Nurses and scientists all over the world are not even taking the vaccine because they know themselves that it is a scam and will only bring you more harm and damage.
The Swine Flu is an orchestrated attempt to spread fear and chaos into the population and to try to get people vaccinated, which everyone should know contains mercury that damages your nervous system. Mercury, of course, is one of the most toxic substances you can put in a human body. It is a heavy metal known to contribute to neurological disorders, including autism, dementia, and even Alzheimer's disease. Mercury also tends to build up in tissues in the human body and is not easily removed, so even small exposures to mercury can accumulate over time and end up compromising the health of the person involved. Baxter, the makers of the flu vaccines was caught putting live bird flu in the vaccines and making people get more sick and ill with the help of the World Health Organization (WHO). DO NOT TAKE THE VACCINE! Unless of course you want to have the possibility of dying and destroying your immune system and have all sorts of side effects and you are determined for your own personal destruction - then by all means get it. If you an intelligent person and not a sheep, research further and you will come to the conclusion that this vaccine is a big scam and should not enter one single human body.
Swine Flu, Vaccination & You. Barbara Loe Fisher, President National Vaccine Information Center. June 17, 2009
I won't and don't take any flu shot.. It's not gonna happen! :police:
I don't take flu shots anyway, but especially not this one. There is just something about the way this is being pushed and thrown out in the public that doesn't set right with me, just doesn't feel right and I think a lot of people feel the same way. A friend of mine was told by her MD that he feels anyone born before 1957 should have been exposed to enough strains to not need the vaccination for Swine Flu. The videos above, especially the second one, should be enough to scare anyone about what the use of this flu could be setting us up for.
I WILL NOT get the swine flu shot!!!! So there!
Too much panic and too hastily done -
If it was that serious they would be testing for H1N1. In Lyon County, at least, they are only sending in RANDOM positive Influenza A test to KDHE for testing for H1N1. They said that they will tell you that you PROBABLY have swine flu but you will never know for sure. If it was as serious as all the hype was about I think they would be testing for it. Then again, that would be practical and the government wouldn't want to do anything like that. ;)
They did the same thing back in the 70's and killed a lot of people doing it. Seems that the vaccine caused a neurological disorder that killed and paralyzed people. So No I'm nobody's fool to allow a untested, unproven vaccine to be injected into my body.
That was in 1976 and a number of people did develop Guillain Barre Syndrome, some did die from it. It should be between the person AND THEIR DOCTOR as to whether anyone should get the shot or not, not just from something we read on any website.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 30, 2009, 05:05:28 PM
That was in 1976 and a number of people did develop Guillain Barre Syndrome, some did die from it. It should be between the person AND THEIR DOCTOR as to whether anyone should get the shot or not, not just from something we read on any website.
I didn't read that on a website, i lived through the swine flu back then and had a friend that died from the vaccine and a couple friends left with neurological problems. :) The main reason I would advise against any swine flu vaccine is they haven't tested it, and its unproven. Thats why we had so many die from it in 1976, as well as so many left scarred for life from it.
I have to agree with the second video though. Immunities are carried for lifetimes. I apparantly may be immune from the swine flu from my mom getting it back in 76. I didn't get it or if i did it was so mild that it didn't affect me hardly. I've been exposed to it again the last 2 weeks and have so far been fine.
Its not that bad really, just another flu.
From what i have seen i had a worse bout of flu january of 2008 than what i have seen, that one took me down for 4 days where i couldn't get out of the bed.
I didn't say or mean that you got your information from a web site! I didn't either. But a lot of people think it cheaper to get all their information from the web. That isn't always a reliable resource for everyone's situation. I'm so sorry you lost a friend in '76. We took many ambulance calls for people who skipped the shot, got the flu and ended up with severe respiratory infections. They needed oxygen to breathe and were too weak to stand, let alone walk to a car. Every one I had said they had no idea it would be that bad. I guess not everyone develops the same level of illness when they get any kind of "flu."
I will probably be getting the flu shot when it is offered. I already have an appointment for the reg. flu shot and will follow my doctors' advise about the H1N1 virus. I had the flu in 1969, and was one sick puppy. Since then I take a shot every year, and have not had the flu since. I have had the WGA several times, but do not think it was the flu. As an ex-smoker, my breathing is important to me; and I am certain that a bout with the flu isn't anything I want this year or any other. My Mom used to speak about the pandemic in 1917, and how afraid everyone was. That was the time that made millionaires out of the people who made Mentholatum in Wichita. That is an interesting story; the building still stands and is now an historical site I think. Hand washing is extremely important, along with sanitizer used often.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 30, 2009, 05:38:09 PM
I didn't say or mean that you got your information from a web site! I didn't either. But a lot of people think it cheaper to get all their information from the web. That isn't always a reliable resource for everyone's situation. I'm so sorry you lost a friend in '76. We took many ambulance calls for people who skipped the shot, got the flu and ended up with severe respiratory infections. They needed oxygen to breathe and were too weak to stand, let alone walk to a car. Every one I had said they had no idea it would be that bad. I guess not everyone develops the same level of illness when they get any kind of "flu."
