Carbon Regulatory Offset Committee Public Service Announcement
LOL, cracked me up and depressed me at the same time :P
What a bunch of BS. Even if the carbon offset scheme was aimed at the enviroment it would still be BS. There is nothing, absolutely nothing we can do to stop climate change. It was happening before humans were here, it will happen until the end of time.
Climate change is natural....POLLUTION isn't. All this "well we ought to just go the way we been goin because climate change is a crock so just keep pumpin all that poison into the air,earth,water" mentality makes me sick.
Air,earth, and water pollution causes WORSE things than climate change....things like CANCER....BIRTH DEFECTS....places on this earth where NOTHING will grow and what DOES grow is tainted by the pollutants in the ground.......so spare me your blind eye, use it up till it's gone and move on mentality.
This farce video states precisely the way polluting industries will USE the program to do exactly that........do ONE good thing so they can have a blind eye for forty bad ones. It's a retarded program aimed at giving the APPEARANCE of doing something to rein in pollution to the stupid masses who don't know any better.....smoke and mirrors...just like most things.
Old Cree sayin........
Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will you realize that you cannot eat money.
"To waste, to destroy, our natural resources, to skin and exhaust the land instead of using it so as to increase its usefulness, will result in undermining in the days of our children the very prosperity which we ought by right to hand down to them."
— Theodore Roosevelt
Speaking of smoke and mirrors....answer me this..Do you drive a car? Use electricity? Ever built a campfire? When you were hanging drywall was it made from eco-friendly products in a non-polluting manufacturing plant? Do you use strictly solar, wind, or thermal enegry to heat and cool your home?
If you are going to blame the industries for pollution then the folks that use their products are to be blamed also, if not more. Afterall, if people weren't using those products then there would not be any industry, would there?
Does anybody else find it interesting that Crap n Tax is all about brokering 'carbon credits' for money? What does that do to reduce 'carbon emissions'? Seems to me that the entire plan is designed to enrich some already wealthy wall street types... oh, and Al Boring Gore.
Patriot,
You've only posted 6 times and I already like you. :)
Quote from: jarhead on November 03, 2009, 09:00:09 PM
Patriot,
You've only posted 6 times and I already like you. :)
I was a thinking the same thing there Jarhead!
Weeelllll...
I have been called opinionated before. ;D
Quote from: Varmit on November 03, 2009, 08:23:37 PM
Speaking of smoke and mirrors....answer me this..Do you drive a car? Use electricity? Ever built a campfire? When you were hanging drywall was it made from eco-friendly products in a non-polluting manufacturing plant? Do you use strictly solar, wind, or thermal enegry to heat and cool your home?
If you are going to blame the industries for pollution then the folks that use their products are to be blamed also, if not more. Afterall, if people weren't using those products then there would not be any industry, would there?
No I drive a pickup...a 75 chevy 3/4 4x4 that gets 10 mile to the gallon to haul wood, hay, etc. and just go out and throw dirt when I get the notion. Otherwise I drive a 97 s10, I use electricity, I heat with wood, I have a fire pit in my yard..sometimes I have a fire and brew some GOOD coffee. I never hung drywall...I hung SIDING, wood cement and VINYL siding up till 2 years ago when I lost my job because the boss had no work. I have guns and dogs and once in awhile I even drink beer. I also use NO poisons, I use horseshit fertilizer, I do from scratch, I recycle. I live as any normal redneck American lives and I don't apologize to ANYbody for it. Unlike MOST people tho I freely admit some of the things I do are bad for the environment and I do what I can, if I could AFFORD to live the "green life"I would. I AM to blame for my PART in it. So???????? What about it???????? No smoke OR mirrors here
Quote from: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 08:28:35 PM
Does anybody else find it interesting that Crap n Tax is all about brokering 'carbon credits' for money? What does that do to reduce 'carbon emissions'? Seems to me that the entire plan is designed to enrich some already wealthy wall street types... oh, and Al Boring Gore.
duh
Quote from: pamsback on November 03, 2009, 10:45:50 PM
I live as any normal redneck American lives and I don't apologize to ANYbody for it. Unlike MOST people tho I freely admit some of the things I do are bad for the environment and I do what I can, if I could AFFORD to live the "green life"I would. I AM to blame for my PART in it. So???????? What about it???????? No smoke OR mirrors here
You admit it...Really?..well theres a first time for everything, I guess.
