Now how about a plan for jobs, stimulus money aside, a real plan for jobs. Like here we have a superintendant of schools for 421 students; he makes $79,000.00 per annum. Mayhap that is a little lopsided? I mean we have teachers that earn less than $25,000.00 who work in the trenches every day. No wonder the dude complained there were no houses to live in---- there are no houses that match that kind of salary. :o How about a relook at the structure of the education system; pay as you teach might not be so bad. Just because you got that doctorate, (If you have one), are you really worth it? Has productivity increased? No? Costs have decreased, yes. People have lost their jobs, and communities have lost their schools, and the area has lost their pride in their schools. Next year there will probably be fewer than the current number of students, then how do you justify your current rate of hire? But by then you will probably have moved on, waving good-bye to the devastation left behind. Just a matter of time anyway, couldn't be helped. But this is not what this blog started out to be. Oh well-----! :-\
Okay, it has passed..... but only for the time being. Look for the democrats Health Care reform to be reformed by the republicans Jan. 2011! Say what you want but, it is the lesser of two evils. Watch the individual state's file lawsuits. If the federal government cannot initiate gun legislation over the rights of the State, then they will find the same holds true with this piece of garbage legislation. All said, states like Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, and other union heavy & minority heavy states will be bankrupt within months of enabling this garbage legislation. Right to work states will flourish, dismiss this legislation, and independent insurers will thrive. I know for a fact that this counry is center-right and many democrats as well as independents voted this president in thinking that he would move more toward the middle, but he did not. If the democratic elected officials can trample the constitution in broad daylight and not care in the least, then do not think they will stop with the passage of this Health Care bill... they will try to pass as much of their left wing agenda as they can before the November elections because they know they will not have the majority after that. Stay vigilant in defending our liberties!! The next presidentual election will truly reflect the sentiments of the country. Let the Republicans field a good candidate this time and it is very likely... without a doubt.... that this is a one term president. Obuma is done in November, as is the Democratic party. ....Warph
WARPH,
I hope like hell you're right but I'm not so sure anymore. look back at 9/11. Everyone was waving the flag and wanted blood and they didn't care who's blood it was so we go after that pr#ck Saddam. 6 months later all you heard was "Bush lied ", " Get out now ", Wrong war--wrong place" ---like we aint heard that shit before !!!!
Quote from: Warph on March 22, 2010, 12:36:30 AM
Okay, it has passed..... but only for the time being. Look for the democrats Health Care reform to be reformed by the republicans Jan. 2011! Say what you want but, it is the lesser of two evils. Watch the individual state's file lawsuits. If the federal government cannot initiate gun legislation over the rights of the State, then they will find the same holds true with this piece of garbage legislation. All said, states like Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, and other union heavy & minority heavy states will be bankrupt within months of enabling this garbage legislation. Right to work states will flourish, dismiss this legislation, and independent insurers will thrive. I know for a fact that this counry is center-right and many democrats as well as independents voted this president in thinking that he would move more toward the middle, but he did not. If the democratic elected officials can trample the constitution in broad daylight and not care in the least, then do not think they will stop with the passage of this Health Care bill... they will try to pass as much of their left wing agenda as they can before the November elections because they know they will not have the majority after that. Stay vigilant in defending our liberties!! The next presidentual election will truly reflect the sentiments of the country. Let the Republicans field a good candidate this time and it is very likely... without a doubt.... that this is a one term president. Obuma is done in November, as is the Democratic party. ....Warph
That is sad, it really is. Wait for the Repub.'s to fix it...wait for the State gov'ts to fight it...just wait until the next election, we'll show'em...
What we should be doing is moving on D.C. in mass, shut it down until they kill this thing. The American people, excuse me sheeple, should be up in arms over this.
Quote from: Varmit on March 22, 2010, 05:57:30 PM
That is sad, it really is. Wait for the Repub.'s to fix it...wait for the State gov'ts to fight it...just wait until the next election, we'll show'em...
What we should be doing is moving on D.C. in mass, shut it down until they kill this thing. The American people, excuse me sheeple, should be up in arms over this.
I seem to be getting this audible/bearable exhalation of air arising from tiredness or futility
.........."SIGH"
As long as anyone here calls our President "Sambo" I will have no respect for their opinions, don't care how interesting they might be. Might as well add "uppity" to it while you are ironing your sheet. Very sad for 2010. Sounds stupid and ignorant too.
Well you know what Diane, "Thats just how white folks will do ya."
I know, I know...I shouldn't use the presidents OWN WORDS against him...how dare I!! I really should make try and make some sort of repriation for those comments...oh wait a minute "Repriations don't go far enough"...
You want to accuse someone of racism try looking at the (and I love the irony here) White House.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 23, 2010, 12:57:48 PM
As long as anyone here calls our President "Sambo" I will have no respect for their opinions, don't care how interesting they might be. Might as well add "uppity" to it while you are ironing your sheet. Very sad for 2010. Sounds stupid and ignorant too.
Hey now, i work hard to get the creases just right in my sheets!
No, decent white folks don't have to stoop to racist name calling like that. You can disagree all you want with his issues. I'm not happy about some of them either. He happens to be black, so what. That kind of name calling sounds so "common'' ..... as in ill bred, poorly educated, vulgar white trash.
Decent folks do not have to stoop to name calling like that, period! I have spent much time in the van today, listening to the whining, crying and complaining because this bill passed. I am amazed at the hypocricy, and the out and out denial of the process. Folks, if this is not a correct process, then what is? Wheeling out the Howitzers maybe? This happened to be the time and the place for this bill. Sorry 'bout that! Mayhap it will be more to your liking next time! ;)
"Decent white folks"?...So, it okay for the Harvard educated President of the United States to express a mindset that is clearly racist, push legislative measures that set one race above another? Yet when white folks do it, now all of a sudden it a problem?
I may be a redneck piece of white trash, but at least I'm honest. I ain't afraid to call a spade a spade.
Sixdogs, whining, complaining about process??....So all the back room deals, bribrey, and arm twisting is all right with you? The majority of the American people didn't want this bill, yet it passed anyway. We are supposed to have a Represenative gov't, remember?
Decent folks don't have to stoop to name calling?....Where was all this outrage when members of Congress were accusing law abiding citizens who were standing up for their rights, of being racist, terrorists, "teabaggers", etc?
