Where are the body bags NYTimes, Washington Post and the rest of you liberal, Obama loving freaks??
Virtually every day during the Iraq War when George Bush was president, the New York Times featured a dead soldier, or many dead soldiers, on its front page. Every day the paper tugged at the heart-strings of Americans at home for their young men and women sent to die by a presidential liar for "no reason" in an "unnecessary war."
Barack Obama has continued both wars started by President Bush (and what does that tell you about liberal lies?) but there are no body bags to be seen, no heart-wrenching stories on the front pages of the liberal newspapers and cable outlets that Obama has in his back pocket, no tales of needlessly dead American soldiers, no stories of American torturers, and no stories of collateral damage to innocent civilians (and how many civilians do you think has Obama blown up)?
And why is that? Maybe Flint or anmar or greatguns or you far-lefties can explain why this is? I think it's because the American left was willing to give victory to America's enemies for political gain at home.
Amen to that WARPH
I don't read those papers, so i wouldn't know whats going on. I would say you don't follow the news very closely. The Obama administration is trying to prevent the release of more Abu Ghraib photos, and it looks like they were successful, the battle is still ongoing. Furthermore, soldiers aren't dying 3-4 a day like they were during the Bush administration. Then, we were losing 90-100 a month. In afghanistan, we are losing that many in a year.
Now while bush was president, it was military policy that photos of the dead soldiers returning from the wars were not allowed. I think once a photographer snuck in and took some pics, so if you meant that literally, you're just plain wrong. But, i imagine like my last post, instead of trying to talk about actual points, you are going to ignore the facts and call me names. I think it's funny how when you get shown up, you just move on to the next post. At any rate, keep em coming.
edit: or maybe you'll just go back and delete your posts ::)
Warph, I thought you were supposed to stop throwing names around when the person wasn't part of the conversation. Why the pot stirring and muck raking...isn't that what Varmit was talking about?What's your point? Ya want body bags? Come here and I'll get you an escort.
Warph, you must be a little mixed up, I'm not in the newspaper business and never have been. I wouln't be privy to that information and I have never been a fill in host to any talk show. Keep trying!
Thanks, JarHead. I guess it took someone with military savviness to see what I meant. Thanks for the "Amen."
Well anmar.... (geez... I feel like I'm talking to some 10 yr. old spoiled punk)... you started out fairly well with the first sentence admitting you don't know shit about what's going on in the news today... then it went waaay downhill after that. Your little muslim brain took a left turn and headed to ObamaLand and the Abu Ghraib photos. Lets see, were their muslims in those photos? By golly, I believe there was. That the best you can do. That's old news. I guess you're trying hard to get back at this "old man" for calling you an idiot, which I have all ideas you enjoyed. You talk like someone who is a little limp in the wrist.... Example: To Pep on another thread:
Quote from: Anmar on October 09, 2009, 03:13:36 PM
I'm not going to bother having a discussion with you. You're prior post shows that you really aren't interested in broadening your horizons and participating in any kind of intelligent discourse. Yes, i can go back and pick out posts from various threads that are incredibly rude and I'll bet most of the authors are gun owners. I recognize that correllation doesn't necessarily support causation, however the post was intended to have a degree of humor, which apparantly was over your head. However, if you want to take my post seriously, then you are living proof that you don't have to be a gun owner to be rude. Your little angry rant proved that much.
You seem so proud of your rudeness, and for that, i leave you with Matthew 5:22
Geez.... that sounded like the one you wrote me back a few months ago. (Oh me... will it ever stop) And as far as the deletions go, anmar, that seems to really bother you... I didn't know you were a fan.
Diane.... I guess you got as far as the first 3 words of the title and decided I was up to no good. tsk...tsk... You evidently didn't read or understand what I was asking, I guess, as you couldn't figure out.... the point. I guess Batman will have to pay you another visit and explain it to you. Do you know you are getting as bad as that 10 yr. old kid anmar? Quit drinking that water.
Warph you are the Master Statesman, both of your posts on this thread were good. You remind me of the old saying, "mess with the bull and you get the horn".
Warph -- I think Anwar's remark about deleting the post was directed to me -- I DID delete the post, buttttt I have NOT changed my thoughts that were posted.
