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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Warph on October 14, 2009, 11:47:54 AM

Title: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Warph on October 14, 2009, 11:47:54 AM


For some reason, Rush Limbaugh's mooted purchase of a sports franchise has prompted CNN, MSNBC and others to distribute far and wide what appear to be entirely fabricated racist quotes by Rush.  As Tim Blair points out:
"Bizarrely, nobody running these career-killing 'quotes' seems to question why they weren't of previous interest."

Just so.  What's the theory here?  He said these things on the air in 2006 and nobody noticed?  2001?  Maybe 1995, back when Clinton was blaming him for Oklahoma City?  Hey, let's not get hung up on details.  Just because nobody can find any evidence anywhere of Rush saying these "quotes" doesn't mean he didn't say 'em.  As someone called Jason Whitlock says:
"Limbaugh doesn't get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."

Why not?  He does his show every day with an off-mike black sidekick yakking in his ear (Mr. Snerdley) and he has a black guest-host (the great Walter Williams).  More to the point, when I began guest-hosting for Rush, I was amazed to discover that George Soros pays a team of stenographers, many of them called Zachary, to work their tippy-tappy fingers to the bone for three hours transcribing everything Rush or his fill-ins say in the hope that their efforts will one day be rewarded and he will deliver the big career-detonating soundbite.  Among the afficionados of this service are, as I discovered recently, America's "newspaper of record," which faithfully follows the George Soros typing pool and dutifully plasters any potentially damaging bon mot on page one.

And, aside from all that, 20 million people are out there listening.

So where are these racist soundbites?  Where's the audio?  Where's the transcript?  Name the year.  Heigh-ho, say CNN's Rick Sanchez and the rest of the basement-ratings crowd.  Not our problem: It's for Limbaugh to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's never said it. 

Sounds like they are looking for another "Imus gotcha moment"  Geez..... Don't you just love the liberal point of view ???
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Anmar on October 14, 2009, 11:58:34 AM
His comments weren't made on his radio show, it was when he worked briefly on a pre-game show for ESPN.  He was actually fired for his comments about Donovan Mcnabb and I, like many NFL fans, heard them with our own ears.  We don't need a transcript.

That being said, i'm not against him owning a team, I think if anyone has the money they should go for it.  The only problem i foresee is that many players may refuse to play for him and the Rams may not be able to field a decent team, not that they are any good now.
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Tobina+1 on October 14, 2009, 03:06:09 PM
I bet if he shells out enough money, no one will have a problem forgetting his comments.
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Varmit on October 14, 2009, 09:48:48 PM
I'm not an NFL fan, so what was the racist comment?
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Anmar on October 15, 2009, 12:25:26 AM
He said 2 things

First, that NFL owners were pushing for Donovan Mcnabb to be a premier quarterback because they wanted more black quarterbacks.

Second, that the NFL is just a battle between bloods and crips but without weapons.

I'm paraphrasing of course.
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Varmit on October 15, 2009, 03:46:44 AM
Thats it?? Thats what has peoples panties in a bunch? 
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: redcliffsw on October 15, 2009, 05:37:41 AM

Liberals and socialists seem to have a lot of "racial problems".
To think that Limbaugh is a racist is nonsense. 
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Warph on October 15, 2009, 07:46:58 AM
Quote from: Anmar on October 14, 2009, 11:58:34 AM
His comments weren't made on his radio show, it was when he worked briefly on a pre-game show for ESPN.  He was actually fired for his comments about Donovan Mcnabb and I, like many NFL fans, heard them with our own ears.  We don't need a transcript.


That's a crock of BS, anmar.... He wasn't fired, he resigned.... get your story straight.  Check it out at ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/gen/news/2003/1001/1628537.html

Rush Limbaugh was purged from the investor group trying to buy the St. Louis Rams.  According to the St. Louis Post Dispatch, Limbaugh didn't jump, he was pushed from the group trying to buy the St. Louis Rams.

