and give it a rest with yalls latest big boogeyman.......the "indoctrinating" public school system. Y'all came from public school didn't you? Are yall brain dead zombies walkin around sayin "must follow the program and eat brains?"
You all get on here and pronunce your latest conspiracy theory about who's doin what and to who behind our backs and who really isn't who they say they are and how YOU all are privvy to the BIG SECRET and are the ONLY ones who know the real story............
These same stories have circulated in one form or another ever since this country came into being.....the head "boogeyman" names just change but the story remains the same.
Y'all actually ought to read some of the stuff you say from the perspective of another person who doesn't know you. Trust me you would get a BIG wake-up call....maybe....or maybe you all ARE really that friggin paranoid..I don't know.
Few of you back up your opinions with your true identities........least I can say I do.
As for the posts about how places are destitute because of the people who live there and what they allow.....have y'all looked around that neck of the woods lately?
This is just the rambling post of a person who doesn't post much anymore because I DON"T fit THANK GOD.......yall just get in here and scare each other to death.......it actually gives me a chuckle now and then.
If some of yall get mad and rip me over this don't expect a reply LOLOL
Maybe instead of the Weekly Reader I should have used the National Enquirer. ;D ;D ;D Thanks Pam, you keep me from throwing my computer out the window.
Quote from: pamsback on November 28, 2009, 04:00:34 PM
and give it a rest with yalls latest big boogeyman.......the "indoctrinating" public school system. Y'all came from public school didn't you? Are yall brain dead zombies walkin around sayin "must follow the program and eat brains?"
No, pam, we are not, and thank God. However, considering what happened and continues to happen concerning our so called president, I would say that there are many brain dead zombies out there.
Quote from: pamsback on November 28, 2009, 04:00:34 PM
You all get on here and pronunce your latest conspiracy theory about who's doin what and to who behind our backs and who really isn't who they say they are and how YOU all are privvy to the BIG SECRET and are the ONLY ones who know the real story............
It is no big secret. In fact most of what "we" have posted can be found by looking outside mainstream media, without that much digging. But there are folks out there that are content with being spoon fed the same drivel day in and day out. They simply refuse to see what is happening.
Quote from: pamsback on November 28, 2009, 04:00:34 PM
Y'all actually ought to read some of the stuff you say from the perspective of another person who doesn't know you. Trust me you would get a BIG wake-up call....maybe....or maybe you all ARE really that friggin paranoid..I don't know.
Hey, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you. ;D Seriously though, those in need of a wake up are the ones who sit on the side and say, "oh well, SSDD, this to shall pass". In case you haven't noticed Gov't encroachment on personal liberties and abandnment of the Constitution has gotten worse throughout history and needs to stop.
Quote from: pamsback on November 28, 2009, 04:00:34 PM
Few of you back up your opinions with your true identities........least I can say I do.
So then we should believe that "Pamsback" is your real name, the one you use to sign checks, contracts, medical records with? Thats what it says on your birth certificate, "Pamsback"?
Quote from: pamsback on November 28, 2009, 04:00:34 PM
If some of yall get mad and rip me over this don't expect a reply LOLOL
Yeaaaah, how many times have we heard that one before??
pamsback means PAM is back and yeah everybody pretty much knows who I am.
no reply means I am not interested in arguing about what I said. It was a statement not a question open to argument (shrug)
That is not what you implied with your post. And aside from this forum I don't know you from Adams cat, for all I know your real name could be Bob. Not that it matters really. If people chose to post using a "nickname" or whatever, so what? That doesn't mean they lack conviction, not does it give you the right to accuse them of such.
It's easy to have opinions when nobody knows who you are. That's why there are so many opinionated people on the internet.
You would be surprised to know how many people who read this know EXACTLY who I am.
I don't talk to be anonymous.....I came on this forum because I was born and raised in Severy and spent my entire school life in the Severy,North Elk West Elk system and I still have family and friends in Greenwood and Elk counties.