Yeah i realize that not everyone gets the same. My mom got it and was pretty sick but wasn't hospitalized.
The problem i think with vaccines is there are too many vaccines that are absolutely unnecessary. One of which is chicken pox. I had the MMR shot as a kid yet i still got mumps and measles so did my sister. I never had a chicken pox vaccine and have never had chicken pox either.
Heck now their saying that it is not recommended giving the hepb vaccine to babies when their born, and all those babies they gave it to who knows what will happen to them. But the hospitals are still pushing that vaccine like your the worlds worst parent if youdon't get it for your child.
Then you have the problem with them giving infants vaccines when they have no immune system.
Thats the worst thing anyone can do is to inject live modified anything into a infant all at the same time. Wait a year or so let hem build a immune system and then give one vaccine at a time instead of multiple ones. Let their bodies fight off each one and recover first.
Glenn Beck posed this question to his listeners the other day, "If gov't agents showed up at your house and said either take the shot or be quarantined either in your home or at a federal institution, either take the shot or get on the bus. What would you do?"
Varmit; What did they say? What was the majority opinion?
I heard on the news the other night that they said the H1N1 shot is made the same way the flu shot is. I don't think that means there are any high amounts of dangerous products in them. My OB doctor highly recommended me getting the regular flu shot (2 weeks away from delivery), and since Mercury is VERY dangerous to unborn children, I don't think she'd recommend something that would harm me or my baby. I did ask her about getting the H1N1 shot, and she said it wouldn't be available until after the baby is born, so she wasn't too concerned with it.
I know someone said it on here earlier (I think), that they're not even testing for H1N1 anymore, so what does it matter? Plus, even with the regular flu shot, you might still get the flu anyway. I think it's good preventative action (regular flu shot), especially for high-risk people. I guess the next question you could ask is... what is the lesser of 2 evils... getting the flu shot or taking OTC meds in excess to get rid of the flu?
I think my biggest gripe about people and the flu... any type... is that if you're SICK... STAY HOME! There'd be a lot less flu problems and a lot less new strains if people followed that simple advice. (Then the gov't wouldn't have to round you up and quarantine you!)
Don't stay home. Hey, Hey, Hey....I don't go around telling people not to id their cattle....A good flu is a good thing. A nice sneeze among friends is a bonding experience. It takes a sneeze to make a pandemic, but a pandemic makes a entire fleet of truck payments.
Get out of here, Pep. Just because you introduce your wife as the "drug dealer", doesn't make you the expert on flu. :P
I'm sure there are many other ills that your wife deals drugs for that will keep the truck fleet financed. Next you know, you'll be promoting UNsafe sex so that she gets a hit on selling pre-natal vitamins... :-X ;D
Ok, after all the discussion, I've read everything I could get my hands on about the swine flu vaccine and talked to a lot of people. Apparently the main concern is about the nasal mist form of the vaccine that will be coming out early. Apparently it will be a live virus form, rather than the dead virus that the injection will be. I'd be very concerned about the live virus form unless a doctor said someone needed it for some reason. I will not take the live virus but will take the injection, mainly because I've had pneumonia several times and tend to get secondary infections. Please decide with your Doctor, not Glen Beck or anyone else who has a time slot to fill.
Since Ted was immuno suppressed, his doctors did not want him to be around anyone who had taken the nasal mist immunization. However I understand that certain people who have egg allergies do well with the nasal mist. Now this is the regular flu shot, and may not apply with the H1N1 immunization. It makes me wonder how safe it is to be around the folks who receive the nasal mist for H1N1? How long do they shed live virus?
That is a good question. I don't know, but I will try to find out.
Quote from: Tobina+1 on October 02, 2009, 02:32:22 PM
Varmit; What did they say? What was the majority opinion?
Most said that they wouldn't take it. For lots of different reasons, the most common were that the vaccine was too new and untested, that it contained unsafe products (mercury and such), and some said that it was a matter of principle. They believed that the gov't has no right to force a person to take an immunization.
Personally, I wouldn't go with either option. I will not take the swine flu or any other flu shot. And I will not be quarantined in my home or any other place. If the gov't does do something this stupid then they had better make themselves a vaccine for lead and steel. Because that is exactly what they will be getting if they try to drag me and my family from our home, or keep us locked up in it.
I've been told there will be Thimerosol free vaccines available. Ask your Doctor.
