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Title: Tax Time.
Post by: Varmit on November 03, 2009, 08:03:06 PM
I thought I would start this thread here because I felt more people would see it.  If need be it can be moved to the politics section.

I was wondering if anyone elses property taxes jumped $200. this year?  Mine did.  Now if there was marked improvments throughout the county I could possibly understand, however, I haven't seen any improvements to speak of.  Frankly, this just ticks me off. 
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 08:10:41 PM
Ours went up a chunk both last year *and* this year.  When the appraiser was out taking pictures of our place a month ago, my wife was told we could expect a 'substantial' increase next year as well.  Gee... all this and a school bond issue.  Living in Elk county is gettin mighty expensive.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: D Whetstone on November 03, 2009, 08:21:54 PM
Mine went down.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:25:35 PM
Ours darn near doubled.  I about fell out of my chair when I saw it.  And we haven't done anything, built anything or added on to anything.  Needless to say we are not happy campers at this time.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 08:10:41 PM
Ours went up a chunk both last year *and* this year.  When the appraiser was out taking pictures of our place a month ago, my wife was told we could expect a 'substantial' increase next year as well.  Gee... all this and a school bond issue.  Living in Elk county is gettin mighty expensive.

Yeah it is and we're starting to seriously talk about whether or not we need to sell our house and move else where. 
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Varmit on November 03, 2009, 08:32:32 PM
Sarah, you aren't the only ones.  I am still at a loss to explain the increase.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: srkruzich on November 03, 2009, 08:34:34 PM
Quote from: Varmit on November 03, 2009, 08:03:06 PM
I thought I would start this thread here because I felt more people would see it.  If need be it can be moved to the politics section.

I was wondering if anyone elses property taxes jumped $200. this year?  Mine did.  Now if there was marked improvments throughout the county I could possibly understand, however, I haven't seen any improvements to speak of.  Frankly, this just ticks me off. 
Bend right over, and spread em wide cause your going to get it again once this school tax gets passed.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: srkruzich on November 03, 2009, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: Varmit on November 03, 2009, 08:32:32 PM
Sarah, you aren't the only ones.  I am still at a loss to explain the increase.

Largess
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:36:00 PM
Quote from: Varmit on November 03, 2009, 08:32:32 PM
Sarah, you aren't the only ones.  I am still at a loss to explain the increase.

I have to admit we're in a straight up panic on how we're going to pay it.  One month to come up with twice the amount we were expecting.  We were literally in shock.  And we have a little tiny house.  Nothing special and just a little bit of land with a shed.  shrug  I know the appraiser came out and took pictures back in June or so, but he didn't say anything about the taxes going up.  We were hoping to add on to our house, but forget that idea.  It would put our property tax out of reach of what we can afford so we're thinking about moving some place else.  I guess we'll see.  sigh
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 08:38:17 PM
Quote from: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:25:35 PM
Ours darn near doubled.  I about fell out of my chair when I saw it.  And we haven't done anything, built anything or added on to anything.  Needless to say we are not happy campers at this time.

Well... now surely you did something to improve your place... like cut the grass?  That's a reason to increase property taxes isn't it?   ;D
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: momof 2boys on November 03, 2009, 08:38:38 PM
Mine went up approximately $500.  But if that's the price I have to pay to live in a safe, quiet community that  provides an excellent educational system, then so be it!
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
sarah...

I didn't mean for that last post to sound insensitive.  My apologies.  I guess I'm just as frustrated a the next person.  The only hope I see is for the grass roots to get angry enough to start replacing complacent politicians from the local level all the way to Washington, DC.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: srkruzich on November 03, 2009, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
sarah...

I didn't mean for that last post to sound insensitive.  My apologies.  I guess I'm just as frustrated a the next person.  The only hope I see is for the grass roots to get angry enough to start replacing complacent politicians from the local level all the way to Washington, DC.


I like shakespears method better, its quicker and more efficient.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: srkruzich on November 03, 2009, 08:44:26 PM
Quote from: gina on November 03, 2009, 08:38:38 PM
Mine went up approximately $500.  But if that's the price I have to pay to live in a safe, quiet community that  provides an excellent educational system, then so be it!
Man Gina i need some of what your smoking! 
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
sarah...