Well said, Varmit.
It seems darn funny to me that no matter what the black say it is only the white folks that are accused of being racist.
There are plenty of black racists and racists of most any color, no doubt about it, but in this case the subject was the just passed health care bill and the person was the President of the United States. The subject was not all the other things that happen behind closed doors in all administrations. Deals are cut, promises are made and broken...been going on since the 1700's. My point was now, in 2010, be mad about the issues, disagree all you want, but name calling, especially Sambo, who wasn't black in the original, and "Spade"etc. isn't necessary and doesn't strengthen any issue. By the way, Steve, you are full of hooey too. I've never known a man who would willingly iron a sheet, especially now with the perma press type!
Good Lord Diane, you need to crawl away from your computer once in awhile and get out in the real world. Varmit saying he calls a" spade a spade" is not racist in any way unless the person thinking it is had racism on their mind. But as long as you want to talk racism, I have several friends that are black, not AFRICAN -Americans, but just Americans that just happen to have "black skin" and they will be the first to tell you that blacks are by far more racist against whites ,than the other way around. Anytime you think that race baiters like Je$$ie Jack$on and Al $harpton aren't racist then have I got some swamp land to sell you !!!
Unrelated so you can jump on me for straying from this thread but I see where "the anointed one " met with Israel PM Netanyahu yesterday. No cameras allowed to even take his picture of shaking the hand of another world leader. Now I wonder why the media hog didn't want his picture taken with Ben ? I wonder if he bowed to ol Ben like he does to dictators and Muslims ? Maybe he was afraid Netanyahu would slap him silly when they got face to face !!! Doesn't this seem strange to you ???
Yep Jarhead...Seems strange to me too........................
And this isn't directed at any one person on here.. but just as a general statement....
(like anyone give a fat rats patottoe) ;D but I agree with Ron ..my mom.. and Billy..
This getting your panties in a wad and whining about "phrases and terms and thinking that every time a term is used it is considered name calling" and racist is about to make me sick.
along with the screaming sexual harassment whiners in offices...(which is just another level of small incidents blown out of control ) in my opinion
and all the other "political and social correct" crap that is being crammed down our throats on a daily basis..
If blacks call me a white cracker hoe... I wonder if any one would stand around sniveling and making statements about "that is so racist".. Doubt it.. Cause I have heard the rantings on public TV of Obamas mentors..about white people and white women... and there isn't a person reading this that doesn't know how all of that turned out..
so .. save the lectures on racism terms to someone who cares.
I'm tired of every time someone opens their mouth saying something that someone else finds "offensive"...someone out there in the world screams and makes a big deal out of it..
Its a fact people....
Blacks have their areas that they can get by with crap... and whites have their areas where they can also say and do things that are ignored.. Women can do things Men can't and Men can do things that Women can't..
Cowboy up~~.. Life is full of double standards ... grow a pair and deal with it!
But like I say............its just my opinion....
So now my opinion is "wrong" once again. Of course there is a double standard.That's what we've been trying to change! But if it is constantly excused in one way or another, the next generation will copy the last and it never goes away. I said I agreed there are racists of all colors, but how does that excuse any of them? I was talking only about that one time, right here, not someone else, somewhere else. How is a committed southern confederate white man calling a black man Sambo, not a racist slur? In a setting where good friends are poking each other, maybe, but that was not the case. If you were being bullied or harassed wouldn't you want someone to stand up for you? You wouldn't tolerate that kind of thing in your schools...or would you? Ya can't just suck everything up as if it didn't happen. It isn't always the "other guy" who is always wrong or touchy or thin skinned. Some things that happen just aren't right! When you are on the receiving end you'll feel differently.
Jar, I have no doubt Varmit didn't mean black people when he called "a spade a spade"...he's too young! But I'm sure not. In the south east coast it was indeed meant as a slur, if in fact a card game wasn't going on. It started out, "That darkie was as black as the ace of spades'' and eventually shortened to a "spade" being just another derogatory term, along with many others.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 07:45:27 AM
There are plenty of black racists and racists of most any color, no doubt about it, but in this case the subject was the just passed health care bill and the person was the President of the United States. The subject was not all the other things that happen behind closed doors in all administrations. Deals are cut, promises are made and broken...been going on since the 1700's. My point was now, in 2010, be mad about the issues, disagree all you want, but name calling, especially Sambo, who wasn't black in the original, and "Spade"etc. isn't necessary and doesn't strengthen any issue. By the way, Steve, you are full of hooey too. I've never known a man who would willingly iron a sheet, especially now with the perma press type!
The backroom deals I was referring to were the ones that took place during THIS administration, recently, in order to get enough votes to pass the healthcare bill. Sadly enough, Race, espcially now in 2010 with the first black president, is a major issue. Because anytime anyone doesn't agree with obama the other side automatically yells "Racist". I'm sick of it. Just as I am sick of leglistaltion that benefits one race over the other, such as the immigration reform bill put forth by linsay Graham, which obama will undoubtly sign, granting citizenship to illegals. I am tired of black leaders, that after the election were singing obamas praises, now critize him for not having a "black agenda". And instead of disowning these idiots, the POTUS remains silent. When whites say that racism is pretty much over in this country, given the fact that America elected a black president what do we hear from the black community..."Yeah, well, he's only half black". What did we hear from black leaders, or obama, during the last election when there were members of the black panther party standing outside voting locations to provide "security"?...not a word. What do you think would've happened if Klansmen or Skinheads would have showed up is support of Palin and McCain?...all hell would have broke loose.
BTW, my "spade" comment wasn't racist, it was simply another way to say "I call it like I see it" or "If it looks, walks, and acts like a duck.."
As for my "Sambo" comment, thats all obama is to me. Do I see all black people in that light?...No. Martin Luther King Jr., for example, was a great man that advocated equal rights for ALL people regardless of color.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 01:01:51 PM
So now my opinion is "wrong" once again. Of course there is a double standard.That's what we've been trying to change! But if it is constantly excused in one way or another, the next generation will copy the last and it never goes away. I said I agreed there are racists of all colors, but how does that excuse any of them? I was talking only about that one time, right here, not someone else, somewhere else. How is a committed southern confederate white man calling a black man Sambo, not a racist slur? In a setting where good friends are poking each other, maybe, but that was not the case. If you were being bullied or harassed wouldn't you want someone to stand up for you? You wouldn't tolerate that kind of thing in your schools...or would you? Ya can't just suck everything up as if it didn't happen. It isn't always the "other guy" who is always wrong or touchy or thin skinned. Some things that happen just aren't right! When you are on the receiving end you'll feel differently.