In 2005-2006 flu season I got my son who was then 6 months old the flu shot. Because of his age he could only get 1/2 of it at a time and when it came time to get the 2nd half they were out but said that the part he got would still offer the same protection. That was the year that they had a few babies die from the flu. I woke up at 3am to my crying baby who was running 104 temperature and rushed him to the hospital. He tested positive for influenza A. I stayed up with him for a week strait fighting the fever and just trying to make my baby feel better. My husband who had also gotten a flu shot and had the flu a week later. I did not get anything and did not get the flu. I think its kind of like flipping a coin to see if you are going to get the flu or not. I have never had my children get a flu shot again because I feel if they are going to get it anyhow then I am not going to subject them to a needle unnessesarily. I know that everbody is different and reacts differently but this was my experience and we will not be getting the H1N1 vaccine either.
On a side not there is a teacher in Emporia who had one of her students who wasn't feeling well. She asked what was wrong and the student replied " I think I have the H2O flu!" LOL
Cute! ;D
Quote from: Varmit on October 02, 2009, 09:41:46 PM
Quote from: Tobina+1 on October 02, 2009, 02:32:22 PM
Varmit; What did they say? What was the majority opinion?
Most said that they wouldn't take it. For lots of different reasons, the most common were that the vaccine was too new and untested, that it contained unsafe products (mercury and such), and some said that it was a matter of principle. They believed that the gov't has no right to force a person to take an immunization.
Personally, I wouldn't go with either option. I will not take the swine flu or any other flu shot. And I will not be quarantined in my home or any other place. If the gov't does do something this stupid then they had better make themselves a vaccine for lead and steel. Because that is exactly what they will be getting if they try to drag me and my family from our home, or keep us locked up in it.
Thanks for the info. I agree; the government shouldn't force a vaccine on anyone. I did get the normal flu shot, and it was my option (at my doctor's recommendation). I don't think I'll take the H1N1 shot; still too new to know much about it. The nasal spray was not an option for me; my doctor said I needed the killed vaccine since I was pregnant, as well as people who would be spending a lot of time around the baby. Like a lot of people have already stated; the flu shot isn't a guaranteed prevention... just "may" help you keep the most common types away this season.
I think Steve also had a good point earlier (sorry if it wasn't him; not scrolling back through to know who said it for sure)... natural exposure is the best. But I also think it's good that modern science has given us vaccinations for certain diseases, and also for those who are less able to fight them off naurally.
Where did this business of the Gov'nt forcing people to take the vaccine come from? I have heard nothing of that.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 05, 2009, 10:09:12 AM
Where did this business of the Gov'nt forcing people to take the vaccine come from? I have heard nothing of that.
I think there have been some proposals to force it upon the public and force quarantines on those who get swine flu. The simple fact is they can try and quarantine all they want but its not going to stop it nor slow it down. By the time you show symptoms you have already spread it to untold number of people out there.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 05, 2009, 10:09:12 AM
Where did this business of the Gov'nt forcing people to take the vaccine come from? I have heard nothing of that.
New York wanted to "force" 500,000 healthcare and gov't workers to take it. Beck asked the question of his listeners.
I have read that unvaccinated health care workers will be required to wear masks, nothing about forcing anyone to take vaccine.
We already have good hand washing habits here and lots of hand sanitizer available, and use universal precautions with coughing patients anyway. I'll see what gets updated and reported Friday night. I checked on NY, and you are right, they do want to make it mandatory, but I don't think they can.
Good news! I went to see Dr. today, and did not hear even one cough or sneeze while I was there. In fact, the place was nearly deserted, didn't look to be any of those crammed in the cracks appointments they do when everybody is sick. I commented on the fact to my favorite tech, and she said they seemed to be in a lull at the moment. Shirley Black even stopped by for a little visit. I do hope that this pandemic does not materialize in the way that has been envisioned, or that it will be terminated early with the precausions that have been taken.
I talked to my sister yesterday, and she is due to have a baby in April. She said that her OB told her to get the H1N1 flu shot. She's a little uncertain about it.
At the El Dorado hospital, they now have signs up all over telling people to NOT visit patients if they are not feeling well(themselves are sick, not the patients, duh). The sign said that if you MUST visit someone and you are ill, then to please ask for a mask. Also, it says that children under 12 are discouraged from visiting patients.
I really had no opinion on this until today. I went for my monthly shot to control any recurrence of my carcinoma that was removed last year. This Doctor is a wonderful lady and very smart and very open and very honest. After going over my blood tests with me, she asked if I wanted my flu shot. I replied that the pulmonary Doctor had told me I was to be sure and get the swine flu shot when it was available. And, she said-------------------The flu shot that you get every year does not affect the swine flu and the swine flu shot does not do anything for the regular flu. She wants me to get both and proceeded to give me my flu shot. And, I will get the swine flu shot when it is available.