I didn't mean for that last post to sound insensitive.  My apologies.  I guess I'm just as frustrated a the next person.  The only hope I see is for the grass roots to get angry enough to start replacing complacent politicians from the local level all the way to Washington, DC.


Oh, you didn't hurt me.  I was chuckling and thinking, "Well, then I'm never going to cut my grass again!"  LOL

I can guarantee we'll be filing a grievance with the county!
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Varmit on November 03, 2009, 08:47:42 PM
Quote from: gina on November 03, 2009, 08:38:38 PM
Mine went up approximately $500.  But if that's the price I have to pay to live in a safe, quiet community that  provides an excellent educational system, then so be it!

If the increase was to pay for the school that would be one thing, however, thats not the case.  If it were then we wouldn't have the current bond issue.  As for the communities being safe and quiet, I would say that has more to do with the people of the communities more than any thing else. 

I would just like to know where the money went and why they need even more than they took last year?
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: gina on November 03, 2009, 08:38:38 PM
Mine went up approximately $500.  But if that's the price I have to pay to live in a safe, quiet community that  provides an excellent educational system, then so be it!

I agree that it is quiet out here and generally crime free, but can't pay what I don't have.  Just fretting is all.  We do have to survive.  :)
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 08:50:43 PM
Quote from: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
sarah...

I didn't mean for that last post to sound insensitive.  My apologies.  I guess I'm just as frustrated a the next person.  The only hope I see is for the grass roots to get angry enough to start replacing complacent politicians from the local level all the way to Washington, DC.


Oh, you didn't hurt me.  I was chuckling and thinking, "Well, then I'm never going to cut my grass again!"  LOL

I can guarantee we'll be filing a grievance with the county!


Be prepared to take it to Topeka.  In KS property tax protests are seldom upheld at the local level.  Act quickly, there are some statutory time limits involved in protesting a tax assessment.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:53:01 PM
Quote from: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 08:50:43 PM
Quote from: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
sarah...

I didn't mean for that last post to sound insensitive.  My apologies.  I guess I'm just as frustrated a the next person.  The only hope I see is for the grass roots to get angry enough to start replacing complacent politicians from the local level all the way to Washington, DC.


Oh, you didn't hurt me.  I was chuckling and thinking, "Well, then I'm never going to cut my grass again!"  LOL

I can guarantee we'll be filing a grievance with the county!


Be prepared to take it to Topeka.  In KS property tax protests are seldom upheld at the local level.  Act quickly, there are some statutory time limits involved in protesting a tax assessment.

Thanks for the tip.  We will. 
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:59:20 PM
According to my dad the county should have sent a letter last spring stating that it was going to go up and that that was the time to make an appeal, but we got no such letter.  Did anyone else?  So, we're also going to be raising cain about that too.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: momof 2boys on November 03, 2009, 08:59:36 PM
steve, don't touch the stuff!  :)  I grew up here, moved away a few years for college and returned to raise my family here.  Can't imagine my boys growing up anywhere else.  Don't get me wrong, I could definately use that money for other things in life, the cost of raising a family isn't cheap.  I'm proud to be from here and proud of what we have to offer families.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:59:20 PM
According to my dad the county should have sent a letter last spring stating that it was going to go up and that that was the time to make an appeal, but we got no such letter.  Did anyone else?  So, we're also going to be raising cain about that too.

Dad's right, sarah.  The county sends out the assessment notices in spring each year.  Won't show your 'taxes' but shows the current appraisal and assessment information.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 09:14:13 PM
Quote from: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: Sarah on November 03, 2009, 08:59:20 PM
According to my dad the county should have sent a letter last spring stating that it was going to go up and that that was the time to make an appeal, but we got no such letter.  Did anyone else?  So, we're also going to be raising cain about that too.

Dad's right, sarah.  The county sends out the assessment notices in spring each year.  Won't show your 'taxes' but shows the current appraisal and assessment information.