I'll ask my question again...where was all of this "thats racist and needs to stop blah, blah, blah" when it comes from the other side? As for that kind of thing happening in our schools...it is. Kids are being sent home or suspended for wearing a confederate flag on their t-shirts because "oh, thats racist" yet blacks and hispanics can wear the mexican flag, or pictures of Hugo Chavez, or Malcom X, or rastafarin images and nothing happens because of "diversity".
WARPH,
O wise one---why do you think BHO did not allow cameras when he met with Neanyahu ?
One point of view......
We do not speak of the black underclass. We need to begin.
For over five years now I have gone as a reporter with the police, into the cities and the suburbs, into Washington, Chicago, Los Angeles, Denver. I have visited prisons and jails, spent night shifts in the precincts where whites don't go. What I have seen of the vast festering hordes of the black forgotten is grim. White America doesn't grasp the magnitude of the underclass, its isolation, its hopelessness, its resistance to change. Or its anger.
Go into the sprawling necrotic wastelands of the urban conglomerations. As you cross the racial divide, the world turns black, English changes, people walk differently, body language alters. In eight hours in a police car you will never see a white face. Broken windows in abandoned buildings gape at the night, home to crackheads and derelicts. Lean young men gaze at police cars with blank hostile eyes.
Go, say, to South Chicago (actually, don't: you wouldn't last an hour) where the city warehouses unwanted blacks in huge high-rise projects, ugly megaliths erupting from bleak concrete, with their own police stations and terrible schools with dropout rates of seventy-five percent. Go into homes where in mid-afternoon a half-dozen men sit listlessly before the television, along streets where they sit for hours on stoops, doing nothing. There is nothing for them to do.
The isolation of these people from the surrounding country, from anything at all except the ghetto, is near absolute. For months on end black kids here never see a white face, except on television. Nothing connects them emotionally with the greater society. They have nothing in common with the European heritage of the United States, know little of it. These are people who don't know that the English Channel separates England and France, can't tell you within a hundred years when World War I was fought or who fought it, aren't aware of ever having heard of the Bill of Rights, have never read an entire book. About anything. Ever.
If you think I'm exaggerating, think again.
Not European, not American in the usual sense, neither are they African, though they sometimes grasp at African-ness so as to have a sense of belonging. They can't name two African countries, or find Africa on an outline map of the world. They aren't African. They are urban blacks of the deep city.
The underclass does not change. Nice suburban whites hear of the growth of the black middle class, marvel at the sight of black men dating blonde Anglo women, and think that the country moves toward interracial amity. Don't kid yourself. The center of gravity of black America is the ghetto. It doesn't shrink as some few of its residents pull themselves into the middle class and leave. Maybe it grows.
The underclass is so large, so insular, that the slight mixing around the edges can't diminish it. The ghetto is self-sustaining, a world unto itself. The United States has become a first-world European nation with Kenya distributed throughout it.
The cultural gap probably widens. White America races ahead, measuring its advance in megahertz and the colonization of cyberspace. The black middle class largely keeps pace. The underclass barely knows how to read. Welfare and television, our latter-day bread and circuses, keep the lid on. Explosions come, as witness the riots in Los Angeles, but they are few. In the short term they will likely remain few. We have learned how to sedate the ghetto.
We have not learned what to do about it.
The newspapers, seldom much aware of what happens around them, speak of prejudice and oppression. Blacks of the huge, rotting, unseen downtown do not suffer from discrimination or oppression. Rather they suffer from abandonment. Nobody needs or wants them. They cannot do anything that anyone wants done. Whites feed them, talk solicitously when they remember the city at all, and live elsewhere.
If whites can do nothing about the underclass, neither can the underclass. The culture of the ghetto resists change. Many whites think of black culture as meaning an embarrassing incompetence that needs only to learn the superiority of advanced European ways. No. Black culture exists. It is rich, warm, vibrant, classy, pungent, and it is the same from Philadelphia to San Diego. Blacks like it. They don't want to be white. They don't speak the bastardized English of downtown because they couldn't learn to say, "He is" instead of, "He be." Even to white eyes there is a certain gelded quality to a black executive speaking precise white English.
We have become two nations sharing a country.
Economics works against change. No academic urge is found in the ghetto, no entrepreneurial vitality, none of the traits that make for success in a techno-industrial society. The ghetto is permanent. Hispanics seem to be pulling themselves up the ladder in the long tradition of America's immigrants, Asians do it readily, but the forgotten blacks of the ghetto don't.
What now? Do we expect things to remain stable forever? Have we, as seems to be the case, decided that no solution exists, and therefore we might as well ignore the problem? I think so. The enthusiasms of the era of civil rights have waned. Whites have moved on to other things. My circle of acquaintances, sophisticated in the ways of politics, seldom mention the chasm and, when they do, it is to concede its utter intractability.
People don't say it, not often, but they think it: There is nothing we can do. Meanwhile hatred gathers in the urban blasted heath. The riots of Los Angeles could have happened anywhere. The people of the ghetto believe that whites are the cause of their misery, and they are, just under the surface, very angry. One day this is going to come back and bite us.
.......So who's to blame for this? The federal, state or city governments.... ??? people like Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton.... ??? The Civil Rights Groups ie: ACORN, NAACP, CORE, NBJC, SNCC, SCLC....??? White America....??? Who is ever to blame, one thing is for sure, we as a nation, both black and white, need to come up with a 100% solution because, like the article said, "One day this is going to come back and bite us."
Excuse me while I go throw up now, that is the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever heard.
Sorry Varmit, in this case you are the minority.
Quote from: jarhead on March 24, 2010, 02:05:33 PM
WARPH,
O wise one---why do you think BHO did not allow cameras when he met with Neanyahu ?
