Obama, Holder and company are the latest crop of anti-American sympathizers. They have embraced the theistic resentment of Muslims, while swallowing the communist manifesto hook, line, sinker, jot and tittle. They have become sympathizers to those who hate America.
-Mychal Massie
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=109140
QuoteThey're not upset that evil swine masquerading as civilized human culture, following an even more malevolent paper god, have murdered and are murdering their own family members to satisfy their pagan deity's honor (read: blood lust).
I read it...most of it is SSDD...but I've never heard THIS one before :P who or what is he referencing here? Seriously...
I don't like "hate politics" at any level. Everybody loses on all sides.
Red, don't take this the wrong way, but I think that is one of the better articles you have posted. Mychall Massie hit that one center mass.
Pam, he is referencing that obama and company are not upset that islamic terrorists, who follow a preverted teaching of mohammad and are governed by shira law, which gives authority for its followers to conduct "honor" killings, which are most commonly carried out against women whom they feel have dishonored their family through infidelity or promsicuity.
I figured that was what he meant but I still don't get where the pagan connection comes from.
Quote from: pamsback on September 10, 2009, 06:11:27 AM
I figured that was what he meant but I still don't get where the pagan connection comes from.
Allah is the moon god. It is a pagan belief
Since Allah was worshipped prior to muslim religion being created, and since it did not come from christian nor judaic beliefs, then it would be a pagan religion.
According to Middle East scholar E.M. Wherry, whose translation of the Quran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Ba-al, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars
Dude I know all that but most Muslims I've seen consider Allah to mean the God of the Old Testament.
Quote from: pamsback on September 10, 2009, 06:29:42 AM
Dude I know all that but most Muslims I've seen consider Allah to mean the God of the Old Testament.
Their mislead. God of the old testament is El. 'elohiym is the name used in the hebrew language, but el is the root name. El was used by the ones of old long before Abraham. Its meaning indicates he is the God of gods and mighty and all powerful.
Islam came 600 years after christ, and 4600 years after God created the earth. It was comprised up of many different religions borrowing from texts dating back to abraham, but it pulled heavily from king nebuchadnezzers reign and the religions of ba-al when it created allah. This is because the arabic people are of the same lineage as the jews.
Ok I'm gonna go out on a limb here and open myself up to some serious shots but so be it......I've done little studyin myself .
I have been researchin celtic pagan traditions for a while now and as a result have come across others. I research such things because they interest me. Why people believe the things they do interests me. The traditions I have come across respected and treated women as EQUALS, in fact most of them were matriarchal societies where women "owned" the property and gave the final advice on counsel. Family lines were through the MOTHERS family and women were respected as the bringers of the GOOD things in life. They were NOT property or subject to the whims of a mans "honor". It wasn't until the "christian" traditions started invading them that women were reduced to the property and bringers of "original" sin. So to say the practices of Islam makes it a "pagan" tradition is not true. It may be a PERVERTED version of some tradition or other but that's it.
Pam, I don't know what is your reading source, but it doesn't sound like anything that a Christian would authorize or stand. If I recall, you've posted from the Dalai lama and Budda and these guys have no real god and theirs doesn't even exist.
I Kings 18
And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
John 10: 26-30
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I and my Father are one.
Srkruzich is right about the pagan belief.
Red.....somehow I just knew you would be the first one LOL. Wisdom is wisdom no matter where it comes from. I do not base my relationship with God on whether anybody else thinks it's right or not and I never will. My relationship is just that...my relationship. :)
This discussion is about whether or not Islam is basically a perversion of christianity or judiasm or pagan. According to my research on paganism it is a perversion of christianity and judiasm.
It would be impossible for a liberal or socialist to agree with most
of this Mychal Massie column for sure.
Diane, it's no surprise to see you comment about "hate", but just
wondering where you see the so-called "hate" in thiis one?
Quote from: pamsback on September 10, 2009, 08:36:02 AM
Red.....somehow I just knew you would be the first one LOL. Wisdom is wisdom no matter where it comes from. I do not base my relationship with God on whether anybody else thinks it's right or not and I never will. My relationship is just that...my relationship. :)
This discussion is about whether or not Islam is basically a perversion of christianity or judiasm or pagan. According to my research on paganism it is a perversion of christianity and judiasm.