We didn't get it.  :(  I guess we'll try to make that appeal anyway. 
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: pepelect on November 03, 2009, 11:36:33 PM
Cool thing about Kansas tax law.  You have to pay first.  You pay under protest.  But you still have to pay.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: srkruzich on November 04, 2009, 07:28:51 AM
Quote from: ADP on November 03, 2009, 11:36:33 PM
Cool thing about Kansas tax law.  You have to pay first.  You pay under protest.  But you still have to pay.
Yeah well theft is still theft.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Wilma on November 04, 2009, 08:04:18 AM
I really don't understand what you all are complaining about.  My taxes went up $18.44. Of course I haven't made any improvements in the last couple of years.  If I had, I would expect my taxes to rise.  My tax statement has a section that shows just what rose.  USD 282 OTHER rose the most.  The other rises were Howard City,  Grace Lawn Cem., and Watershed 47.  The Assessments section shows that my ssessment value fell slightly.  Perhaps your problem is in the Assessment value.  How about studying the explanation section of your tax bill to see what has happened to the value of your property.  After all that is what your taxes are based on.  And if you truly do not understand, take it to the county for an explanation before blowing your stack.

I didn't choose to move to Elk County because I thought the taxes would be lower.  I understood that to be able to live in this peaceful, quiet county, I would have to pay for it.  I have what I expected so why in **** should I complain about the cost?  Does anything exist that some of you can't find something to bitch about?
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 04, 2009, 08:07:13 AM
Quote from: Wilma on November 04, 2009, 08:04:18 AM
I really don't understand what you all are complaining about.  My taxes went up $18.44. Of course I haven't made any improvements in the last couple of years.  If I had, I would expect my taxes to rise.  My tax statement has a section that shows just what rose.  USD 282 OTHER rose the most.  The other rises were Howard City,  Grace Lawn Cem., and Watershed 47.  The Assessments section shows that my ssessment value fell slightly.  Perhaps your problem is in the Assessment value.  How about studying the explanation section of your tax bill to see what has happened to the value of your property.  After all that is what your taxes are based on.  And if you truly do not understand, take it to the county for an explanation before blowing your stack.

I didn't choose to move to Elk County because I thought the taxes would be lower.  I understood that to be able to live in this peaceful, quiet county, I would have to pay for it.  I have what I expected so why in **** should I complain about the cost?  Does anything exist that some of you can't find something to bitch about?

Well, Wilma, we haven't made any improvements either and ours went from $700 last year to $1200 this year.  That's quite a jump.  But yes we are going to take it to the assessor to find out why.  :)
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Varmit on November 04, 2009, 08:29:55 PM
Wilma, if my taxes only rose $20.00 I probably wouldn't have said anything, but there is a hell of a difference between 20 dollars and 200.  Also, it would be one thing if my tap water actually passed federal inspection, road conditions actually improved and weren't just patched, or improvements in neighborhoods were seen in other places and not just Howard.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: jerry wagner on November 04, 2009, 08:41:42 PM
Quote from: Varmit on November 04, 2009, 08:29:55 PM
Wilma, if my taxes only rose $20.00 I probably wouldn't have said anything, but there is a hell of a difference between 20 dollars and 200.  Also, it would be one thing if my tap water actually passed federal inspection, road conditions actually improved and weren't just patched, or improvements in neighborhoods were seen in other places and not just Howard.

Improvements within the City of Howard would not be derived from your taxes as you are not taxed by the City of Howard who funds improvements in the City.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Wilma on November 04, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
What improvements in Howard?  Where?  I am not seeing any around here.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: pepelect on November 04, 2009, 10:03:43 PM
Let me be perfectly clear on this point(s).   You want water.  You would like the county to pay for that?  You want a federal inspection for water but not for schools.  You are pissy because Howard spent their tax dollars to improve neighborhoods but there is only one. Did you want subdivisions also?  How about a freeway? But you want the county to pay for this other places?  You said that the road conditions were not improved?  All this and you want lower taxes.  Really.  I don't get it.  How do you offer anything in way of new services without something else giving?    How can you expect services with out payment for them?

Two things.   Are you sure that your evaluation from last year was accurate?  What about two years ago?  If you weren't paying jack for personal property, real estate, or farm ground then and it jumped are you sure it was correct in the first place?  

You don't want any industry.  That would bring people.  You don't want people because that will bring crime.  You don't want crime because that will cost you money, property, or injury.  But yet you are not willing to pay for the services that you feel you  are entitled.  
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Varmit on November 04, 2009, 10:22:30 PM
 USD 282 OTHER rose the most.  The other rises were Howard City,  Grace Lawn Cem., and Watershed 47.-Wilma

You say that, but yet...