Thanks, Frank.... Here at the 19th Hole, I tell everyone they need to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
Quote from: Jo McDonald on October 15, 2009, 08:16:25 AM
Warph -- I think Anwar's remark about deleting the post was directed to me -- I DID delete the post, buttttt I have NOT changed my thoughts that were posted.
And a great post it was, Jo... thank you for sticking up with me. No... I believe anmar was referring to my deletions on some post that were old and weren't getting anymore play. And you can be sure that anmar "gets off" on these negative posts against him. Strange dude.
Warph, I know exactly what I meant. You expected answers from 3 people, whose names you posted, who could not possibly have answered the questions you asked. You sniped them unnecessarily. I think that's rude and is meant to discourage anyone from having a different opinion. Some people have dropped off because they were too often trampled. Some know they will be bullied and don't say much any more and some don't care and will fight back for their right to be heard. As far as bad water, that's Howard's problem not mine. I always did stand up to bullies, so be rude all you want, I'll just tune it out. I've been cussed out worse by angry third graders, but at least I know they are still a work in progress. For a few of you, I don't know how you can go to church on Sunday and then talk so far down to people on Monday. I just wasn't used to that on this forum. Didn't expect it from Kansas folk. What ever happened to simply saying that you disagree and leaving it at that? Why attack the person who doesn't agree with you? What does that prove? There's that old saying that is so true, "If you can't attack the issue, attack the person."
When I joined this group 2 years ago, there was a lot of light sarcasm that was tossed around in fun and the kidding around wasn't mean. Now there are hurt feelings and intentional "victims" of some people with real mean streaks. I don't get it. Now you think you can offend me by comparing me to Anmar? Shall I comment on the IQ of people with tattoos? Especially smokers who have tattoos. What idiots! (not really, just an example) What is the point of all this? Are you going to "save" the country by verbally attacking a few people on here and telling lies about some of us? To what benefit? President O. will still be Pres. tomorrow, Joe Biden will still have hair plugs, and Michael Jackson will still be dead.
lol warph, keep your lies up, you may convince some people, may even convince yourself. Just notice that you don't talk about issues. You post lies, i correct you, and then you start in with the personal attacks. Your slacking. You don't have anything left.
Well... I will politely and sweetly say that "I disagree" with you Anmar.. :angel:
You may think that Warph has one foot in the grave..( He's older than me so maybe he does) (http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/112.gif). But with "old" comes first hand knowledge.. hands on experience and grit and guts. **Never forget that** ;)
I'm sure that you inwardly are proud that you have the vocabulary to twist every post that doesn't agree with the way that you see the world, with some sort of rhetoric so that there hopefully is that seed of doubt that plays on the minds of the "unsure". You may have the arrogance of youth on your side so that it appears on the outside that you are the "all knowing"... but this "old man" who chidingly calls himself Warph has forgotten more in his lifetime than you or most of us will even know about the doings and goings on in the political world of Washington.
He doesn't stand up and brag and shout to people on here about what he has done.. where he has been ..and the things he has had to encounter and live through...
But he has walked the walk... in many many ways.
You are young and trusting. You may be book smart, and have a high IQ with a political degree. An achievement to definitely be proud of. You may think you have the system all figured out and you smugly have the answers to all the worlds problems. You may have all of these things.....And you know?? ...that's good.
That gives you young uprising politicians something to pad your egos with.... and to keep you pushing ahead in this old world...bragging rights you might say.
But...........in real life...............
If push ever comes to shove............and I have to choose which man I want in a foxhole with me, covering my back....... I'll pick the old guy who's scuffed up around the edges..who's been shot at...and shot back and lived to tell about it... .I'll jump in with the one whose been around the block a few times~~Who will get in there with his bare hands and dig.. Who's been in the White House dining rooms and also seen first hand what is cluttering up Washington's secret corrupt little basements ......
"My world" is now made up of a 95% male dominated crowd. Most are special force military, & tactical law enforcement instructors. Some are FBI..some are undercover.. I even have a very very close friend who was Ronald Reagans SS bodyguard. So more than half are retired. The stories they tell and the things I learn can't be explained. I gratefully give thanks for the opportunity and privilege to be able to be around and become friends with just these types of people... ..what you so disrespectfully call "old men".....
but I'd trust my life with them....becasue they carry with them everything that make them, just that.......Old Men. :)
Thanks Warph.......for all you've done.. still do... and will continue to do that no one anywhere will ever know.