If you are not going to apologize for your part, then don't expect others to apologize for theirs.
Dude you really ARE a pain in the ass. I don't recall askin anybody to apologize for anything.
I got a clear conscience about how I live on the land.......I AM capable of that one thing.......what is it????? oh yeah.....admitting there IS a better way and doing all I am capable of at any given time to LESSEN MY impact. You oughta try it sometime..........
You're right pam, you haven't asked anyone to apologize, my mistake. However, my point is that while you speak out against big companies polluting and killing the earth, you are doing your part to ensure her death. You talk about how we need to change our ways, well fine, why don't you set the example instead of following the one you are arguing against.
I do what I can do at any given time. I only drive the 3/4 when it is necesary except maybe once or twice a year go muddin in it. It gets drove a couple three times a month otherwise.
I don't use chemicals OR poison...I use heirloom seed and plants whenever possible in my garden.......I cook from scratch to cut down on trash...I recycle jars into art....I use a chain saw to cut wood but I split it with a maul.....everything in life is a trade off and I do what I can when I can. That's all ANYbody can do.
You know big corporations don't care.......if you got an honest bone in your body you do. They get away with whatever they can get away with for as LONG as they can get away with it and they don't care what happens to your kids or your livestock or your land. They are faceless entities who only worship the dollar. I will ALWAYS speak out against them. Even when my livlihood was comin from them. I got to bear that sin not you or anybody else.
Night ;) mornin comes early
Guys... listen to Pam. She hit on what is exactly happening to this earth as we speak.
Quote from: pamsback on November 03, 2009, 07:28:32 AM
Climate change is natural....POLLUTION isn't. All this "well we ought to just go the way we been goin because climate change is a crock so just keep pumpin all that poison into the air,earth,water" mentality makes me sick.
Air,earth, and water pollution causes WORSE things than climate change....things like CANCER....BIRTH DEFECTS....places on this earth where NOTHING will grow and what DOES grow is tainted by the pollutants in the ground.......so spare me your blind eye, use it up till it's gone and move on mentality.
This farce video states precisely the way polluting industries will USE the program to do exactly that........do ONE good thing so they can have a blind eye for forty bad ones. It's a retarded program aimed at giving the APPEARANCE of doing something to rein in pollution to the stupid masses who don't know any better.....smoke and mirrors...just like most things.
Old Cree sayin........
Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will you realize that you cannot eat money.
I've been to part of the rain forest back in '92 and have seen the devastation. My Son was there last summer and said it was 100% worse than when I was there. My daughter has an album by michael jackson called "History: Past, Present and Future, Book I " and on it is a song called "Earth Song" that he wrote back in '95. I always thought that was a neat song but didn't think too much about what it meant. I guess you could say that I'm not a tree-hugger.... but seeing his video of "earth Song" really opened my eyes and made me think.
Pam's right, we are killing this earth... Pollution can be hazardous to your health... and it can kill. According to the World Health Organization, an estimated 3 million people die each year of air pollution. Bad air accounts for 5% of the annual deaths worldwide. As Larry and Anmar pointed out on another thread, CA has done wonderful job in cleaning the AIR. I bet Larry can really give you some horror stories on smog and how it was in the 70's and 80's.
The U.S. has more than 3.5 million miles of rivers and streams, approximately 40.8 million acres of lakes, ponds, and reservoirs, over 34,000 square miles of estuaries, over 58,000 miles of ocean shoreline, and over 5,500 miles of Great Lakes shoreline. The state of the nation's waterways has improved since the 1960s when dead fish were washing ashore and lakes were catching on fire. But there is still room for improvement.
