...
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Some of the things posted on here are so ignorant as to be hilarious if it wasn't so friggin sad that people haven't progressed any farther than that. Some border on paranoid delusions! I laugh at them just because it makes a person want to cry otherwise.
are perfectly fine since it doesn't specifically name names?
And then there are the comments that reek of arrogance, such as..
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The Statue of Liberty, which I suspect you've never seen, welcomes outsiders to come here.
And I just love this one. I mean, how welcoming of diverse ideas and opinions that vary..
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Ok so I finally gave in and read this thing even tho I tend to avoid readin the crap Red posts because it's usually ridiculous. This one is no different.
Have I covered the "know it all type" yet..
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Get real, people. High horse attitudes about what SHOULD be done have all the chance of a snowball in hell of making a difference when it comes to the real world that the rest of us have to live in.
I could go on and on. The point is this...if you are going to accuse people of being rude or whatever, why not start with yourselves?
Now, getting back to the topic at hand...
If China and the Arab cultures were so far advanced, what happened? You mentioned the advanced social/court system in china...would this be the same social system that advocated killing live, delivered babies based on their gender? Would this be the same culture that now outlaws religion, puts in prison christian group leaders and bible study leaders? Because, Hey! that has advanced written all over it.
Now, lets talk about Egypt, I mean theres a prime example of advanced culture...rampant poverty, illiteracy, water and food shortages, not to mention a general lack of personal hygiene. Heres a culture whos claim to fame are pryamids that were built thousands of years ago.
Oh, and lets not forget their outstanding lead in the fight for civil and human rights.
Quote from: flo on April 11, 2010, 11:18:09 AM
..... dancing for exercise, and rain, instead of having to go to the gym to work out, would have plenty to eat without worrying about pesticides, poisons, etc., didn't have to worry about keeping up with the Jonses, didn't have to worry what clothes were in style this year, didn't have to worry about how to pay their home insurance, car insurance, real estate taxes, the price of fuel, income taxes, government dictating what they could and couldn't do on their own property,. . . . . ::) really don't sound all that bad a life style.
Okay, maybe you're just poking fun here, I'm not sure...but to say that primative cultures don't/didn't have a class system isn't at all accurate. Nor is saying that they didn't try and "out do" each other with their manner of dress or lodgings.
Not worrying about pesticides and poisons...yeah, much better to just let the bugs and weeds take over, espcially in those years when things like locuts, and bowl weavels tend to be a problem.
Quote from: pamagain on April 11, 2010, 01:51:10 PM
No........REALLY? Egyptians ARE arab :P
No their not. They are Egyptian.
People from the Arabian Peninsula ARE Arab, those include the countries of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain, and Kuwait.
sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh~~~~ ok....
Everyone just chill a little.. I'm going to try to talk here a little bit without cussing.. .. and hopefully without swallowing any Valiums to get through it. ;D
I've set back and read and listened...and the only reason I haven't jumped in the middle of this turd pie ( turd is not a cuss word) is because I figured it might calm down a bit..
Doesn't seem to be happening.. We have everyone jumping in like a bar fight .. grabbing and swinging a pool stick and taking sides. Cat has jumped on Diane and Pams bandwagon.. The men have jumped on Varmits posse and the battle has started..
(Marshal won't let me take sides in public so I'm left with no posse or bandwagon) :'(
But seriously...
Do you know what I see??
I see everyone in here thinking and saying that they "like" diverse and different opinions..
but every time anyone has one.. the other side screams and gets pissed.
If we were all being really honest... could we really say that if we hear an opinion about something totally opposite of our beliefs .( and its spoken by someone who's personality and person we don't really care for)... .that we don't get frustrated and a bit "negatively animated in verbal form?"
I do generally .especially when I have FIRM convictions that I am right..
The other people can talk and scream and cuss till they are blue in the face and it isn't going to make one bit of difference to my way of thinking. And if I feel irritated enough by it.. I will come back myself with some pretty forceful statements..
I don't think anyone in here is any different.. no matter how much they like to stand up and say how much they like other opinions.. Pretty much proved that they don't. ( myself included) I guess that is why birds of a feather like to fly together.. Its why we choose friends who like the same things.. and why we choose spouses who share our belief systems.. Nothing wrong with it.. as long as we recognize it enough to stay civil to those we DON'T share the same things with.