Quote from: Wilma on November 04, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
What improvements in Howard?  Where?  I am not seeing any around here.

Thats my point.

ADP, let ME be perfectly clear.  Yes, I want water, CLEAN water that can pass inspection.  Yes, I want decent road conditions.  You know, the things that the county already collects taxes for, but has yet to provide.
It is not that I want lower taxes (but that would be nice) but now I have to pay HIGHER taxes for services that weren't delivered in the first place.  What the hell?? Did someone at the courthouse say "The water sucks, the roads suck, how can we fix this...hey I know, lets raise taxes!! Even though the majority of citizens don't have a lot of money, many of which are doing all they can just to get by, and we have 11% unemployment...that would be a great idea!"

Oh, and as far a being entitled, You're damn right I am.  I have paid my taxes and held up my end of the bargin. They have not.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: jerry wagner on November 04, 2009, 10:25:48 PM
Quote from: Varmit on November 04, 2009, 10:22:30 PM
USD 282 OTHER rose the most.  The other rises were Howard City,  Grace Lawn Cem., and Watershed 47.-Wilma

You say that, but yet...

Quote from: Wilma on November 04, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
What improvements in Howard?  Where?  I am not seeing any around here.

Thats my point.

ADP, let ME be perfectly clear.  Yes, I want water, CLEAN water that can pass inspection.  Yes, I want decent road conditions.  You know, the things that the county already collects taxes for, but has yet to provide.
It is not that I want lower taxes (but that would be nice) but now I have to pay HIGHER taxes for services that weren't delivered in the first place.  What the hell?? Did someone at the courthouse say "The water sucks, the roads suck, how can we fix this...hey I know, lets raise taxes!! Even though the majority of citizens don't have a lot of money, many of which are doing all they can just to get by, and we have 11% unemployment...that would be a great idea!"

Oh, and as far a being entitled, You're damn right I am.  I have paid my taxes and held up my end of the bargin. They have not.

I am pretty sure the USD Other is the LOB portion of the budget.  It was necessary to raise it to the maximum levy to be able to maintain school services at the level they were with the reduction in student population.  On the subject of the county taxes, have you reviewed the county budget? 
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: pepelect on November 04, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
West Elk maxed out the LOB and what do you know your taxes went up.   I bet they stay up as long as the LOB is maxed out.  Why do you think I have been trying to get the anti-school faction to listen about passing the bond issue.  If you don't lower the LOB your taxes will stay high forever.  It is never been to me about closing one school or both.  It has been about saving money to lower taxes and keep students educated. 

Because one person posting on a forum has not seen any improvements in Howard then therefore there has not been any.  Blighted properties with critters, pests, rodents and pigeons are removed from the community and this is not a positive thing.   

Elk county does not provide water.  They don't build water treatment plants.  They don't tax you on water lines that are not even built yet.  They don't have the skill level or the financing to handle such tasks.  We don't have a budget for water.  We do have a water district or two in the county.  We are trying to get financing for RWD 2. We are trying to build good sound water lines in the north half of the county.  We have presented this to members of the state water board and USDA for funding.  One agency says we are too poor to afford to pay the bill once the water system is built.  The other says we are too rich for it to fund it.  I really don't think this will have an impact on your tax burden.  Ever.  Your wallet will suffer.  New water comes at a hefty price.  About $8 a thousand gallons.

Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: pepelect on November 04, 2009, 10:43:58 PM
Quote from: jerry wagner on November 04, 2009, 10:25:48 PM
On the subject of the county taxes, have you reviewed the county budget? 
Some one might have to attend the budget hearing before you could review the county budget.  I really don't think there was anyone there.  Commish or two.....
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Varmit on November 04, 2009, 10:50:41 PM
Quote from: ADP on November 04, 2009, 10:40:58 PM

Because one person posting on a forum has not seen any improvements in Howard then therefore there has not been any.  Blighted properties with critters, pests, rodents and pigeons are removed from the community and this is not a positive thing.   