I came on here because there WERE some really good discussions in here and we could have interesting conversations on the ISSUES without a bunch of snotty name-calling and brow-beating of the people who didn't agree with each other. It has gone seriously down-hill. I got in the harshness also, I can give as good as I get which is nothin to be proud of because I let myself get drug down in the mud which has contributed to the downward trend in here.
I have unpopular opinions on some subjects...so what. they are my opinions and SOME people made me see my position in another light and adjust said opinions back when we could talk instead of ridicule on here. I haven't learned much of ANYthing for aWHILE which is why you don't see me in here much anymore.
When I say I'm not replying...it means I really don't see myself changing anything I said and it still holds true for this subject. I DON'T change anything I said.
Man I got to go.......it's midnight! I may be rattlin cages tomorrow or the next day tho ;)
welcome back pam
No, I didn't come out of the public school system.
I have to ask this question,Pam do you really talk the way you wrote your orginal thread or were you making fun of the people on the forum?
Jane
Quote from: Sarah on November 29, 2009, 07:54:42 AM
No, I didn't come out of the public school system.
Which may help explain why you come across as a sane, level headed independent thinker! ;D
I believe she also stated she didn't like it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: pamsback on November 28, 2009, 11:46:41 PM
It's easy to have opinions when nobody knows who you are. That's why there are so many opinionated people on the internet.
You would be surprised to know how many people who read this know EXACTLY who I am.
1. It's no easier to have an opinion when 'nobody knows who you are' than when everybody knows who you are. Or even when half the audience knows who you are. Of course, whether the opinion is well thought out, rationally based in fact and supported by evidence is another matter entirely.
2. Personally, I'm not surprised at all that many people know who you are. I have no doubt that you make sure some folks know who you are.
3. As for me? I don't want to know who you are nor do I want to know. I'm here to see the opinions of others, express some of my own and engage in some stimulating discussions.
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(Opening Post) If some of yall get mad and rip me over this don't expect a reply LOLOL
(1st Reply) no reply means I am not interested in arguing about what I said. It was a statement not a question open to argument (shrug)
(2nd Reply) When I say I'm not replying...it means I really don't see myself changing anything I said and it still holds true for this subject. I DON'T change anything I said.
Uh.... ok. So were we to take accept your view in the opening post... or the 1st reply... or the 2nd reply?
Jane asks a fine question. {Patriot passes Pam and Pamsback some capital letters and punctuation marks for her use.}
LMAO.... Now that I've 'gotten mad and ripped you over this', I'll sit back and wait for your non-reply. Or should I just accept that you were making a statement that wasn't open to argument? Or should I simply accept that you don't see yourself changing? Oh, wait! I forgot that you said you weren't going to reply.
On second thought, how about you give me a break.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 29, 2009, 09:35:52 AM
I believe she also stated she didn't like it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I may be mistaken, Diane, but it seems that several of your recent posts have alluded to the 'likability' of the school environment. Is that really what school and education is about. So by extension, if kids don't like immunizations, we shouldn't administer them? If kids don't like vegetables, then we shouldn't even serve the green beans? I can't agree. Sometimes the best things for us are unpleasant and not fun. I challenge anyone to make a squared + b squared = c squared 'fun'. Some things just need to be 'learned', regardless of our 'feelings' about the topic or the environment.
Now before you present all the 'evidence' that kids learn better in 'positive' environments, I'll stipulate that a positive environment is a good thing and probably enhances the learning experience. I will not, however, agree that all educational environments must be 'liked' to be effective. And not all things educational need to be associated with 'warm, fuzzy, fun, positives'. Sometimes life deals out red ink and checkmarks for wrong choices. Heck, sometimes life deals out some pretty stiff 'spankings'.
How much money have we spent on education to make the 'learning experience' more pleasant, interesting, fun, etc.? How does one reconcile all that effort and expense with the continuing fall in overall test results in our country? Especially when compared to other countries who are more results focused who whip our butts in overall scoring.