Cholera and schistosomiasis. They are diseases that infect hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions of people around the world due to lack of clean drinking water and sanitary systems. These diseases are unheard of in the United States. We have one of the cleanest drinking water supplies and some of the best waste- water treatment facilities in the world.... but we can do better. The WHO also states, as of 2000, more than 1 billion people still lacked clean drinking water and over 2.4 billion lacked proper sanitation. North America treated 90% of its wastewater. Europe: 66%; Asia: 35%; Latin America and the Caribbean: 14%; and Africa: 0%. I know that these WHO figures are 9 yrs. old but I wonder if things are better off in the world now compared to 2000. Somehow, I don't seem to think so.
Pam's right.... climate change is natural....POLLUTION isn't!
And then there is Wars, famines, hunger, drug resistant germs and many other things that Mother Earth and its populace is suffering from.
"Earth Song": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZcAzZOyOg
Agreed Warph, we are in a deep bunch of do-do of our own creation. How long are we gonna import things that we no longer make in the United States because of the pollution they create? But it is okay to create the pollution in a different part of the world, so long as we can have Tickle Me Elmo, HD tv, and whatever doo-dad that is popular this week? We need to grow up and take responsibility for our own crimes committed against this Earth.
wow warph, i think i'm gonna cry.
I don't understand why cleaning up pollution has always been such a big issue in the past. Everyone from the most ardent libs to the most vigerous conservative should be able to agree that pollution and ineffecieny is bad for our country and the world at large. I never understood people who advocate being wasteful.
Thankx Warph :)
Water is the biggest issue in pollution these days, much bigger than this global warming/cooling issue. Of all the water on the earth, ONLY 2% is drinkable, but 1% of that 2% is polluted to the point it is poisonous.
I don't really have horror stories about the earlier years and the smog. It was a lot worse than it is now. There is a small hill east of me about 4 miles. This hill basically separates the San Gabriel Valley part of LA county from the Pomona valley area. It is not a huge hill, but it is high enough so that when you are coming west on the I-10, you get a panoramic view of the SG Valley. At the top of that hill you are 27 miles or so, from downtown Los Angeles. On a clear day, you can see in the distance the buildings in Los Angeles, small of course. Thirty years ago, seeing that view would be a "wow, look at that" reaction. Today, I am so used to seeing those buildings any time I have to come home that way, that I don't even pay attention because it is so commonplace.
When our children were in elementary school, there were "smog days" similar to snow days. When the school was notified of the amount of pollutants in the air, children were kept indoors during lunches and recesses. I don't think that is much of a problem anymore, or least, I don't hear about it on the news. Smog alerts were issued in stages. A stage one alert meant that you probably should stay inside with the A/C on, or curtail your activities if you are outside. Stage one alerts for those with respiratory problems meant staying in, period. We used to have a lot of stage one alerts in the summertime, maybe 10 to 20 each year. Now, we might have 1 or 2. Like I said, I can see the mountains to the north each day and clearly.
There are very heavy restrictions on what a manufacturing plant can emit into the air. All such factories have "smog cleaners" on any smokestacks or chimneys. These cleaners are designed to clean the smoke by trapping the larger particles before the smoke goes on into the atmosphere. Expensive process? Yes. Worthwhile? You bet.
When I was working for the Times, we had monthly inspections by the state to make sure that the chemicals we used were rated at a certain pollution level. There were many cleaning supplies we could have used to make the job easier, but they were rated above the acceptable level required by the state.
Anyway, all of the practices put into place by the state and local governments are paying off. Probably because with smog, there is more of a visual result and from a health standpoint, a noticeable reduction in people walking into a hospital with breathing problems.
Larryj
I don't have a problem with cleaning up pollution and I don't advocate being wasteful. What I do have a problem is the science and almost religious zealotry behind the Green movement. Should there be a certain level of emission and pollution standards, yes. However, when we try and regulate a natural occuring gas, such as carbon, I think that is going to far. What is next, are we going to make anyone that owns a cow purchase carbon credits? Afterall, cows to release, among other things, carbon. What about fat people?...They use more oxgyen, produce more carbon gas, eat more food,...MY GOD their carbon footprint is HUGE, we have to have Fat tax, make them purchase carbon credits, and fine them for being overweight!!
[Authors note: Please notice the huge amount of sarcasm included here.]