Was I nice enough? ( sometimes I really HATE being the owner of this site...)
Quote from: Teresa on October 15, 2009, 01:01:47 PM
Well... I will politely and sweetly say that "I disagree" with you Anmar.. :angel:
You may think that Warph has one foot in the grave..( He's older than me so maybe he does) (http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/112.gif). But with "old" comes first hand knowledge.. hands on experience and grit and guts. **Never forget that** ;)
I'm sure that you inwardly are proud that you have the vocabulary to twist every post that doesn't agree with the way that you see the world, with some sort of rhetoric so that there hopefully is that seed of doubt that plays on the minds of the "unsure". You may have the arrogance of youth on your side so that it appears on the outside that you are the "all knowing"... but this "old man" who chidingly calls himself Warph has forgotten more in his lifetime than you or most of us will even know about the doings and goings on in the political world of Washington.
He doesn't stand up and brag and shout to people on here about what he has done.. where he has been ..and the things he has had to encounter and live through...
But he has walked the walk... in many many ways.
You are young and trusting. You may be book smart, and have a high IQ with a political degree. An achievement to definitely be proud of. You may think you have the system all figured out and you smugly have the answers to all the worlds problems. You may have all of these things.....And you know?? ...that's good.
That gives you young uprising politicians something to pad your egos with.... and to keep you pushing ahead in this old world...bragging rights you might say.
But...........in real life...............
If push ever comes to shove............and I have to choose which man I want in a foxhole with me, covering my back....... I'll pick the old guy who's scuffed up around the edges..who's been shot at...and shot back and lived to tell about it... .I'll jump in with the one whose been around the block a few times~~Who will get in there with his bare hands and dig.. Who's been in the White House dining rooms and also seen first hand what is cluttering up Washington's secret corrupt little basements ......
"My world" is now made up of a 95% male dominated crowd. Most are special force military, & tactical law enforcement instructors. Some are FBI..some are undercover.. I even have a very very close friend who was Ronald Reagans SS bodyguard. So more than half are retired. The stories they tell and the things I learn can't be explained. I gratefully give thanks for the opportunity and privilege to be able to be around and become friends with just these types of people... ..what you so disrespectfully call "old men".....
but I'd trust my life with them....becasue they carry with them everything that make them, just that.......Old Men. :)
Thanks Warph.......for all you've done.. still do... and will continue to do that no one anywhere will ever know.
Was I nice enough? ( sometimes I really HATE being the owner of this site...)
I appreciate your well thought out post Teresa, All i'm saying is that Warph doesn't discuss issues. His pattern is to write or copy/paste political based falsehoods and then any time someone exposes him, he resorts to personal attacks. He's been doing it for as long as I've been a member of these forums.
Just look at this thread. He started out by complaining about an issue. I explained that he is comparing apples to oranges and so he calls me a "muslim" and a "10 year old kid" yet completely ignores the original issue or my retort. What's the point of attacking Diane, or calling people out?
Frank, how can you think this is the post of a master statesman, do you know what a statesman is? Warph, in this thread and the threads he deleted, is the anti-statesmen
Jo, I'm not referring to the posts you deleted, Warph deleted many of his posts as well, and i was referring to those.
I don't have a problem talking with anyone here about any political issue. I respect other people's opinions but Warph has chosen to blatantly lie, use personal attacks, and basically try to stir up shit. This is the epitome of the problem with politics. American soldiers are dying needlessly and our country is going broke and all some people can do is be divisive for their own gain. Warph strikes me as the type of person who projects his attitudes onto other people. He accuses me of "getting off" on posts, but really, think about what the point of this whole thread is. He calls out several members of the forum and tries to pick an argument with us. Who's posting to "get off" ?
I don't know what possesses me sometimes to chime in... maybe I'm practicing my mothering skills of breaking up fights... maybe I'm just pregnant, have a head cold, and am grumpy...
OK, here's some thoughts.
1) You all blow things out of proportion, skew what people say, and just like to ruffle feathers for fun.