One guess would be that In 2008, the United States approved an Israeli request for bunker-busters capable of destroying underground facilities, including Iranian nuclear weapons sites. Military said delivery of the weapons was held up by Barack Obama
Also since taking office, Obama has refused to approve any major Israeli requests for U.S. weapons platforms or advanced systems. This included proposed Israeli procurement of AH-64D Apache attack helicopters, refueling systems, advanced munitions and data on a stealth variant of the F-15E. Most of these weapons are stored at a military base in Diego Garcia. I imagine if a fist fight broke out between Ben and Hussein, neither one wouldn't want it on video. BTW... Ben is raving pissed at Hussein. Hussein is afraid Benn will blow the nuclear sites. That would put Israel up one on Hussein.
Quote from: Varmit on March 24, 2010, 02:19:11 PM
Excuse me while I go throw up now, that is the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever heard.
And your solution is???
Quote from: Varmit on March 24, 2010, 02:19:11 PM
Excuse me while I go throw up now, that is the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever heard.
That isn't bull.....it's the truth. Go to Kansas City dude, downtown, after dark. Take a wrong turn in New Orleans and end up in the ninth ward back when it was still there. Hell go to friggin TULSA! Take the wrong exit off the interstate cause you are lost and see a gas station and decide to ask directions and the old black guy workin there comes out loaded for bear and asks you what the hell a white girl is doin in that part of town. But then explain whats happenin and he helps you out and apologizes but reminds you this ain't no place for a white girl and to get back on the highway and stay there till you get where you are goin.
It's not just black people either.
Quote from: Warph on March 24, 2010, 02:27:49 PM
And your solution is???
Hold on, because this is going to absolutely mind blowing...maybe, just maybe, instead of blaming others for their problems (crime, slum like enviroment, drugs, gangs, poor economic conditions) they should step up and take some responsibility for themselves. Clean up their neighborhoods, control their children. Afterall, black culture is "warm, vibrant, classy, pungent.." Nothing says classy like pants worn around the knees or expressions like "he be my babies daddy" or perhaps my personal favorite "what up dog". And lets not forget Vibrant, which we all know cannot be expressed more accurately than decorating your neighborhood with trash, empty beer and malt liquor bottles.
Pam, I agree. There are areas in large cities that I wouldn't go. But why is it that these areas, for the most part, consist of mostly minority races? Not all, but mostly.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 01:01:51 PM
So now my opinion is "wrong" once again. Of course there is a double standard.That's what we've been trying to change! But if it is constantly excused in one way or another, the next generation will copy the last and it never goes away.
You know what, the only ones that are "trying to change it" are the whites. The black sure aren't concerned with it. If they were they wouldn't be calling themselves nigga or us crackers. Shrug.. I have never understood why anyone gets so upset over a name. I"ve been called far worse than sambo or anything like that. Shoot i used to work at Sambos years ago. Don't know why its now suddenly racist. Names aren't anything to get upset over. Furthermore name calling isn't racist. Racism is the belief that one race is genetically superior to another race..
QuoteHow is a committed southern confederate white man calling a black man Sambo, not a racist slur?
Because its not racism. Racism is the belief that one race is genetically superior to another race.
QuoteIf you were being bullied or harassed wouldn't you want someone to stand up for you?
No i have always handled my own battles, i'm not a wuss. Taught all my kids to handle their own battles too, Last bully i ran into was when i was in 4th grade and I cleaned his clock and he became docile and meek as a lamb afterwards.
QuoteYou wouldn't tolerate that kind of thing in your schools...or would you? Ya can't just suck everything up as if it didn't happen. It isn't always the "other guy" who is always wrong or touchy or thin skinned. Some things that happen just aren't right! When you are on the receiving end you'll feel differently.
LOL Theres always going to be those that won't stand up for themselves, eventually they will if they get tired of it. Rescuing them from their problems does nothing to help them. THey just end up dog food later on in life in the dog eat dog world.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 01:19:20 PM
Jar, I have no doubt Varmit didn't mean black people when he called "a spade a spade"...he's too young! But I'm sure not. In the south east coast it was indeed meant as a slur, if in fact a card game wasn't going on. It started out, "That darkie was as black as the ace of spades'' and eventually shortened to a "spade" being just another derogatory term, along with many others.
I don't know diane, i'm from the southeast and no it has never been a derogatory term. I am quite sure that if you wanted to, you could turn any word into a derogatory word. But calling a spade a spade is not, and mighty white of ya is not either since it has nothing to do with blacks.
Quote from: jarhead on March 24, 2010, 02:05:33 PM
WARPH,
O wise one---why do you think BHO did not allow cameras when he met with Neanyahu ?
I think its cause he is afraid that netenyahu is going to bitch slap him.
So then I guess that means that Varmit is such good " chest bump" buddies with the Pres. that calling him Sambo was just a term of endearment. I stand corrected. Ha.
I find it interesting that when a victim complains there is always a group of people that are happy to help that person see that he/she should "like" being a victim. Suppose the people involved were girls? Should they pull out their weapons and shoot...at age 8. Ya can be dead right ya know.
Since you are white you will naturally see things differently. How can you possible speak for another race? Shall we drop all pretense of civility and cuss and spit and ridicule each other? Then we can all pretend it meant nothing? "Wazza matter, can't ya take a joke?" Things are tense enough now as it is. Times of bad economies create long drinks and short fuses. It's not the first time. So I am standing up for myself and my feelings. The name calling and professional ridicule just adds nothing.
Now congress people are getting threats and bricks. I thought you folks said only Democrats resort to violence when things don't suit them? Is that about to change? We fight among ourselves, we open the door for our enemies. By the way,I'm not upset, just very disappointed at about 3 different levels.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 01:19:20 PM
Jar, I have no doubt Varmit didn't mean black people when he called "a spade a spade"...he's too young! But I'm sure not. In the south east coast it was indeed meant as a slur, if in fact a card game wasn't going on. It started out, "That darkie was as black as the ace of spades'' and eventually shortened to a "spade" being just another derogatory term, along with many others.
Diane you are totally wrong on the term calling a Spade a Spade. There has been a lot written about that and that term has been around a long tme and had absolutely nothing to do with racism. Your response was more of your liberal views coming out. Go to website below and there are others on this subject:
http://www.worldwidewords.org/topicalwords/tw-spa1.htm
By the way Diane, your greater than thou Christian Joe Biden showed his real Chritianity and intellgence in front of the world yesterday didn't he.
I don't know about the "greater than thou part" All politicians are like that, but he surely did stick his foot in it. He should know better, and I promise you he'll hear about it when he comes home.