As for crimes against the earth, what about crimes committed BY the earth? Who is going to pay for those? What about the fact that 47% of petroleum leaked into marine enviroments is naturally occuring?
Quote from: Varmit on November 06, 2009, 07:02:57 AM
I don't have a problem with cleaning up pollution and I don't advocate being wasteful. What I do have a problem is the science and almost religious zealotry behind the Green movement. Should there be a certain level of emission and pollution standards, yes. However, when we try and regulate a natural occuring gas, such as carbon, I think that is going to far. What is next, are we going to make anyone that owns a cow purchase carbon credits? Afterall, cows to release, among other things, carbon. What about fat people?...They use more oxgyen, produce more carbon gas, eat more food,...MY GOD their carbon footprint is HUGE, we have to have Fat tax, make them purchase carbon credits, and fine them for being overweight!!
As for crimes against the earth, what about crimes committed BY the earth? Who is going to pay for those? What about the fact that 47% of petroleum leaked into marine enviroments is naturally occuring?
Where to begin????
"Almost religious zealotry." Almost? I'm thinkin that for many it is a religious endeavor! Look at the time and energy some folks put into being 'environmentally correct'.
Cows? The concept of taxing producers of livestock is already on the table. It's not 'next'... it's here! I recently read of proposals that will tax feedlots and dairy producers at a rate approaching $50 per head per year.
Science? Those who do some research will find that many of those 2500 experts (read: Drips Under Pessure) on the IPCC have backgrounds in things that have little or nothing to do with climatology. Further, many recognized experts in the field have opinions about climate change that are quite opposite of the 'consensus' opinions. But folks like Hanson (sp) at NASA have the spotlight, squeek more and therefore get the media oil. Hell, Hanson was the same nutcase who was preparing us for the next ice age 25 or 30 years ago!
And now the EPA has permission to regulate carbon dioxide! Think about that for a second. What was it we exhale as we breathe? Oh yeah... carbon dioxide. How about a carbon tax based on how much we personally exhale? harumph!
Personally, I believe that mankind's damage to the earth really has a small impact on our overall climate condition. While I detest wasteful and willful destruction of our resources, I'm not sure more big government and lots of hand wringing are the answers.
The vast majority of the modern green movement at top end is about money. Grants, movies, giveaways and taxes. A religious pursuit of more money... common sense be damned!
Patriot, I agree 100%. But I think that you will find that to be a minority opinion, at least on this forum.
Quote from: Varmit on November 06, 2009, 07:35:14 AM
Patriot, I agree 100%. But I think that you will find that to be a minority opinion, at least on this forum.
Minority maybe but not mine. The only reason Gore and eco groups are pushing this agenda is to fill their wallets. Nothing more. Ever seen what happens in a Greenhouse when they release CO2 into the greenhouse? The plants go nuts and take off growing. They also convert that same CO2 into O2.
Why is it that they are screaming our destruction by the raising of CO2? ALl thats going to happen is that the planet will produce more plant life, put more water into the atmosphere due to the warming of the environment. So what if the storms get bigger. 4,000 years ago the planet was a greenhouse. The ice caps were very small if existant at all. People got along fine back then.
Quote from: Varmit on November 06, 2009, 07:35:14 AM
Patriot, I agree 100%. But I think that you will find that to be a minority opinion, at least on this forum.
I'm sure that's right, Varmit. Personally, I prefer to approach such matters based on fact and good personal research. I like to reserve 'emotional' approaches to things like where to plant the new rose bush.
Exactly my point.
QuoteWhat about fat people?...They use more oxgyen, produce more carbon gas, eat more food,...MY GOD their carbon footprint is HUGE, we have to have Fat tax, make them purchase carbon credits, and fine them for being overweight!!
I ACtually saw a chick on the news sayin this very thing should be done and her group..I can't remember what she called it...is lobbying the government for a fat tax!
All this stuff yall are talkin about is what I call "city, yuppie, bullshit environmentalism. None of you all have ever bothered to ask me what kind of environmentalism I go for besides jumpin down my throat and accusin me of bein one of the above city blah blah blah! You couldn't melt my ass down and POUR me in a city....I find most of those types TOTally out of touch with the real world. I also do not think climate change is UNnatural if you ever bothered to read a entire sentence I write instead of just seein those two words and runnin with it.