2) I think the reason Warph picks out certain people is so that he'll have someone to argue with him. I envision him sitting back in his "old man" chair and just laughing! He's got old, crusty, thick skin and is trying to toughen up some of the "youngins".
3) Since Teresa knows Warph and defends him, I think maybe they have a pact. Warph will keep this Forum on edge at all times so that more people will come in a watch the fights break out. Too bad Teresa isn't getting paid per "guest" or login (or is she...)
4) I sometimes wonder if some of these people who fight so intensely online aren't actually friends in person. They sit in the coffee shop in the mornings chatting about what to post and argue about next, just to have entertainment and see who else they can drag into the foxhole.
5) No one argues or disagrees vehmently with Teresa. Is it because she always softens the blow by first saying she'll "politely" disagree with you (maybe everyone should try that tactic) or includes the smiley-angel? Or is it because she's the "mother hen" and everyone's afraid she'll give them the boot and their forum fun will be gone? Or is it because she gives fantastic masssages and she's just drumming up business by having such a stressful, argumentative section on the forum?
6) Back to the original post, when a war starts, of course there is going to be more deaths and more coverage. Everyone wants to be the "first" to report what's going on and ruffle feathers. (They ARE trying to sell newspapers.) As the war goes on, and things get more under control (not saying we're winning, but having more control), less people are dying, actually. Plus, it's not as fantastic anymore. People get tired of the reality of war, and they stop buying into the political fights. I mean, even Rudy Taylor wouldn't sell as many newspapers if he had the same story on the front page week after week.
7) You can tell when an original post isn't interesting, as people get totally off-subject and would rather argue about who is male/female, old/young, educated/non-educated, military/non-military than to actually discuss the original questions.
8) Lastly, this forum is for ENTERTAINMENT. We're not going to solve the country's political issues with any of our posts on here. Lighten up. Who knows, "Anmar" may be your local doctor, "Varmit" may be your preacher's son, "Warph" may be your grandMA, and that "Diane" lady is probably Teresa's 2nd personality!
***Disclaimer*** I am politely posting these thoughts to help ease the embattlement of the politics section and to bring some light-hearted thoughts to this thread. The comments posted here do not reflect any political, religous, or sexual preferences of the author. These statements have not been evaluated by the surgeon general, nor have been proven to be of any factual content.
Now listen here Tobina, just because Teresa and I share the same anniversary, doesn't mean we have anything else going on! ;D ;D ;D
Nicely said my friend. Now, if we could just work on some basic manners. I really don't like finding myself angry enough to spout off, but I really do get weary of reading the personal attacks that seem to come out of nowhere. This forum didn't used to be like that.
Tobina...This Mama Bear is not smiling!!!!
Oops, sorry Jo. Will it help if I put some angel-smileys in it??
:angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:
:) >:( ;D :) 8) :P......Smily's can be used in many ways..
I can not answer for the ways that they are used by anyone but me.
My :angel: was used in my last post as a condescending sarcastic gesture. ..simply to appease those who thrive to be the internet police on social behavior.
Just like I said a while back.. I have grown weary and don't have the give a damn or care to discuss or debate too much in here with the people around here. I "KNOW" what I know...Now,whether anyone is of like mind with me?? I don't know and it is of absolute no concern to me. I know the friends in my life on who I can trust and depend. I live my life physically and spiritually the best way I know. I'll fiercely protect my own when ever I need to, in any way that I need to. Other than that.. if any one of you in here want to have the disillusionment of thinking I have a pact with certain people, have at it. And for anyone's curiosity.. I SPEND a good chunk of money on this web site every single month.....no one pays me for anything in here.
And I'm not pregnant but I am very very grumpy right now.........so if those of you who continue to whine and complain that the forum isn't like it "used to be"......my suggestion would be to find another one that suits what you want and need in a gathering place, stay out of the sections you do not like..build your own and bring people to it.... or get your underwear out of the knot it's in and simply deal with it.
The more people that join ..the more change you will see. Some good.. some not so good. That's the way of anything where you have a group of people who do not fly in the same circle and who are not all "friends"..
And I generally keep my opinions and disagreements polite because I live in this town.. I make a small amount of my living in this town.. my whole family lives in this town...and we will always live "in this town".
And If I were to allow anyone to see "my 2nd personality" up close and personal it would be a huge deterrent and not conducive to any of the above factors..