First of all, I don't live in Howard, I live in Grenola, don't get to howard much.  Secondly, if the county is paying to fix up howard, great, so long as other towns in the county are included in that clean up.  Haven't seen any around here.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: jerry wagner on November 04, 2009, 10:53:11 PM
Quote from: Varmit on November 04, 2009, 10:50:41 PM
Quote from: ADP on November 04, 2009, 10:40:58 PM

Because one person posting on a forum has not seen any improvements in Howard then therefore there has not been any.  Blighted properties with critters, pests, rodents and pigeons are removed from the community and this is not a positive thing.   

First of all, I don't live in Howard, I live in Grenola, don't get to howard much.  Secondly, if the county is paying to fix up howard, great, so long as other towns in the county are included in that clean up.  Haven't seen any around here.

As I stated previously, the county was not the one paying to clean up Howard, the property owners within the city limits were, through their property taxes.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Varmit on November 04, 2009, 11:01:07 PM
Okay, my mistake.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: pepelect on November 04, 2009, 11:15:27 PM
I don't think the county pays for any thing in any towns except half the maintenance on the county roads that also are shared by the cities.  I think the county paved/overlay-ed/chip and sealed the blacktops from the cities to the cemeteries through towns.  The county does not even pay taxes on the land it has inside the city limits.  Which is kind of funny.  You can charge a county  for services like water and sewer paid to the city.  But the land that the lies inside the city limits are not subject to county tax so there fore are not taxed by the city either.   The city on the other hand charges for services to owners of property in the city which is also in the county but doesn't pay tax on the city property to the county.  Entities are freeloaders. 

If you get rid of the less than beautiful property near you then you raise your property value.  My living near a toxic waste dump would deteriorate the value of my property thus lowering my taxes.  If you remove blighted homes from surrounding neighborhoods your property value goes up thus raising your taxable burden.  The same is true for the entire county every time a sale of a property occurs it changes the property value of similar properties.  As the market changes statewide the valuations change.  That is why your property is worth a different value on the tax roles every year.  It is base on comparables from across the state and the county has no power to change the values.  Locally the county can not increase or decrease the land values based on budgets needs.  You have the control the appraiser has to prove what properties yours is comped to get fair market value. 
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 05, 2009, 06:52:08 AM
Quote from: ADP on November 04, 2009, 11:15:27 PM
I don't think the county pays for any thing in any towns except half the maintenance on the county roads that also are shared by the cities.  I think the county paved/overlay-ed/chip and sealed the blacktops from the cities to the cemeteries through towns.  The county does not even pay taxes on the land it has inside the city limits.  Which is kind of funny.  You can charge a county  for services like water and sewer paid to the city.  But the land that the lies inside the city limits are not subject to county tax so there fore are not taxed by the city either.   The city on the other hand charges for services to owners of property in the city which is also in the county but doesn't pay tax on the city property to the county.  Entities are freeloaders. 

If you get rid of the less than beautiful property near you then you raise your property value.  My living near a toxic waste dump would deteriorate the value of my property thus lowering my taxes.  If you remove blighted homes from surrounding neighborhoods your property value goes up thus raising your taxable burden.  The same is true for the entire county every time a sale of a property occurs it changes the property value of similar properties.  As the market changes statewide the valuations change.  That is why your property is worth a different value on the tax roles every year.  It is base on comparables from across the state and the county has no power to change the values.  Locally the county can not increase or decrease the land values based on budgets needs.  You have the control the appraiser has to prove what properties yours is comped to get fair market value. 

Which is interesting since the housing market is the lowest it's been and houses are worth half what they were.  So in that respect, property tax should be going down, yes? 
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 05, 2009, 06:53:09 AM
Quote from: ADP on November 04, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
West Elk maxed out the LOB and what do you know your taxes went up.   I bet they stay up as long as the LOB is maxed out.  Why do you think I have been trying to get the anti-school faction to listen about passing the bond issue.  If you don't lower the LOB your taxes will stay high forever.  It is never been to me about closing one school or both.  It has been about saving money to lower taxes and keep students educated. 

Because one person posting on a forum has not seen any improvements in Howard then therefore there has not been any.  Blighted properties with critters, pests, rodents and pigeons are removed from the community and this is not a positive thing.   