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I'll put it in capitals maybe yall will read it that way. CLIMATE CHANGE IS NATURAL!!!!! POLLUTION IS NOT NATURAL!!!!!! I THINK THE CARBON TAX SO-CALLED IS A RETARDED CONCEPT THOUGHT UP BY EDUCATED IDIOTS WITH TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS AND AXES TO GRIND AND POCKETS TO FILL!!!I DISPISE PETA!!! i TELL VEGETARIANS WHO GIVE ME CRAP ABOUT EATING MEAT THAT THEY ALSO ARE NOT INNOCENT .....THAT LETTUCE WAS ALIVE AND BREATHING WHEN IT WAS RIPPED OUT OF THE GROUND AND HAD ITS HEAD CRUELLY CUT OFF!!! I FIND THE PEOPLE WHO PROTEST RODEO ETC. AS CRUELTY TO ANIMALS TO BE STUPID!!!!!! AND ANY ONE OF A HUNDRED PET CAUSES DESIGNED TO GET MONEY BY PLAYING ON STUPID PEOPLES IGNORANCE AND GUILT!!!!!
I BELIEVE in recycling.....using LESS energy not NO energy....I believe we need to develop ALTERNATIVE energy and make it AFFORDABLE to the average Joe Blow.....organic gardening and farming.... I USE NO CHEMICALS OR POISONS ON MY LAND OR IN MY HOUSE besides soap that is. I do everything I have to do in town in ONE TRIP instead of runnin 25 mile one way every ten minutes.......I believe in wildlife habitat...I believe in water conservation...I try to generate the least amount of trash I can....I hunt for FOOD instead of a trophy to hang on the wall....I believe in nuts and bolts doin what I can WHEN I can to try to leave the least destruction behind me when I go.
People who use the argument of Al gore linin his pockets and exagerating for that very reason as a point to call any attempt at environmentalism the same kind of crap PISS ME OFF! People who jump down your throat when you say shit HAS to change just beCAUSE of crap like "yuppie environmentalism" or "politically CORRECT" environmentalism PISS ME OFF.
THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE!!!! FOR REAL...not to make some yuppie city person feel all warm and fuzzy when they drive their mercedes to their mansion and sit around with their snotty cohorts and tell each other what "good things" they did that day...but because We have a responsibility to GOD, to the EARTH, and to the generations that come AFTER us to leave them something with Air they can breathe, Water they can drink..SAFELY.., Earth they can grow things in and ON. A NONtoxic Earth their children will inherit.
I HOPE yall read this and GET MY POINT!!!
Speaking of fair hearing, good science and Chicago thuggery.....
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmVjNDEyYWRlN2ZlMmY5Mzc2NjBlMGE5MzBlM2JlNDI
Seems the president (Lower case intended) things that opponents to climate change just 'need to be dealt with.'
What a Stalinist putz!
Quote from: pamsback on November 06, 2009, 09:19:32 AMorganic gardening and farming
Ehhh.... I think organic food is as much a hoax as global warming.
Why?
They use more land than standard crops to yield the same amount of food.
They are in no way healthier than regular food and have no proof of such.
They don't have more flavor than regular food.
The pesticides they are allowed to use for the food to be considered organic is still very harmful/toxic.
The prices are ridiculous, some food items being two times the cost of regular food. Makes it look like yet another get rich quick scheme offering absolutely no positive benefits to the people who consume them.
Quote from: mtcookson on November 06, 2009, 12:20:57 PM
They use more land than standard crops to yield the same amount of food.
They are in no way healthier than regular food and have no proof of such.
They don't have more flavor than regular food.
The pesticides they are allowed to use for the food to be considered organic is still very harmful/toxic.
The prices are ridiculous, some food items being two times the cost of regular food. Makes it look like yet another get rich quick scheme offering absolutely no positive benefits to the people who consume them.
Only one rebuttal: "Get rich quick scheme"
There are some who *are* getting rich off of the 'organic' movement! I'm just not one of them!