Ok, I read the article. It did mention that the spade phrase was an old slur. How could I be wrong when I heard it used myself as a kid? Some of the local back woods hillbillies used every slur there was. Oxford and Rising Sun were rampant with Klan members in those days.
They used it how, how do you know what there intent was. I heard that term used many times and it had nothing to do with racism. I have lots of African-American friends and they have told me they get tired of the liberal left telling them that the white people don't like them or that the Right is racist. If you think racist all the time you are going to see what isn't there.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 05:39:19 PM
So then I guess that means that Varmit is such good " chest bump" buddies with the Pres. that calling him Sambo was just a term of endearment. I stand corrected. Ha.
Ok, so you obviously don't read what people actually post. I explained my Sambo comment.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 05:39:19 PM
Since you are white you will naturally see things differently. How can you possible speak for another race?
Good question. What is your answer to it, seeing as how you seem to be the local authority on what is and isn't racism and how it affects another race? Oh, wait a minute...you're white so you can't really answer that question.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 05:39:19 PM
The name calling and professional ridicule just adds nothing.
Someone really should tell obama and pelosi that. BTW, since we are kinda on the subject of name calling and ridicule where, exactly, does calling people "ill bred, uneducated white trash" come into this? How does that help the discussion? How does that attempt to change the double standard?
Since you all threw any sort of decorum out the window, I'll just jump in and play too. Nice squishy mud...should feel right at home. Who cares, if you don't why should I? You want a double standard, have at it. You can just "suck it up" too. I expected more...I was wrong.
Quote from: srkruzich on March 24, 2010, 05:03:45 PM
I think its cause he is afraid that netenyahu is going to bitch slap him.
Lordy Lordy Steve. Someone from the East coast is gonna be on you like a fly on goat poop. "Bitch slap" is a sexist remark and I heard that said on Comedy Central by a black female comic so it's quite possible it'a racist comment too.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 05:39:19 PM
Now congress people are getting threats and bricks. I thought you folks said only Democrats resort to violence when things don't suit them? Is that about to change? We fight among ourselves, we open the door for our enemies. By the way,I'm not upset, just very disappointed at about 3 different levels.
Diane, are you sure the Demo's are getting death threats and bricks and crap from the Right ? Are you sure it aint just typical Chicago politics and they are doing it themselves so the masses will feel sorry for them ? Kinda like when those black congressmen were maching to cast their historical vote and the mean ol Tea Party people called them the "N" word and spit on them ?? Does it not strike you as funny that with all the cameras rolling, mic's everywhere and cops everywhere that no one---I reapeat NO ONE--heard those words said but the ones crying foul ?
For one instance that comes to mind, not that I have spent a lot of time thinking about this, the black man who was the high school janitor would get after the boys if they were up to something and they did call him a spade on more than one occasion, behind his back.The one boy, a deadbeat red head whose name I still remember, was caught by Mr. Webb, the vice principal. One other was the one black bus driver who made the kids behave. He kicked kids off the bus and got called every slur there was. This was all in the late 50's. Surely it wouldn't happen today. Varmit,I did miss your one post...went back and read it, not sure how that excuses any thing.
There is one fellow on another forum who is just as passionate about hating Bush. He totally believes that G W had explosives planted for 9-11 and swears that the buildings couldn't have come down like they did without help. He trots out all kinds of "proof" and calls anyone who doesn't hold the same opinion all sorts of names. He calls himself "The Good American." He wants Bush arrested for homicide and really believes it! He goes on and on and on and on. What do you do about that kind of extreme thinking? He doesn't suck it up a bit well.
Jar,I only know what the news had on and yes, it certainly could have been manipulated.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 07:30:09 PM
Since you all threw any sort of decorum out the window, I'll just jump in and play too. Nice squishy mud...should feel right at home. Who cares, if you don't why should I? You want a double standard, have at it. You can just "suck it up" too. I expected more...I was wrong.
Just curious, are you going to answer my question about the white trash thing?
As far as dealing with the "Good American", use facts and logic that take apart his argument. Kinda like I've been doing.
Quote from: Teresa on March 24, 2010, 11:47:14 AM
Cowboy up~~.. Life is full of double standards ... grow a pair and deal with it!
I so agree with that statement.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 05:39:19 PM
So then I guess that means that Varmit is such good " chest bump" buddies with the Pres. that calling him Sambo was just a term of endearment. I stand corrected. Ha.
I find it interesting that when a victim complains there is always a group of people that are happy to help that person see that he/she should "like" being a victim. Suppose the people involved were girls? Should they pull out their weapons and shoot...at age 8. Ya can be dead right ya know.
No need for weapons, just teach the gals to knock the * out of them. I've got i don't know how many female cousins, and if any man or woman tried to bully them, they would knock them into next week.
QuoteSince you are white you will naturally see things differently. How can you possible speak for another race?
Because i lived around different races, participated in activities with other races. I can tell ya the ones who raise the most hell about racism are the young ones. The older folks know what racism is. And they know that it is nowhere near what it was 50 years ago. These kids today don't have a clue as to what racism is all about. Most of them have had opportunity handed to them on a silver platter. But theres a whole lot of em that refuse to use it to better themselves. Even Bill cosby has come out and told the blacks that its their fault not the white folks fault for their predicament.
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Now congress people are getting threats and bricks. I thought you folks said only Democrats resort to violence when things don't suit them? Is that about to change? We fight among ourselves, we open the door for our enemies. By the way,I'm not upset, just very disappointed at about 3 different levels.
I have hear rumors but i doubt its happening. Just like the staged barny frank saga in the capitol building hte other day. it was setup to start a controversy to make him look persecuted.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 06:09:44 PM
Ok, I read the article. It did mention that the spade phrase was an old slur. How could I be wrong when I heard it used myself as a kid? Some of the local back woods hillbillies used every slur there was. Oxford and Rising Sun were rampant with Klan members in those days.
Oh lord, Diane, the klan is nothing but a washed up group of skinhead idiots. They aren't even a consideration anymore. Most Confederate southerners laugh them out of town. They come in and act like blithering idiots waving the Tennessee battle flag around like they know what its all about. The idiots came into town one day back in 2000 i think, during a re-enactment parade around the courthouse square and the re-enactors with their LOADED weapons corralled up the klan, too the battle flag away from them and ran em out of town.