Elk county does not provide water.  They don't build water treatment plants.  They don't tax you on water lines that are not even built yet.  They don't have the skill level or the financing to handle such tasks.  We don't have a budget for water.  We do have a water district or two in the county.  We are trying to get financing for RWD 2. We are trying to build good sound water lines in the north half of the county.  We have presented this to members of the state water board and USDA for funding.  One agency says we are too poor to afford to pay the bill once the water system is built.  The other says we are too rich for it to fund it.  I really don't think this will have an impact on your tax burden.  Ever.  Your wallet will suffer.  New water comes at a hefty price.  About $8 a thousand gallons.



I heard a rumor that they're taking bids for running the water lines to the north half of the county.  Is that true?  Or is it still a no-go?
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: PrehistoricRez on November 05, 2009, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: jerry wagner on November 04, 2009, 10:25:48 PM
Quote from: Varmit on November 04, 2009, 10:22:30 PM
USD 282 OTHER rose the most.  The other rises were Howard City,  Grace Lawn Cem., and Watershed 47.-Wilma

You say that, but yet...

Quote from: Wilma on November 04, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
What improvements in Howard?  Where?  I am not seeing any around here.

Thats my point.

ADP, let ME be perfectly clear.  Yes, I want water, CLEAN water that can pass inspection.  Yes, I want decent road conditions.  You know, the things that the county already collects taxes for, but has yet to provide.
It is not that I want lower taxes (but that would be nice) but now I have to pay HIGHER taxes for services that weren't delivered in the first place.  What the hell?? Did someone at the courthouse say "The water sucks, the roads suck, how can we fix this...hey I know, lets raise taxes!! Even though the majority of citizens don't have a lot of money, many of which are doing all they can just to get by, and we have 11% unemployment...that would be a great idea!"

Oh, and as far a being entitled, You're damn right I am.  I have paid my taxes and held up my end of the bargin. They have not.

I am pretty sure the USD Other is the LOB portion of the budget.  It was necessary to raise it to the maximum levy to be able to maintain school services at the level they were with the reduction in student population.  On the subject of the county taxes, have you reviewed the county budget? 

You dont have a voice here anymore jerry, lose the account....runaway your good at it
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: PrehistoricRez on November 05, 2009, 07:59:50 AM
DAMN,my property taxes went up $40, im pissed, well ok, not really too bad, last year they went up $300, wait til next year and the year after and the year after, all you people that voted no on the bond issue.  I cant wait til you complain about the higher taxes then, because instead of you taxes going up $50-$100 for your house, now its possible they go up $100 to $200.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: srkruzich on November 05, 2009, 08:05:24 AM
Quote from: ADP on November 04, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
  Your wallet will suffer.  New water comes at a hefty price.  About $8 a thousand gallons.



It costs that much for you to haul water by the time you figure in gas unless you can afford a 2 or 3000 gallon tank, and those don't come cheap either.

Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Wilma on November 05, 2009, 08:29:54 AM
Sarah, look at your tax statement.  Under Assessments it says Class.  That tells you how your property is classified.  Mine is RES URB which is short for residential urban.  I don't know what all the different classifications are, but while we were living in Sedgwick County we paid lower taxes than our neighbors because we were classified as RES AG, short for residential agricultural.  We were classified that way because we farmed part of our 9 acres.  After the tornado destroyed all our harvest equipment, we quit planting.  The appraiser told us then that if we didn't get something agricultural back on the place that he would have to change us to RES RUR or something like that, which our neighbors were and we would have to pay higher taxes on it.  We didn't get it back to agricultural because my husband was too sick to do anything about it so we paid higher taxes.  Perhaps your classification has something to do with it.

Another thing is like PEP said, the value of your land may have jumped.  I don't know what farmland is worth now, but I do know that it took a good jump after we bought that half section north of you.  By the time I sold it it had doubled in value.  But by all means, talk to the appraiser about it and get your questions answered.  I would like to hear about it when you do.