Good debate is a challenge to carry out. Because of the emotional factor and how easily it can be misconstrued and misunderstood.
Since the personality's in this section are so diverse and opposite . ( and no where in the forum rules does it say that you have to like each other) but I think maybe we all need to stop and take a deep breath and just chill out a bit..
As far as people leaving this section? Yes...There has been a few high tail it out... but the reasons would surprise a few of you who think that you know the reason why...You don't! If you think its becasue the majority are hard conservatives.. you are very very wrong.. That is not the reason...
Same with people who have stopped posting on the coffee shop and other places in the forum.. ( there are reasons and no one knows but me and the people who have talked to me about it) But once again I will say this publicly ..and also as I say to people privately when they write me or call to talk about it.
" It is a public forum. It is your choice whether to stay or to leave a section or the forum as a whole. It costs nothing to join and you don't lose anything if you choose to leave. But if you choose to stay.. don't complain and gripe because of what it is made up of. There is lots of sections . If you don't like a section.. stay out of it.. No body cares if you like it or you don't or the reasons why.. Those that do like it are in there for a reason.. If you like a section that isn't used as often.. then post more in that section and maybe more will use it."
Get a grip on yourselves..... be strong in your convictions ( whatever they are) and post whatever you want.. But nothing is gained by ~ He said this, She said that ... .. You crapped on my fence so I'm going to burn down yours, mentality.
And if you lose that self control.... try to keep the verbal attacks to a dull roar.. Okay? Cause bar room fights are no fun for me in here if I can't jump in and take a few swings.. and I hate being left out... ;D
**Hands teresa a pool cue! **
ROTFL
Do we get to be drunk? Bar fights are no fun if you are sober.
I was going to post this in the "favorite quotes" section, but because of Teresa's post, it might belong here. From another blog I read:
The only way to make sure people you agree with can speak is to support the rights of people you don't agree with.
Eleanor Holmes Norton
Larryj
ROTFL, i can just see teresa jumping into a bar brawl. Somehow i think she would win too!
well~~ the only one I actually got in to .................I didn't lose.. but I didn't actually win either.. *sad part was.. it wasn't even my battle.. *but I definitely left a few marks that stung... hahaha
( awwww.. youth and stupid sometimes go hand in hand.. ;D
For what it is worth, there are times when I have nothing to say. Like this thread. I saw it the first day, but didn't have time to bring the article up and read it, this happens to me quite a bit. The thread takes off and people have very strong opinions, which I read and respect. Many of you have done a lot more thinking and reseearch about these issues than I so I just read and learn. Lots of times people just have personal things come up in their lives which takes up their time and perhaps others, not knowing, interpret that as them purposefully leaving the Forum. So, the point is, whether I'm loud or quiet you all are stuck with me. If someone steps on my toe to much I'll squeal and expect you to do the same.
I can't think of a nicer person to be stuck with. ;)
Been tryin out my huntin fishin farmin runnin around nekkid ancestral lifestyle so hadn't read anymore yet today! Think it MIGHT rain later!!
Teresa you are exactly right.
I DO have some positions I will not budge on. Some I can be persuaded on. I am obstinate...I DON"T push well and can't be PULLED any easier. I have little patience sometimes. I CAN and have been rude. For those that wonder.......... most of my enlightenment posts are my OWN search for balance, just thought others might find them helpful too. I am a work in progress. and now that I'm huntin fishin farmin and runnin around nekkid doin rain dances I MAY get sidetracked :P
I dispise government and "authority" of any kind. Conservative OR liberal. God gave me brains and a conscience and I resent anybody who tries to tell me how to use either one!
Part of what Varmit says is true....the only thing that is going to fix this government is what STARTED it in the first place....and that is one of the SADDEST things I know.....but fix it for WHO? Killin your fellow countrymen is not and never HAS been anywhere close to the answer. It wasn't in ANY revolution fought for ANY reason...it wasn't in the late War Between the States......and it isn't now.
and as for bar fights...........been in a few........some were fun...some weren't..........but they usually sounded like a good idea at the time :P They usually WEREN'T a good idea by the time all the casualties were counted.