Quote from: mtcookson on November 06, 2009, 12:20:57 PM
They use more land than standard crops to yield the same amount of food.
They are in no way healthier than regular food and have no proof of such.
They don't have more flavor than regular food.
The pesticides they are allowed to use for the food to be considered organic is still very harmful/toxic.
The prices are ridiculous, some food items being two times the cost of regular food. Makes it look like yet another get rich quick scheme offering absolutely no positive benefits to the people who consume them.
IF your talking about the Government label Organic, your right its a hoax. True organic farming, before the Government siezed the label organic didn't allow pesticides of any kind. Now days the real organic foods are labeled Naturally Grown. They don't allow pesticides of any kind. Natural pest management utilizes things like praying mantiss, ladybugs, ect as well as planting plants that repell specific bugs next to the plants that the bugs attack.
Fertilizer is a no no if it is not from composted materials. There is a definate health benefit there.
As far as land usage, its been known for thousands of years that your land must rest otherwise you will deplete the soil. So wide row planting like organic farms do allow the soil to rest in between the rows of plants, every year. You just move the row over the next year. Another farming practice that works well is divide your crop land up into 7 plots. Rotate your crops through the 7 plots and one plot gets rested every year.
Weed control can be accomplished by tilling the soil just after the weed seed sprouts, then take mulch of some kind and spread over the soil after planting. That will do two things, it will keep weeds down and it will help hold moisture in the soil reducing watering.
You can produce much better quality and in some cases more food by increasing the harvest.
As far as the prices are concerned, yeah their out of sight. But to be quite frank, if i grow something and someone is willing to pay me 2x or 3x the price i'm not going to turn it down.
There is significant labor involved in producing a quality no chemically grown product.
Now what really boggles my mind is that people would actually pay 4 dollars for a dozen of yard eggs.
Quote from: srkruzich on November 06, 2009, 12:33:37 PM
... Now what really boggles my mind is that people would actually pay 4 dollars for a dozen of yard eggs.
Or a buck and a half for a bottle of filtered tap water! ;D
Wait! I have a good, clean well... and a filtering system.... and a UV system.....
Ok... what am I bid for a bottle of bottled
Country water? Do I hear $3.00?
Quote from: Patriot on November 06, 2009, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: srkruzich on November 06, 2009, 12:33:37 PM
... Now what really boggles my mind is that people would actually pay 4 dollars for a dozen of yard eggs.
Or a buck and a half for a bottle of filtered tap water! ;D
Wait! I have a good, clean well... and a filtering system.... and a UV system.....
Ok... what am I bid for a bottle of bottled Country water? Do I hear $3.00?
I gotta say more power to the guys who sell it. People are gullible enough to pay for it.
SHoot when i go to town, i take a big cup of ice water with me and when i drink it down, i go into the gas stations and fill up with ice and water and they don't charge me.
IF i have to buy any water i buy a gallon not a bottle but a gallon of water for .60 cents
Quote from: srkruzich on November 06, 2009, 12:33:37 PM
I gotta say more power to the guys who sell it. People are gullible enough to pay for it.
SHoot when i go to town, i take a big cup of ice water with me and when i drink it down, i go into the gas stations and fill up with ice and water and they don't charge me.
IF i have to buy any water i buy a gallon not a bottle but a gallon of water for .60 cents
Soooo... I guess that means you're not a buyer, eh? <crossing srkruzich name off the Christmas card promo mailing list>
Most organic food is a crock, but hey, Capitalism at its best. go get sum
Quote from: Patriot on November 06, 2009, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: srkruzich on November 06, 2009, 12:33:37 PM
I gotta say more power to the guys who sell it. People are gullible enough to pay for it.
SHoot when i go to town, i take a big cup of ice water with me and when i drink it down, i go into the gas stations and fill up with ice and water and they don't charge me.
IF i have to buy any water i buy a gallon not a bottle but a gallon of water for .60 cents
Soooo... I guess that means you're not a buyer, eh? <crossing srkruzich name off the Christmas card promo mailing list>
LOL i'll trade ya 4.00 a dozen eggs for a couple cases of water.