Personally I envy you living out there.  I wanted to build on that half section, but Janet didn't want us out in the country where the emergency services couldn't find us.  She used to go on the runs out that way just to be sure that the ambulance got there as fast as possible.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: Sarah on November 05, 2009, 08:41:18 AM
Quote from: Wilma on November 05, 2009, 08:29:54 AM
Sarah, look at your tax statement.  Under Assessments it says Class.  That tells you how your property is classified.  Mine is RES URB which is short for residential urban.  I don't know what all the different classifications are, but while we were living in Sedgwick County we paid lower taxes than our neighbors because we were classified as RES AG, short for residential agricultural.  We were classified that way because we farmed part of our 9 acres.  After the tornado destroyed all our harvest equipment, we quit planting.  The appraiser told us then that if we didn't get something agricultural back on the place that he would have to change us to RES RUR or something like that, which our neighbors were and we would have to pay higher taxes on it.  We didn't get it back to agricultural because my husband was too sick to do anything about it so we paid higher taxes.  Perhaps your classification has something to do with it.

Another thing is like PEP said, the value of your land may have jumped.  I don't know what farmland is worth now, but I do know that it took a good jump after we bought that half section north of you.  By the time I sold it it had doubled in value.  But by all means, talk to the appraiser about it and get your questions answered.  I would like to hear about it when you do.

Personally I envy you living out there.  I wanted to build on that half section, but Janet didn't want us out in the country where the emergency services couldn't find us.  She used to go on the runs out that way just to be sure that the ambulance got there as fast as possible.

Ours is classified AG RURAL and FARM RURAL

Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: jerry wagner on November 05, 2009, 09:49:09 AM
Quote from: PrehistoricRez on November 05, 2009, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: jerry wagner on November 04, 2009, 10:25:48 PM
Quote from: Varmit on November 04, 2009, 10:22:30 PM
USD 282 OTHER rose the most.  The other rises were Howard City,  Grace Lawn Cem., and Watershed 47.-Wilma

You say that, but yet...

Quote from: Wilma on November 04, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
What improvements in Howard?  Where?  I am not seeing any around here.

Thats my point.

ADP, let ME be perfectly clear.  Yes, I want water, CLEAN water that can pass inspection.  Yes, I want decent road conditions.  You know, the things that the county already collects taxes for, but has yet to provide.
It is not that I want lower taxes (but that would be nice) but now I have to pay HIGHER taxes for services that weren't delivered in the first place.  What the hell?? Did someone at the courthouse say "The water sucks, the roads suck, how can we fix this...hey I know, lets raise taxes!! Even though the majority of citizens don't have a lot of money, many of which are doing all they can just to get by, and we have 11% unemployment...that would be a great idea!"

Oh, and as far a being entitled, You're damn right I am.  I have paid my taxes and held up my end of the bargin. They have not.

I am pretty sure the USD Other is the LOB portion of the budget.  It was necessary to raise it to the maximum levy to be able to maintain school services at the level they were with the reduction in student population.  On the subject of the county taxes, have you reviewed the county budget? 

You dont have a voice here anymore jerry, lose the account....runaway your good at it

I have a voice as long as I have an account, as many other people do not live in the Elk County any more and have an account.  I love running away, if I am moving to something better..... too bad you only seem to be able to gripe (sometimes incomprehensibly).  At least I don't hide under a rock with a name nobody can figure out, are you still in Elk County?
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: pepelect on November 05, 2009, 10:02:32 PM
Quote from: Sarah on November 05, 2009, 06:53:09 AM
I heard a rumor that they're taking bids for running the water lines to the north half of the county.  Is that true?  Or is it still a no-go?
Rumors are just that.   You can't let bids on a project until it is funded.  You have to have a budget approved before you can ask a contractor to stay with in that budget.  The water district received a CDBG(community development block  grant).  The feds(USDA Rural Development) have not released funding for the rest of the first phase of pipeline development.  They want assurances from the customers of the new district that they will pay for the water at the proposed rate.  The will be more information about a public meeting and you will get information in the mail if you are one of the proposed water customers and have agreed to get a meter.
Title: Re: Tax Time.
Post by: pepelect on November 05, 2009, 10:11:38 PM
Quote from: Sarah on November 05, 2009, 06:52:08 AM
Which is interesting since the housing market is the lowest it's been and houses are worth half what they were.  So in that respect, property tax should be going down, yes? 
No.  Housing market in urban California really has no bearing on structures in Elk County.  Just because houses in Detoit are valued as half their pre-bubble break value doesn't mean yours has lost half its value compared to the rest of the similar structures in Kansas.