The klan was not a racist organization to begin with. It was started by Nathan Bedford Forrest in order to run the carpet baggers out of the south. It was very successful at first, but then when they ran out those lowlifes, some of the chapters started taking on anyone they didn't like. So Nathan Forrest dissolved it. Later on a group brought it back to life as a group that took on northern judges that wouldn't uphold the law. then they got worse and worse throughout the years as more evil men took over.
I grew up with klansmen all around me, and the only time they ever went after anyone was when the courts wouldn't do anything. Remember when one fella was beating up his wife all the time. They stopped it quickly. He was the most respectful man around women afterwards.
They did do some good.
Quote from: jarhead on March 24, 2010, 07:32:03 PM
quote author=srkruzich
I think its cause he is afraid that netenyahu is going to bitch slap him.
Lordy Lordy Steve. Someone from the East coast is gonna be on you like a fly on goat poop. "Bitch slap" is a sexist remark and I heard that said on Comedy Central by a black female comic so it's quite possible it'a racist comment too.
Oh crap i'm sunk.....
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 07:58:22 PM
For one instance that comes to mind, not that I have spent a lot of time thinking about this, the black man who was the high school janitor would get after the boys if they were up to something and they did call him a spade on more than one occasion, behind his back.The one boy, a deadbeat red head whose name I still remember, was caught by Mr. Webb, the vice principal. One other was the one black bus driver who made the kids behave. He kicked kids off the bus and got called every slur there was. This was all in the late 50's. Surely it wouldn't happen today. Varmit,I did miss your one post...went back and read it, not sure how that excuses any thing.
There is one fellow on another forum who is just as passionate about hating Bush. He totally believes that G W had explosives planted for 9-11 and swears that the buildings couldn't have come down like they did without help. He trots out all kinds of "proof" and calls anyone who doesn't hold the same opinion all sorts of names. He calls himself "The Good American." He wants Bush arrested for homicide and really believes it! He goes on and on and on and on. What do you do about that kind of extreme thinking? He doesn't suck it up a bit well.
Oh i love people like that. I would just feed his paranoia! LOL
I never did get you guys to understand and my concern has grown legs and walked into all kinds of other discussion. So I give up.You've all taken a bite out of me, fine. I hope the next Republican president has the same problem...Hope he's of a different race too ,that would be lots of fun to watch to see who squirms. Most people still can't seem to grasp the difference between race and ethnicity.
It must be spring sure enough 'cause all the skunks are out.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 09:28:31 PM
I never did get you guys to understand and my concern has grown legs and walked into all kinds of other discussion. So I give up.You've all taken a bite out of me, fine. I hope the next Republican president has the same problem...Hope he's of a different race too ,that would be lots of fun to watch to see who squirms. Most people still can't seem to grasp the difference between race and ethnicity.
Diane, don't you understand, no one gives a damn anymore about race and ethnicity outside of being fed up with it being forced on us. This bs of calling ones self a afro/chinese/japanese/polkdotted- american, had gone far enough. Who gives a rats fanny where they originally came from. Heck my folks came from croatia. So what. Big freaking deal. The fact is we are no LONGER african/polkadotted/japanese/chinese ect ect ect IF your born in America, your AMERICAN. Your ethnicity is AMERICAN.
This country was less segregated in 1960 than it is now. Everyone now seems to have to have their own group to be a part of. Well what the hell happened to being AMERICAN! and being proud of it. America was always called the great melting pot. thats because everyone came over and became Americans. Now no one is suggesting that you can't know your heritage. But why must we lessen the title American by adding to it?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 24, 2010, 09:28:31 PM
I never did get you guys to understand and my concern has grown legs and walked into all kinds of other discussion. So I give up.You've all taken a bite out of me, fine. I hope the next Republican president has the same problem...Hope he's of a different race too ,that would be lots of fun to watch to see who squirms. Most people still can't seem to grasp the difference between race and ethnicity.
It wasn't about taking a bite out of you. Bush was accused of racism as well, so theres no need to wait for the next Republican president.
But hey, speaking of "squirming"...why have you repeatedly avoided my question? To me, it seems that your avoidance of my question only serves to illustrate the hypocrisy of the "diversity" crowd. I mean most of them are more than willing to stand up and point out whenever a white person says something derogatory or uses a racial slur but they remain silent when the coin is flipped. I used the term "Sambo" one time in reference to the president during this thread, you hollered "racist". Yet, in the same breath you call me "ill bred, uneducated, white trash", you used the term "back woods hillbilly" when refering to other white folks. A term, I would like to point out whose meaning has been changed by the mainstream media and popular television. If we are going to change the "double standard" then we have to look at both sides of the issue honestly and stop with all the politically correct manure. The fact that no one wants to admit is that there ARE different classes of people. This idea that just because we are all human beings we're all the same, is bullshit.
Economic factors do not define the classes, nor does "privledge", or even race for that matter. The classes are defined by a certain mindset and attitude. For example, compare the slums of South Chicago where whites are a minority to rural areas of the mid-west where people, mostly whites, are barely scratching out a living. On one hand you have a group of people that live in squalor, thrash filled neighborhoods, that wouldn't dare venture out after dark. And if you ask them, the reason for their plight is always someone elses fault. On the other hand, you have the dirt farmers and rednecks. These folks, although poor, are still able to maintain their dignigity and a sense of personal responsibility. They may live in nothing more than a shack or a rundown trailer but it is clean, their kids go to school whether they want to or not, and woe to any kid that brings home a failing grade or disrespects his/her parents or another adult. Their clothes may be a little on the "used" side but mamma makes sure they are clean and daddy makes sure they are worn properly. They don't look at an employment oppurtunity as being beneath them but are happy to get any job they can. Their plight is not caused by another race or "the man trying to keep them down". They strive to better themselves and provide for their children whom they teach to never just give up.
Are there exceptions to this? Of course. But seldom will you find the attidudes of those intertwined although their social and economic situations are the same. The reason for this difference, I believe, is because of the leaders in these communities. One group constantly hears about how the white man is keeping them down, and that society as a whole owes them something. Their cultural icons glorify things like drug dealing, prostitution, and gang violence and hold it up as a means to get out of the ghetto. When was the last time you heard people like Biggie Small, JayZ, ili Wayne, Puff Daddy, P-Diddy, tell the kids in those communities to keep their butts in school, study and work hard, stay away from drugs, and take responsibility for themselves and their neighborhood?