Least you know what I'm talkin about Steve. Which is kinda shockin as much as we butt heads :P
For the rest of you.........since y'all are irritating the hell out of me with you're "it's all bullshit" attitudes.....I'm backin away and holdin my tongue.....which is a really good thing if you only knew.........................
The food I grow in my garden is organic and is much cheaper than anything in the store, especially since I start from seed. I have never bought a bottle of water in my life, but have a couple I was given that I fill from home and keep cold.
Thanks to all for the interesting dicussion of organic foods. I have suspected as much.
Quote from: pamsback on November 06, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Least you know what I'm talkin about Steve. Which is kinda shockin as much as we butt heads :P
For the rest of you.........since y'all are irritating the hell out of me with you're "it's all bullshit" attitudes.....I'm backin away and holdin my tongue.....which is a really good thing if you only knew.........................
Well its not all BS. We see it in our food supply at the stores. Shoot you go to a store, get beef and its tough, injected with all kinds of crap and quite frankly disgusting taste.
we have a beef out here we're growing and its all 100% naturally Grown. Grass fed right now, but when it comes time to put him up to fatten him up, he'll get the good stuff, not some premix with hormones and all. Lots of corn, oats, flax, sunflower oil seeds, alfalfa and bran, molasses and mixed with some milk. Get that a couple months and he'll be tasty and tender!
Quote from: pamsback on November 06, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Least you know what I'm talkin about Steve. Which is kinda shockin as much as we butt heads :P
For the rest of you.........since y'all are irritating the hell out of me with you're "it's all bullshit" attitudes.....I'm backin away and holdin my tongue.....which is a really good thing if you only knew.........................
Stick it in your ear, Pam. I swear, you state your opinion like it is the gospel and then when someone counters it you accuse them of jumping down your throat. Well you know what, bite me! You and your greenie friends holler and scream about "big corporations" polluting the earth and don't admit your part in it until someone calls you on it. You get mad when folks lump you in with the yuppies and then you turn around and accuse everyone that doesn't agree with you of killing the earth and such. You are hell on wheels when it comes to dishing it out but you get your panties in a bunch when someone gives it back.
QuoteStick it in your ear, Pam. I swear, you state your opinion like it is the gospel and then when someone counters it you accuse them of jumping down your throat. Well you know what, bite me! You and your greenie friends holler and scream about "big corporations" polluting the earth and don't admit your part in it until someone calls you on it. You get mad when folks lump you in with the yuppies and then you turn around and accuse everyone that doesn't agree with you of killing the earth and such. You are hell on wheels when it comes to dishing it out but you get your panties in a bunch when someone gives it back.
Bullshit.....I state my opinion like it is just that MY opinion and as such it IS the gospel of what I,ME,MYSELF think. I ALWAYS admit my shortcomings...I have more than a few. I "get my panties in a bunch" when people start puttin words in my mouth.
I have definite opinions about pollution. I voice them. I am a human doin my best and f*&^ing up at the same time because THAT'S what humans do. Just because I don't set down and shut the f up when yall disagree with me DON'T mean I "got my panties in a bunch". It means this is an IMPORTANT subject to me. So you bite ME.
That's exactly right Steve.
Quote from: Patriot on November 06, 2009, 12:30:33 PMOnly one rebuttal: "Get rich quick scheme"
There are some who *are* getting rich off of the 'organic' movement! I'm just not one of them!
Yeah, I definitely worded that poorly. They definitely are making a ton of money off of it.
Steve, how do you control johnson grass?
Goats. Chickens. Cows. lawn mower. Weed eater. hoe.
It would be fun to watch a guy with a hoe in a 350 acre corn field. Show me your 250bushel organic corn. I want to see the dry land wheat with wide spaces rows planted with out any seed inoculate. The fields would be so pretty with all the spring growth.
Lawn mower? Really!
Quote from: ADP on November 07, 2009, 09:33:16 AM
Goats. Chickens. Cows. lawn mower. Weed eater. hoe.
It would be fun to watch a guy with a hoe in a 350 acre corn field. Show me your 250bushel organic corn. I want to see the dry land wheat with wide spaces rows planted with out any seed inoculate. The fields would be so pretty with all the spring growth.