The Post-Dispatch has learned through league sources that Limbaugh has been dropped from the group. Limbaugh has been informed of the decision, according to league sources. The Checketts group subsequently issued a statement to that effect (complete statement is included at bottom of this story).
Less than two weeks ago, reports surfaced that Limbaugh, the conservative radio commentator, had joined a potential ownership group headed by Checkett, owner of the St. Louis Blues. Limbaugh himself later confirmed that he was part of the group.
That set off a firestorm of criticism that included NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith, politcal activist Al Sharpton, and several NFL players. It became evident that Limbaugh was in trouble Tuesday, when Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay said he would vote against Limbaugh's inclusion in the Rams' ownership group. In addition, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell distanced himself from Limbaugh with several comments critcal of Limbaugh at the NFL owners meetings in Boston."


I wonder what poor little victim Mr. Black Quarterback has to say about this?  He probably doesn't give a shit one way or the other.  I would say Rush has one hell of a reason to sue the group headed by Checkett.  Hope he does!
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Anmar on October 15, 2009, 11:27:35 AM
Resigned? you mean like the way that environmental "czar" guy resigned?

get real.
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Diane Amberg on October 15, 2009, 11:47:22 AM
Sports politics can be very rough because of all the money involved. Who cares? They just move on to the next deal.This should blow over very quickly.
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Anmar on October 15, 2009, 06:46:45 PM
I don't like to post articles here, but i'm a huge NFL fan and i saw this and thought it was interesting

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AkKEc52nzH.PGZJ2LGE_P3HxxLsF?slug=dw-limbaugh101309&%3Bprov=yhoo&%3Btype=lgns&poll_id=49198&wv=1 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AkKEc52nzH.PGZJ2LGE_P3HxxLsF?slug=dw-limbaugh101309&%3Bprov=yhoo&%3Btype=lgns&poll_id=49198&wv=1)

And of couse, key quotes from the article


QuoteSo a group of almost exclusively white, almost exclusively conservative men – many of whom no doubt share Limbaugh's political views and even listen to his radio program – are turning their back on the host.

He and his supporters can cry about bias and political correctness run amok. They can scream about the Constitution. They can bemoan double standards.

The fact is you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Limbaugh made his money through his words. Now those words are denying him a business opportunity in a league that prides itself on inclusion.

"We're all held to a high standard here and divisive comments are not what the NFL's all about," said league commissioner Roger Goodell. "I would not want to see those kind of comments from people who are in a responsible position in the NFL, no. Absolutely not."

QuoteIt's been pathetic to see all the opportunistic political demagogues on all sides come out on the cable scream-fest "news" channels. (Is a potential minority owner of a lousy NFL team really a pressing issue in America?)

QuoteIt's allowed both sides to cloud the situation with their own hackneyed "gotcha" agendas. Reverends Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton should try to help the downtrodden rather than score cheap publicity. Anyone who attributed inflammatory quotes to Limbaugh that he never said should pay the consequences.

Yet Limbaugh's supporters can do a lot better than cry about how he was unfairly beaten down by political correctness.

Limbaugh would be best served manning up and acknowledging how he made his money. The whining bit isn't becoming of anyone. He doesn't have to apologize for it, but he has to admit words have consequences.


Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: kshillbillys on October 15, 2009, 08:00:17 PM
Quote from: Varmit on October 15, 2009, 03:46:44 AM
Thats it?? Thats what has peoples panties in a bunch? 

Remember Varmint---it doesn't take much to be called a racist. All you have to do is say "YOU LIE". Damn, I'm a racist now. Who comes out to bitch tomorrow, people with ingrown toenails? If Rush would've been able to buy this team, I doubt there would've been any ONE of the bloods or the crips, or those backwards ass redneck hillbillies playing on that team, would've thrown away the money they receive each year, just because Rush Limbaugh and the EIB network makes a few statements that don't settle with the liberal left wing nutjobs.

KUDOS to you Warph!