We hear people like Jesse Jackson and Al Shaprton go on and on about people like Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. but seldom to they instruct those in the inner cities to actually emulate the teachings and example of King and Parks.
Varmit, I'm not sure what question I didn't answer, it's entirely possible that I did miss something, but before I go hunting, perhaps I should say what was just told to me....Grow a pair and deal with it, suck it up. You and several others have called the POTUS every foul POS comment there is and I've never said a word...that's your business. I just happen to think your one comment was over the top and unnecessary, bad form, period. Apparently I've now been compared to a skunk.That's a shame. Once in awhile I stand up for something and I immediately get called out over it. And yet again you forget who you are talking to. When I was teaching in Cecil County we had plenty of proud, poor, clean families who still had dirt floors and no indoor plumbing. We also had the back woods hillbillies, not families...young, mean males who would now be known as skinheads. They were still fighting the civil war and blamed blacks and Jews for anything that didn't suit them.They did run stills back in the woods and occasionally had serious fires and poisoned each other.They were terrible and dangerous.The notorious Johnston family was the local PA branch and while most are in prison now, a few are still out there. And yes, I do like diversity. I live in a college town so we have a rich culture here made up of much more than just WASPS. Actually I agree with a lot of what you just wrote...shows much more depth and understanding than I am used to from what you usually write.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 25, 2010, 10:12:14 AM
Varmit, I'm not sure what question I didn't answer, it's entirely possible that I did miss something, but before I go hunting, perhaps I should say what was just told to me....Grow a pair and deal with it, suck it up.
Actually, there are several that haven't been answered, however the main one that I was refering to and have posted twice is...
QuoteBTW, since we are kinda on the subject of name calling and ridicule where, exactly, does calling people "ill bred, uneducated white trash" come into this? How does that help the discussion? How does that attempt to change the double standard?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 25, 2010, 10:12:14 AM
Once in awhile I stand up for something and I immediately get called out over it. And yet again you forget who you are talking to.
Diane, you can't stand up for something and Not expect to get called out on it, espcially when someone has a different view on it. And NO, I haven't forgotten who I'm talking to.
As far as the rest of your post, if you'll look at my last post I said that there are exceptions to almost every rule. And while I live in a mainly WASP area, I to enjoy diversity, so long as it applies to everyone and not just a select few. Which is exactly what the groups that push diversity want. They want the minorities to have the freedom to express their culture while the majority is told to keep quiet, thats not diversity, thats racism.
Ok, I went back and found it. It was in response to your Sambo comment. So you are the author and owner of the "discussion" that followed. Your name was not mentioned, but you know what they say....if the shoe fits. My response can be whatever I want it to be. YOU started it. (Sound enough like kids on the playground?) You started it, so I can be as smarmy as I want. YOU suck it up for a change and take your licks. I've had enough. As long as I'm here and you are there, I'll not stand a chance for an even playing field for a debate or discussion or anything else. So be it. By the way, when are you marching on Washington so I can open the gun safe and be sure my weapons are clean?
Diane,
I'm just a dumb redneck so sometimes I need people to explain to me when they speak in parables. What do you mean when you asked Billy when he was going to march on DC , so you could clean your weapons ? Do you mean you will march in solidarity with him or-------------------heaven forbid you mean that as a threat
Stupidity isn't a virus...But it sure spreads like one. I can't believe all the diatribe that has been posted on this thread...And you wonder why it's hard to attract people to Elk County...
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 25, 2010, 02:20:36 PM
Ok, I went back and found it. It was in response to your Sambo comment. So you are the author and owner of the "discussion" that followed. Your name was not mentioned, but you know what they say....if the shoe fits. My response can be whatever I want it to be. YOU started it. (Sound enough like kids on the playground?) You started it, so I can be as smarmy as I want. YOU suck it up for a change and take your licks. I've had enough. As long as I'm here and you are there, I'll not stand a chance for an even playing field for a debate or discussion or anything else. So be it. By the way, when are you marching on Washington so I can open the gun safe and be sure my weapons are clean?
Well, Kudos to you Diane!! Way to avoid the questions totally and use misdirection and absolutely no logic!! Spoken like a true liberal.
Anyone with a first grade reading comprehension level can see that your "ill bred..." comment was directed at me.
BTW, you couldn't ask for a more even playing field than an open, public forum where everyone regardless of race can post their opinion. I have been taking my licks since I came to this forum, and until I get kicked off of it I will continue to post my opinion, regardless of how others may view it. If you choose to leave thats on you.
So, if you want to make sure your weapons are clean, more power to you. Me? I KNOW my are clean, loaded, and ready to go.
Hey i'm still miffed about her sexist comment about men not ironing sheets!
Steve, was I wrong? ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 25, 2010, 08:11:54 PM
Steve, was I wrong? ;D
Oh actually, i'll bet that ole jarhead knows his way around with a iron. And i'm pretty handy with one. Even know how to use them old fashioned ones you set on top of a woodstove.
Youve got to remember, i was a Unix admin for fortune 100 companies and i was also a single parent. SO i had to do my own ironing, that is until i started taking my clothes to the cleaners.
I can also sew, crochet, cross stitch, quilt, and cook.
Billy.. you can't take loaded guns to the March... sorry... ;)
Quote from: Catwoman on March 25, 2010, 06:46:46 PM
Stupidity isn't a virus...But it sure spreads like one. I can't believe all the diatribe that has been posted on this thread...And you wonder why it's hard to attract people to Elk County...
LOL.... well put, Cat. The way it was going I thought I was reading something outa Zane Gray or Louie L'Amour. Sorta put you in mind of that song by Johnny Cash, "Don't take your guns to town, son/ leave your guns at home, Bill"... Lets see, how's that song go... oh yeah....A young cowboy named Billy grew restless on the farm.... yada... yada... yada.....
Quote from: Catwoman on March 25, 2010, 06:46:46 PM
Stupidity isn't a virus...But it sure spreads like one. I can't believe all the diatribe that has been posted on this thread...And you wonder why it's hard to attract people to Elk County...
Diatribe as defined by Dictionary.com--
a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism.