Burning kills off the seed, plant the rows so that you can go down the rows with a tiller of some sort and you control it easily that way. But planting cover crops in the winter helps control it too as well as fertilizes the soil naturally.
Quote from: ADP on November 07, 2009, 09:33:16 AM
Goats. Chickens. Cows. lawn mower. Weed eater. hoe.
It would be fun to watch a guy with a hoe in a 350 acre corn field. Show me your 250bushel organic corn. I want to see the dry land wheat with wide spaces rows planted with out any seed inoculate. The fields would be so pretty with all the spring growth.
Guess what, its being done on a LARGE scale. More than 350 acres. Try looking at seedexchange. they grow organic seed for sale. So if they can do it everyone can do it.
Burn it. I'd sure hate to see someone burn their house down.
Quote from: greatguns on November 07, 2009, 09:50:26 AM
Burn it. I'd sure hate to see someone burn their house down.
Well don't worry about it ok! You might want to consider getting some help for your
obsession over monitoring everything i do though. That isn't healthy you know.
It is interesting to read about burning off a field. I remember that from the days that I lived in areas where that was a standard practice and I think I remember a story of someone actually burning their house down when a fire got out of control. In an area such as Elk County, this practice is acceptable as it is a wide open area and the smoke dissipates rapidly and causes no harm. In SoCal, you would probably be heavily fined if your house caught on fire and the smoke got into the atmosphere! ;)
I remember a story from years back about a guy who built a house on a hill above the roadway and other houses. During a torrential rainstorm, the hill gave way and his house slid across the road into another house. Not only did he lose his house, the neighbor sued him for destruction of private property and the county sent him a bill for clearing and repairing the road. He, in turn, sued the contractor and architect, as well as the geologist who all assured him that building the house where he did was totally safe. I never did hear the end of that story.
Larryj
Quote from: larryJ on November 07, 2009, 10:28:44 AM
It is interesting to read about burning off a field. I remember that from the days that I lived in areas where that was a standard practice and I think I remember a story of someone actually burning their house down when a fire got out of control. In an area such as Elk County, this practice is acceptable as it is a wide open area and the smoke dissipates rapidly and causes no harm. In SoCal, you would probably be heavily fined if your house caught on fire and the smoke got into the atmosphere! ;)
I remember a story from years back about a guy who built a house on a hill above the roadway and other houses. During a torrential rainstorm, the hill gave way and his house slid across the road into another house. Not only did he lose his house, the neighbor sued him for destruction of private property and the county sent him a bill for clearing and repairing the road. He, in turn, sued the contractor and architect, as well as the geologist who all assured him that building the house where he did was totally safe. I never did hear the end of that story.
Larryj
yeah we burn off fields and all every year. The garden has johnson grass in it but i am unable to get a mower into it and i am not physically able to toss a slingblade to knock it down. But i figure all i have to do is wait til it snows and burn it and the snow will keep it under control. Not a biggie. Now if someone around here with a bush hog wants to volenteer to come knock it down, i would welcome any help someone wants to offer. But again, i don't expect that to happen so no biggie.
I'll get it down when its safe to do so.
Don't the goats eat it? If not, get the creeper to come eat it. It's vegetarian and loves that kind of thing. ;D
I was told with good authority that the only thing that would kill Johnson grass is Bindweed! ;D ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 07, 2009, 05:18:57 PM
Don't the goats eat it? If not, get the creeper to come eat it. It's vegetarian and loves that kind of thing. ;D
Goats will eat it but they prefer browse. And maybe now that its dry, they might go for it better than when it was green.
But i would have to tie them out to do it and the people around here have too many dogs running around and a goat tied up is nothing but easy target for those dogs.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on November 07, 2009, 05:30:26 PM
I was told with good authority that the only thing that would kill Johnson grass is Bindweed! ;D ;D
Oh heck no, that is not something i would wish on my worse enemy!
That wuz a joke suh! ;D ;D
Quote from: sixdogsmom on November 07, 2009, 07:08:29 PM
That wuz a joke suh! ;D ;D
Shudders at the horror of bindweed. :P