On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a
two-page amendment courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn that would
require all Members and their staffs to enroll in any new
government-run health plan. It took me less than a minute to sign up
to require our congressmen and senators to drink at the same trough!
Three cheers for Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana !
Congressman John Fleming ( Louisiana physician) has proposed an
amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same
healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are
curiously exempt).
Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and
sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email). I have immediately done just that at:
http://fleming.house.gov/index.html
Please urge as many people as you can to do the same!
If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should
have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their
families. To do otherwise is the height of hypocrisy!
:( What is good for the people that voted them in, should be good enough for them. All though they say they will not join the health care, they want the general public too. >:(
I signed it!!
I couldn't get on gave me a error saying too many people accessing it
heh, i signed it
When I first saw this I thought, "hell yeah, make'em join to". However, I thought about it some more. If I don't want to be forced to take part in gov't healtcare, they shouldn't be either. Not only that but it wouldn't do any good anyway. For example, they are supposed to follow the same laws that we do, right? How many of you have ever tried the excuse of "oh, I forgot to pay my taxes" and got away with it? Or lied under oath ("I did not have sexual relations with that woman) and gotten away with it?
The petition we should be signing is one to do away with gov't funded healthcare totally. I think things like this are used as distractions to draw people away from the real issue.
Billy, that's right - do away with gov't healthcare.
So you want to eliminate an employer's ability to provide health care as a negotiated benefit?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 03, 2009, 12:35:39 PM
So you want to eliminate an employer's ability to provide health care as a negotiated benefit?
Its not the employers responsibility to provide health benefits. Its the individuals responsibility. Does the employer pay your house insurance or you car insurance? No they don't so why should they have to pay for the health insurance??????
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 03, 2009, 12:35:39 PM
So you want to eliminate an employer's ability to provide health care as a negotiated benefit?
Depends on who the employer is? If you're talking about the gov't providing health insurance benefits to its employees, then no. But that is not the issues here. The issue is the gov't providing healthcare to everyone in the U.S.
I can only speak for here of course, but for many many years the big industries have used health care and vacation benefits as bargaining chips to attract top potential employees. Gov't employees here ( local ,county and state) tend to have lower salaries but slightly better negotiated health care benefits, some with cafeterias style programs, and slightly better retirement plans.As the economy has failed and contracts are up for renewal benefits are changing. I won't bore you with the details, but people are very aware that the money pot is not a bottomless pit. You'll just call me a liar, but I am not for the proposed Gov't plan. This is the first and last word I have said or will say on that subject.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 03, 2009, 01:01:59 PM
I can only speak for here of course, but for many many years the big industries have used health care and vacation benefits as bargaining chips to attract top potential employees. Gov't employees here ( local ,county and state) tend to have lower salaries but slightly better negotiated health care benefits, some with cafeterias style programs, and slightly better retirement plans.As the economy has failed and contracts are up for renewal benefits are changing. I won't bore you with the details, but people are very aware that the money pot is not a bottomless pit. You'll just call me a liar, but I am not for the proposed Gov't plan. This is the first and last word I have or will say on that subject.
You are right the benefits were there to bring in the best of the best. But the benefits are still not the obligation of the employer. It is a "gift" so to speak for those who have worked hard to be the best.
Diane, I don't mind gov't employees recieveing healthcare benefits. I just don't want the gov't trying to provide healthcare for every single person in the United States.
Quote from: Varmit on December 03, 2009, 01:43:00 PM
Diane, I don't mind gov't employees recieveing healthcare benefits. I just don't want the gov't trying to provide healthcare for every single person in the United States.
Well, its a good thing that the government won't be doing that as part of their new plan.
Quote from: Anmar on December 03, 2009, 04:14:10 PM
Well, its a good thing that the government won't be doing that as part of their new plan.
No, but from what I understand they'll slap a great big fine on you if you don't go buy it.
They fine you for not having health care, you don't have to buy it from the government. If you can't afford it, the government will give you a voucher to buy healthcare from whomever you want
If they are giving vouchers then they are paying for it. Either way it is still wrong and should be stopped.
Quote from: Anmar on December 03, 2009, 10:00:01 PM
They fine you for not having health care, you don't have to buy it from the government. If you can't afford it, the government will give you a voucher to buy healthcare from whomever you want
There in lies the entire problem. Fining someone for not buying a product is unconscionable. It is Unconstitutional as well as a direct assault on our freedom.
If they can get away with this, then whats to stop them from saying ok you have to buy xyz product or be fined.
Next step on this slippery slope is You murder your unborn baby or be fined.
To fine someone, requires a crime to be committed. How is making a choice to Not partake in some product a crime. Lets see, not buying insurance on your car is NOT a crime, if you don't drive. Thats fair enough. Just don't drive and your fine you have a choice.
Not buying health insurance is a crime unless you are dead. There IS NO choice that doesn't violate the entire constitution.