Seeing as how Diane, Pam, and some others do not live in Elk county it is only logical to assume that your statement was aimed at those of us who do. So, that being said are you willing to support what you said with actual evidence? Before you do, however, I would like to point out that the "bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism" have come mostly from those living outside Elk County.
Oh Warph, by the way, before you start tooting your own horn, you might want to go back review some of the posts on this thread. The largest "diatribe" so far has been yours.
HEY..... leave my ass out of this I ain't said a word to or about anybody for quite awhile on this. Never said anything ABOUT anybody to START with............yall ALL need to stop with the my d*&^% bigger than yours bull anyway....that's the MAIN reason nothin ever changes for the better in this country...thats how one bunch with an agenda grabs the steerin wheel and while the rest of em are still arguin over whose is bigger drives the whole bunch off a cliff and everybody is sittin at the bottom wonderin how the hell they GOT there.
Where I live now is a lot more backwoods than Elk county ever thought of bein and I LIKE it just fine thank you very much.
On another subject...I watched Boondock Saints for the first time last nite...GOOD movie.
Pam, WTF ??? All I said is that you don't live in Elk County. You might want to try actually reading a post before you comment on it.
Quote from: Varmit on March 26, 2010, 07:34:40 AM
Diatribe as defined by Dictionary.com--
a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism.
Oh Warph, by the way, before you start tooting your own horn, you might want to go back review some of the posts on this thread. The largest "diatribe" so far has been yours.
If you mean my "diatribe" against the Obama health care reform bill, you're right on. But notice it was against Obamacare which this thread is supposed to be about. Toot Toot!
Quote from: Varmit on March 26, 2010, 11:19:32 AM
Pam, WTF ??? All I said is that you don't live in Elk County. You might want to try actually reading a post before you comment on it.
Did read it. Should have separated the leave my ass out of it and the rest of the post :P The rest of it is pretty much how I feel about how these things go.
Jar, Varmit has nothing to fear from my weapons, but there are goofballs out there who would love to use marchers as an excuse to run amok. Or maybe I'd stake him out for bait! ;D
I guess I'll never make my point about the name calling clear, so I'll give up. I've been called names, so have others, it has been meant to hurt and it did and does. Sometimes ya just try to give people a dose of their own medicine so they'll "get it", but I've failed. I really didn't think I was the only one left out there who didn't care for the raw, edgy, slurs and rhetoric. There is no point in my trying to push a rock up hill, so I''ll withdraw from trying. I was raised by two Kansas parents who believed in manners and respect, especially of elders, even if there was a difference of opinion. I was taught to debate issues and not make it personal. I guess that got lost somewhere along the line. If I had ever presumed to speak to someone twice my age as I have been spoken to here, I would have been severely punished, free speech be darned. So instead of an apology, it's "suck it up?" How lovely. If that's the way this forum thinks it needs to go, fine. If that is what Kansas has turned into, well, I lose. I just got a delightful letter today from the daughter of a life long Kansas friend of my mother, up dating me on her 97 year old mother and her declining health. That's more typical of the Kansas people I used to know. She didn't have to do that, but she made the effort and I really appreciated it.
A good lively debate of political issues is a great thing, but when it's made personal and the ridicule starts, then I'm done. That is beneath me and I'll not rise to it. And yes, I most certainly know the difference between fun poking and mean, hurtful ridicule.
Diane you AREN'T the only one who thinks the racial slur thing is stupid. MOST people do. Even most people who live in Elk County.
Thing about discussin politics or religion is...........I have NEVER seen anybody do either one and NOT get rude or pissed LOL. You have two sides on either discussion....the one who thinks they are RIGHT and the OTHER one who thinks they are right and anybody who tries to meet in the middle is just gonna get stomped by BOTH. ( that's a BIG reason I don't bother anymore much) AND the answer to Warphs "Did you ever wonder" question why nobody bothers to post in politics anymore. Personally .......I KNOW I don't agree with most of the posted opinions and MOST of the posters don't agree or care what MY opinion is so stew in your own juice is my position at the present time about them LOL. I just rejoined out of cussedness and just read. I'll post if I feel like it or get bored but that's about it...in HERE anyway.
Warph, No. I was referring to your post on the poor, underclass ghetto piece.
Diane, I have been rude to you? Where? Which post?
My concern is that the name calling and racial slurs will only be used as an excuse to tread on our 2nd amendment rights. (I know guys, you already feel treaded upon). But anyone who says it can't get any worse is really tempting fate. I don't believe in being passive or quiet but I do believe in using our words wisely.
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on March 27, 2010, 03:23:47 PM
My concern is that the name calling and racial slurs will only be used as an excuse to tread on our 2nd amendment rights. (I know guys, you already feel treaded upon). But anyone who says it can't get any worse is really tempting fate. I don't believe in being passive or quiet but I do believe in using our words wisely.
Oh now that obama doesn't have this healthcare disaster on his plate, he is turning towards our 2nd amendment rights.
Read where he's giving mexico some software to track any gun found in mexico to the origin of sale. Thats the start of it. Next thing, forcing us to register all guns, next thing to that is siezure
Steve,why do you assume that the one step will lead to the others.? Here we are going just the opposite. The local housing authority wanted to restrict guns because some of the characters who hang out there are pretty rough. They were stopped because there is a constitutional question ( Delaware's state constitution) as to whether they can do it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 27, 2010, 05:51:47 PM
Steve,why do you assume that the one step will lead to the others.? Here we are going just the opposite. The local housing authority wanted to restrict guns because some of the characters who hang out there are pretty rough. They were stopped because there is a constitutional question ( Delaware' state constitution) as to whether they can do it.
Because that is one of his primary goals in his term. The dems have worked tirelessly to weaken the 2nd amendment and to further burden gun owners with useless laws. More recently there was a meeting about gun control world wide and obama was making promises he can't keep to them. Laws do not stop criminals from obtaining guns, never has. I don't understand why dems can't understand simple english. The 2nd amendment says that no one can deny the right to keep and bear arms and no law can be made to infringe on that right.
If the gun shows across the country are growing like the one here, they will certainly be having more and more people to come after. I went to ours yesterday and was once again amazed at the numbers both of vendors and people. The parking lot at the Fair Grounds was full clear to the back, long lines to get in, elbow to elbow people. We are also having them more frequently.
Same here. Our fire company hall is used and it's very popular.