In summary, I stand by my comment. Maybe Sarah didn't like her educational environment. But the bottom line is that she learned. And as I said, she appears to have learned well while retaining her ability to think and express herself in a reasoned, clear thinking and independent manner.
Hey, Sarah! How's it feel to be talked about as an object as if you weren't even here? Sorry, 'bout that.
I don't recall saying that an important part of education was to make it fun. In fact, I've often said that some things just aren't fun, like learning multiplication tables and such. You just have to suck it up and memorize them. There are a good many things that do lend themselves to fun learning, especially hands on things in Science and Social Studies. But the goal is learning that sticks, not fun. I never taught high school except as a fire safety resource teacher, so I can't address that with any authority. I know the teachers used to complain they had a hard time competing with TV and all to make things interesting, but now with computers and smart boards and live streaming and videos and You Tube and all, that shouldn't be a problem any longer. It's all spread out before the kids if they'll just dine at the education table. You just wasted your post on me. ( I'm the old meanie that kept one kid in from recess one day when a boy's mother sent me a note excusing her son from his homework because it was his birthday. He stayed in and did his homework the next day. ;D
I know where Sarah went to school but she can tell about that if she wishes. ;)
No ma'am I was not makin fun of anybody that is my general way of talkin when I'm talkin to people. I can put on the educated thing with the best of em but it just ain't me every day.
Patriot.. it's ALWAYS easier to stick your neck out when you don't figure there are goin to be consequences or repercussions.
People who are better at it than YOU are have tried to cut me down and shut me up LMAO.
I changed my mind about replying to SOME posts. My main position has not changed one bit. I have little use for chaos mongers.
As for people knowin who I am.....I don't make a point of it. It always somewhat surprises me when my family says so and so was readin your post and said they really liked it or NOT for that matter. I look at this as a FORUM.....a place for intelligent discussion and civilized argument. Never really think about who might be readin it but the person I'm talkin to at the moment.
As for my punctuation or grammar......LOL I can speak the kings english with the best of them.......HOWever.....I am what I am and I talk how I want. I don't need your help with that subject thanks :)
You have a good grasp of sarcasm and "oh she's not paht of the club" ( the h is deliberate as a snotty accent by the way) but I ain't sweatin it LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I guess I would rather have people think of me as educated instead of someone born in the hills with no education at all. And all of of your LOL and LMAO, if you have something to say spell it out or leave it out.
Testy today? What's wrong? Nobody is picking on you that I saw.
Quote from: Jane on November 29, 2009, 02:30:54 PM
I guess I would rather have people think of me as educated instead of someone born in the hills with no education at all. And all of of your LOL and LMAO, if you have something to say spell it out or leave it out.
Sounds like a personal problem to me...... Laugh My Ass Off Out Loud. ;D
Quote from: pamsback on November 29, 2009, 03:30:17 PM
Sounds like a personal problem to me...... Laugh My Ass Off Out Loud. ;D
Give up, Jane. pammy's meds must have run out. It seems he..er.. she..er it prefers to dodge n weave rather than be direct.
OOOOOhhhhhhhhh....major cut down LOL. I'm crushed ;D
I'll try to carry on knowing Patriot doesn't like me...........it'll be hard.......but I'll try to tough it out........... :P
gotta wonder bout a guy who gets his jollies tryin to insult people he doesn't know ;)
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OOOOOhhhhhhhhh....major cut down LOL. I'm crushed ;D
I'll try to carry on knowing Patriot doesn't like me...........it'll be hard.......but I'll try to tough it out........... :P
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I never said I disliked you. ;D
Quote from: pamsback on November 29, 2009, 06:27:00 PM
gotta wonder bout a guy who gets his jollies tryin to insult people he doesn't know ;)
Wonder all you will. Suffice to quote someone who recently responded to another who was wondering about intent:
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Sounds like a personal problem to me...... Laugh My Ass Off Out Loud. Grin
Have a great day!