Now one last thing. I do not know how many times I have to say this but I will 'politely' say it one more time and I will speak very S-L-O-W-L-Y for those of you who haven't yet got it.
I do not ...have not..... will not ... boot anyone off this forum. ( I would love to sometimes. but I will not do it)
So if you think that the 'mother hen' will uproot your forum nest.. think again. You can disagree with me .. call me names.. do whatever you want to... everyone has their reasons why they do or they don't do what they do. Being kicked off the forum isn't going to be one of them.
People need to understand that if you slap them...no matter how hard... you have just in fact given them permission to slap you back.. And sometimes the return slap will be twice as hard.. so if you do not want or can not handle being slapped...then you better not throw the first one.
First of all, Tobina, you are all-wise and all-seeing and your family is lucky to have you. Your child shall become president one day.
To Teresa, I think I am falling in love all over again.
To Anmar, pay attention to the message that comes from the lady, she is so right on.
To Diane, I agree that the forum has changed. But, I think there is more posts in the Politics Section which breeds misinformation and aggravation to and from others. It wouldn't be politics if everyone agreed with everyone else. It is true when the subject matter is lost to postings of insults and name calling, it is a lost cause.
Maybe the old saying "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all," should apply here.
There are so many threads on this forum that are informative without someone insulting others, there are many that are humorous, Pam has started a thread accentuating the positive. Judy brings us our daily religious teachings. There are other less traveled threads that contain insights someone who is new will want to read.
There is a huge diversified group here and not everyone is going to agree. My mama allus tole me "you can measure a person's intelligence by what comes out his mouth. If it smells good, it must be true----If it smells bad, it is coming from the other end and can't be trusted." At least, I think that is what she said.
I agree that Warph knows a lot more than I ever will. He has a few (very few) years on me. But, I trust his word and his instincts.
We all, and I mean we all still have the freedom of speech, and we SHOULD all have the freedom of decency.
Okay I will shut up now.
Larryj
Theresa and Tobina, i agree with the principals of your posts.
What do you do when someone starts to ignore moderator warnings? 4 days ago, Billy posted the following:
QuoteFolks, the personal attacks and name calling needs to stop. I understand and agree with alot of it however it does nothing but drag a discussion down. Opinions on a subject are one thing and are welcome, opinions about individual members should be kept to yourself.
Yet 2 days later, we see this from warph
QuoteI feel like I'm talking to some 10 yr. old spoiled punk
QuoteYour little muslim brain
QuoteYou talk like someone who is a little limp in the wrist
QuoteI guess Batman will have to pay you another visit and explain it to you. Do you know you are getting as bad as that 10 yr. old kid anmar? Quit drinking that water.
I didn't even know about this one until someone told me. I don't care about the peace prize and in fact, i've already posted that i didn't think he deserved it, yet warph still had to put my name in there
QuoteIt was just as well that the Nobel Committee gave Obama the award. If they had given it to someone else like Franklin Graham, I could see that 10 yr. old bratty kid, anmar, jumping on stage at the ceremony to say that Obama deserved it instead.
Frankly, it's hard to find a post that warph writes (one that he doesn't copy/paste from somewhere else) that doesn't have my name in it. Not the Kansas values my momma taught me.
It amazes me that certain people can sling all the cow dung they can spew from their sewers but when a turd or two gets thrown in their direction they start whinning their arse off. Need to grow thicker hide !!
Anmar, go cry to your mama. Grow some coconuts, put down your pina colada, step out of the bat cave into the sunlight, stop flying your rainbow flag, everybody has an opinion and you know a skunk smells his own hole first. Have some respect for your elders, son AND have more respect for your country.
MR. KShillbillys
P.S. Warph you're absolutely correct. The ABC World News with Charles Gibson used to ALWAYS end the show with a soldier that had died, but now that Obama is President they've stopped doing it! Just another one to add to your list!