MR KShillbillys
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Varmit on October 16, 2009, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: Anmar on October 15, 2009, 12:25:26 AM
First, that NFL owners were pushing for Donovan Mcnabb to be a premier quarterback because they wanted more black quarterbacks.

How is that racist?

Quote from: Anmar on October 15, 2009, 12:25:26 AM
Second, that the NFL is just a battle between bloods and crips but without weapons.

The comparison is pretty acurate.  But if it was me I would have compared the NFL more to a dog fight.  Oh, wait a minute, didn't micheal vick already do that??
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Anmar on October 16, 2009, 01:29:43 PM
I didn't say he was a racist, thats what the rabble rousers said.  If you read my original post, I actually said i thought he should be allowed to be an owner.
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: redcliffsw on October 17, 2009, 08:36:30 PM


But who are the discriminators and haters here?

Article by Star Parker........

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=113146
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Anmar on October 18, 2009, 07:00:25 PM
That article was downright silly.  Who reads that crap?
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: Warph on October 20, 2009, 12:22:30 AM


I don't usually read Star Parker either but she' correct about Al Sharpton.  The guy is slimey race baiter and has probably hurt his race more than he has helped it.  Good article, Red.
Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: srkruzich on October 20, 2009, 04:49:24 AM
Quote from: Warph on October 20, 2009, 12:22:30 AM


I don't usually read Star Parker either but she' correct about Al Sharpton.  The guy is slimey race baiter and has probably hurt his race more than he has helped it.  Good article, Red.

Yes he is.  So is Ole oprah, and jesse jackson.  I remember when ole Al there and oprah decided to take on two counties in Georgia cause they were all white counties. Wasn't because they were racist counties, it was because there were no blacks that wanted to live there at the time.  Most of the growth of the area went east instead of north to those counties.
But these two Just had to go down on the request of jesse jackson and stir the pot.  They all pretty much got run out of town on a rail.   

Title: Re: "Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters."
Post by: redcliffsw on October 20, 2009, 02:15:12 PM
Should Rush Sue?
by Thomas Sowell

To sue or not to sue? That is the question.

After racist statements were made up out of thin air and then attributed to Rush Limbaugh, these were the options he had.

It is easy for me to understand that these are not simple choices because I have faced those options as well. Recently there have been a number of columns made up by others and put on the Internet with my name on them. The things said in those bogus columns have nothing in common with anything that I have said, in my columns, in my books or anywhere else.

Years ago, CBS reporter Lem Tucker said in a broadcast on Oct. 13, 1981, that my views "seem to place him in the school that believes that maybe most blacks are genetically inferior to white people."

Anyone interested in the facts could have discovered that I had argued directly against this idea in a number of writings, including a feature article in the New York Times Magazine on March 27, 1977.

An attorney
I did not know, but who had read my writings and knew that what was insinuated in that broadcast was totally false, offered to represent me in a lawsuit against CBS. That was when I faced the kind of dilemma Rush Limbaugh faces now.

When someone is considered to be a "public figure" – and Rush Limbaugh is certainly that – the Supreme Court has narrowed the grounds on which that public figure can sue for libel, to the point where even the most blatant lie can often go unpunished.

Worse yet, there may be millions of people who never heard the original lie but who will hear it repeated in the media as a result of news stories about the lawsuit. And when those who committed character assassination are let off the hook on a technicality, they can claim "vindication," as if what they said was true.

The question facing any public figure who has been the target of character assassination in the media is: Is it worth investing a large amount of time in a process that can make you worse off by spreading the very lie that you are suing to stop?

The down side of not suing is that it allows the lie to continue to be repeated in the media, with later repetitions being justified in terms of "just reporting" what someone else said.

No one can resolve this dilemma for someone else. My decision in 1981 was that I had too many other things to do for me to go into the exhausting and time-consuming process of suing CBS, with such dicey odds in the courts.

Every situation is different, so whether Rush Limbaugh should sue is a question that only he can answer.

read the rest:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=113457