Just passing along the info I go today.
Larryj
Yup, that's what our Docs are saying too. Got my regular flu shot on Sept. 20. and plan to get the swine flu shot in a few weeks.
I was a patient at the e.r. a couple of weeks ago and they made me wear a mask until they got my bloodwork back as I was exibiting flu symptoms. They are being very cautious and weve had several college students come down with H1N1. A friend of mine who is pregnant just got out of the hospital because she had H1N1. My sons school also sent home a letter stating that they were going to take temperatures at the doors and send anybody home exibiting ANY symptoms of illness. They also mentioned closing school if they had a certain number of students and teachers with flu. I sure hope they don't have to because that means more time at daycare.
I don't do flu shots...but I'm pretty well away from people, only go to the big town every couple of weeks, got my hand sanitzer and I think I'm good.
well i have been around some folks that got the swineflu and haven't gotten sick from it so i suppose i have some immunity to it. can't worry bout it anyway. Can't stop it from happening.
You can actually do a lot. Natural immunity does help, but so does lots of hand washing and using alcohol hand sanitizer. Keep your hands away from your face. Use the hand sanitizer after holding menus, mail, commercial building and bathroom door handles and library books . At your Docs office and dental office too of course. Even poking around bins in a hard ware store or grocery store can expose a person to germs. If some one you know does have it, keep your distance and they and you should wear a mask. It's back here again too and some schools are having the teachers give the kids a squirt of hand sanitizer after recess, art, music, library and gym where they may be sharing equipment, music sheets, etc. So far so good. Our stores have alcohol wet wipes at the front door and on the check out counter. I carry mine with me and have for many years.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 07, 2009, 09:23:18 AM
You can actually do a lot. Natural immunity does help, but so does lots of hand washing and using alcohol hand sanitizer. Keep your hands away from your face. Use the hand sanitizer after holding menus, mail, commercial building and bathroom door handles and library books . At your Docs office and dental office too of course. Even poking around bins in a hard ware store or grocery store can expose a person to germs. If some one you know does have it, keep your distance and they and you should wear a mask. It's back here again too and some schools are having the teachers give the kids a squirt of hand sanitizer after recess, art, music, library and gym where they may be sharing equipment, music sheets, etc. So far so good. Our stores have alcohol wet wipes at the front door and on the check out counter. I carry mine with me and have for many years.
I think that sometimes we sanitize too much you know. Anti bacterial this that and the other and what it really does is leave us vulnerable to a lot of sickness. I am not saying don't wash your hands, just that sometimes getting sick is the way to keep healthy in the long run.
I don't get sick often from things like flu but when i do i get sick and then its over.
Now as far as using hand sanitizer, i am one who uses it after i handle raw chicken and raw foods. I wash with soap n water or dish soap and water and then dry and shoot a shot of hand sanitizer on my hands to kill any bacteria. But doing it everytime i touch something isn't possible. Besides, one thing most people don't do is wash after handling money. Money is probably the biggest source of contamination you can get since you carry the germs with you when you make change.
:) :) never taken a flu shot, never intend to. I have my soap and water, my hand sanitizer and I TAKE MY ELDERBERRY CONCENTRATE EVERY MORNING.
Elderberry "stuff" is very good served in a stemmed goblet. lol That is how I take mine. :-*
Just made an appt because my son has flu symptoms. The appt. lady told me to ask for a mask when I come in and he has to wear it while were in the clinic. Should be fun!!! NOT
Quote from: Jo McDonald on October 07, 2009, 11:25:42 AM
Elderberry "stuff" is very good served in a stemmed goblet. lol That is how I take mine. :-*
Jo, I have some I serve in a stemmed goblet also. It's called "elderberry wine". ;D :angel:
Saw on the news last night that KS received our first shipment of H1N1 vaccines. Franklin and Saline counties, I think.
My parents had to go to the neighboring county health dept to get their regular flu shots, b/c their hospital, clinic, and health dept were out.
I think as soon as the all shipments make it to Kansas Sebelius will be nominated for a Nobel Peace prize in medicine!
Yes we can!
My son was fine yesterday at school and when he got off the bus at home he was sick. High fever, cough and aches. I took him to the doctor this afternoon and he tested positive for influenza A. Our doctor said he PROBABLY had H1N1 but he would only be tested for it if he ends up in the hospital. The doctors office was packed with kids around his age getting swabbed for flu. I'm crossing my fingers that the baby doesn't get it because doc said its protocol that since shes so young she goes in the hospital.
Aw, I so sorry. It is rearing it's head again and may spread very quickly. I hope your son's case isn't too severe.