LOL
Sorry, had to catch up on all the bantering. Been out all day trying to find a really REALLY quiet well broke horse for me and I'm not having much luck and so two tanks of gas later and being really tired, my post my come across confusing, so just bear with me. :D
I didn't "not" like my school environment. The teachers were all very sweet good teachers. I was just a strange little kid that didn't get along with other little kids. LOL Well in my highschool years I had trouble with just being the nerd of the bunch. LOL Hope that clears things up.
My dislike for the public school system has more to do with my personal experience with friends that came out of the public schools and other people's kids that come out of the public schools and I'm not impressed. But mostly, I don't like what they teach. The public schools don't uphold Christian values which I find very important to me personally and to my family and there are things that I do not feel are appropriate to teach children, especially at the age they're teaching it these days. I don't like leaving my kids to the mercy of a school board and the government to decide what they will learn and when. I like to have a little more control over that. That is one nice thing about private schools. Since the school is funded by the parents that pay the tuition, then there is an accountability there. If enough parents dislike what the school is teaching or how it is run, then the school ceases to stay in business. But since public schools are mainly funded through the government, then they can turn out mediocre kids and yet they keep getting their funds. shrug
Hope that made sense.
Lady, you're making a lot of sense and it's understandable what you're saying.
A hundred years ago, or more, you would have been in the vast majority of
Americans.
Patriot, I think her meds ran out long before she got started.
Diane,
Were you directing that testy comment to me? I do not care if you think I am testy or not. No one ask you, it was just my thought on writing instead of using text message on the forum. 8)
I don't disagree, but it isn't a hundred years ago..it's today! Public schools aren't supposed to let anybody's personal religion enter into daily life at school. I personally think the pendulum has swung too far in some places, and hopefully is on the way back to the middle. The Amish and others seem to manage just fine. There are religious schools of all kinds around. Nobody fights them unless they think there is something kinky going on. I don't know how the tax structure became the way it has become. I never did understand that. But 100 years ago nobody tried to teach everybody like they do today. Dumb kids were booted out. Unruly kids were booted out. Teach fewer kids, have lower costs. In those days there were jobs, not careers, but jobs, for the uneducated. Now it's hard to do. I suppose you could start out peddling eggs like a Frank Perdue but it would be harder now.
Diane,
I sent you a message re the Fox Special on Textbooks in American schools... hope you are watching.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 29, 2009, 08:10:42 PM
Public schools aren't supposed to let anybody's personal religion enter into daily life at school.
The problem is though, it does. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, everyone has a belief system and whether you worship God or yourself or money or whatever, you pass that belief system on. The public school system has it's own "belief system", if you will, and they are sure to teach that. They say they're not, but they are.
Diane, yes it's today, -and our standards ought to be in line with our standards
of 100 years ago.
By the way, where did you come up the term "personal religion"?
Patriot, too much on at the same time. I've got it set up to record at midnight and I'll watch it tomorrow, thanks! :-*
there is a thing I have learned in my life..............that is that if EVERYbody agrees with you or seems to like you one of two things is going on......either they are humoring you or YOU are not bein true to yourself...........somethin to think about :D
Red, I don't know why "personal religion" puzzled you, but I'll share a little story with you. In 1967 I was teaching 5th grade when it came time in the spring to give the big standardized tests all 5th grade kids took then. All we teachers did was administer them. All kids in all rooms in all the public schools in Delaware took them at the same time. The day after the reading and language section was given the principal came to see me.She had had an irate call from a parent and she wondered what religious views I had been teaching in class and why would I be giving a test on it. Now she knew perfectly well what test we had given the day before, but after being totally befuddled I finally figured it all out. The one little boy, whose name I still remember, went home telling his mother I had given test questions on the Bible. She hit the ceiling. He told her the questions had to do with "testament".... The light bulb went off and we pulled out the test and looked at the vocabulary section. Sure enough, there was a question, I don't remember exactly how it was worded any more, but the correct answer was "last will and testament." Of course, the mother figured there couldn't be any possible use for the word "testament" except in the religious sense so there I was defending myself over something silly.