P.S.S. And as for that "mother hen" that owns this forum stirring everybody up to strum up business for a massage, that sounds very pleasant but would be embarrassing for both of us... ;D
Wow, I think everyone must have skimmed over my ***DISCLAIMER*** portion of my post (except Larry). If you hadn't, you'd realize that everything I said, I said tongue-in-cheek and was TRYING to make light of what was going on! I was ABSOLUTELY NOT dogging on ANYONE. I was simply trying to poke a little fun to make some people stop and smile... :)
And TeresO, I'm sorry, but you should know me personally by now to realize that I would NEVER, EVER personally attack ANYONE, let alone someone that I do consider a "friend" (I guess even if you don't consider me in the same way). Everyone knows the personal sacrifice that you and Kjell put into this forum, and we have thanked you many times. That is why I jokingly said that you're just drumming up business... I wish you DID get paid by the "hit" or login! I'd still login as much as I do now!
I also just think it's funny that some people will argue so hard and with such violence against each other, but when Teresa steps in, everyone gets polite again. That's what she's there for, but I was just trying to joke and call those people out by saying, why not give everyone equal treatment? Why argue so hard with Teresa (who we know who she is and what she does), when you don't know much/anything about "who" the other members actually are on the Forum! Like I said, they may be your neighbor or friend just disguised as a "grumpy old man".
Once again, another joke, about Teresa's 2nd personality. She's said things in other posts before about her own crazy personality (or personalities), and I was again just making a point that sometimes you don't really know WHO you are talking with. We HAVE had people use 2 different logins on this Forum before. One to be their own "personality" and one who likes to anonymously stir up arguments for fun! And we all know enough about both Teresa and Diane that to think those two are from the same person, IS pretty funny.
Again, I'm sorry Teresa (and Jo) for what you thought I was picking on you. I actually used you as my example in that thread so many times because I thought you, of all people, would see the humor. Maybe this pregnancy and cold have just warped my own sense of humor. So, again, my apologies, and I will keep to the decaf in the coffee shop.
I'm really Tobina's alter ego
Unfortunately, I don't think Teresa and her Mom want anything to do with my personality. Somewhere along the line the fun poking and humor got lost.
Okay folks, can we put a stop to the ego-stroking, bad mouthing, he said she said bullshit? Seriously, if you don't like someone on here then don't read their posts.
You know, that's really hard to do sometimes. I've been reading along following something interesting on several occasions when out of nowhere, having nothing to do with the post, comes an arrow launched at someone who wasn't even part of the subject. I just don't understand that. Low self esteem? Just plain "in your face" rude? A misplaced sense of entitlement? Early dementia? A very weird sense of humor? What?
I sent you a pm Tobino...
I explained a lot to you..
Hope the miscommunication is straightened out now..
No worries... :)
I not only speak for myself but I kinda think this is universal.
Internet communication verses voice communication has lots of misunderstood repercussions from it.
Sometimes if you know that person.. you can "hear" what they type..
if not.. sometimes what you meant, works.. and sometimes it doesn't. What you were sure someone would understand .. well... it just falls on its butt flat in the mud and it sometimes leaves me scratching my head thinking.." well what in the hell did I say that was so wrong".. ??? I'm sure most of you have felt the same way at one time or another..
I generally type like i talk.. and have lots of people from all over the websites that call me on the phone to talk to me in person so they can get a feel for me and how I sound and my verbal animations .. becasue of the way I type.. As soon as I have them laughing and sharing in my 'out there' personality.. they ..from then on understand my writings..
Yes I do have many personality's.. (scary huh) but basically I am the same old country redneck down to earth woman that I always have been. Nothing shocks me.. nothing embarrasses me..I can find something to talk about with most anyone... and I am comfortable in about any situation with any group of people..
I have to be.
But..sometimes I am feeling crabby and grumpy and have had it.. ( just like everyone else) and just takes one thing that normally I would scan over and not even notice.. but that one thing when combined with everything else in the stressful day that hits a small nerve... and I comment in a post.. Not just to that one person.. but to everyone as a group.. It just seems like I hone in on individuals. Sorry for that. If I have anything to say to individuals I will do it with a pm..
No big deal.. its over and done.. I have said my piece..everyone who wants to has said theirs.. now lets get on with it and continue with life.
If I have the ability to sometimes make people stop and settle.. then that is good. I have done my job.. and Kjell will not have to reprimand me for "stirring the pot".. ( something I am very good at also.. ;D) I'm not totally out of trouble all the time at home.. but I'm getting better.. I continue to be a work in progress.. ;)