Perverted definately so as it "borrows" from both religions but it is also pagan as it worships a god that is symbolized by the moon. One of the main characteristics of pagan beliefs is the worshipping of creation instead of the creator.
QuoteIt would be impossible for a liberal or socialist to agree with most
of this Mychal Massie column for sure.
LOL, naturally (that's sarcasm in case you don't get it) That seems to be your fall-back position bud.
"If they don't agree with me they are either liberal or socialist" :P Get real.
Quote from: srkruzich on September 10, 2009, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: pamsback on September 10, 2009, 08:36:02 AM
Red.....somehow I just knew you would be the first one LOL. Wisdom is wisdom no matter where it comes from. I do not base my relationship with God on whether anybody else thinks it's right or not and I never will. My relationship is just that...my relationship. :)
This discussion is about whether or not Islam is basically a perversion of christianity or judiasm or pagan. According to my research on paganism it is a perversion of christianity and judiasm.
Perverted definately so as it "borrows" from both religions but it is also pagan as it worships a god that is symbolized by the moon. One of the main characteristics of pagan beliefs is the worshipping of creation instead of the creator.
Most of what I've seen paganism reveres creation as EVIDENCE of the Creator. They see that reverance AS worship of the Creator.
Pam, it was Massie's "pagan" statement that caught your attention.
I agree with him.
That's your perogative. I don't. I think it is an insult to ANY spiritual tradition to compare them to the kind of Islam we talked about here in ANY way shape or form.
The pagan comparison caught my attention because I did'nt see ANY connection to any tradition I know of. I've pretty much figured out you are a fundamental version of a Christian dude and I don't care. YOUR relationship is just that YOUR relationship and I do not judge you on it. If it makes you feel more special to judge mine knock yourself out!
I don't agree with this guy because he is not my idea of a good example to follow.
I'm really enjoyin this but I have things I got to go do LOL. I'll be back later tho so carry on..and have a nice afternoon :)
Quote from: pamsback on September 10, 2009, 08:53:20 AM
QuoteIt would be impossible for a liberal or socialist to agree with most
of this Mychal Massie column for sure.
LOL, naturally (that's sarcasm in case you don't get it) That seems to be your fall-back position bud.
"If they don't agree with me they are either liberal or socialist" :P Get real.
Quote from: srkruzich on September 10, 2009, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: pamsback on September 10, 2009, 08:36:02 AM
Red.....somehow I just knew you would be the first one LOL. Wisdom is wisdom no matter where it comes from. I do not base my relationship with God on whether anybody else thinks it's right or not and I never will. My relationship is just that...my relationship. :)
This discussion is about whether or not Islam is basically a perversion of christianity or judiasm or pagan. According to my research on paganism it is a perversion of christianity and judiasm.
Perverted definately so as it "borrows" from both religions but it is also pagan as it worships a god that is symbolized by the moon. One of the main characteristics of pagan beliefs is the worshipping of creation instead of the creator.
Most of what I've seen paganism reveres creation as EVIDENCE of the Creator. They see that reverance AS worship of the Creator.
Why would anyone revere or worship the creation and not the creator? The creation is temporary.
Red, if you are talking about Mychal Massie, the man has hate leaking out of every pore. He writes in a very venomous style that I am not comfortable with. I have a hard time even agreeing with some points I would agree with, if not for his dark, dank writing style. Not so much what he said, but how he said it. His article really turned me off.
Seriously?? Paganism, chirstianty, judiasm, islam, ALL of these have elements of the other in the way they are practiced. Pagans worship trees, christians put up a christmas tree, jews have the star of david, a star goes atop the christmas tree, when do stars come out?? same time as the moon.
Does it really matter?? I mean in the end we will all know the answer, and if we listen closely, our hearts will be given the answer.
I could keep this goin but figure it's essentially useless. That's one thing I have discovered in my quest for insight into why people choose the traditions they do whether it be Christian, Jew, Muslim, Pagan or somthin else. People follow what speaks to their inner person, some are just a LOT uglier inside than others and misconceptions abound about ALL traditions in the people who don't follow them.
Quote from: pamsback on September 11, 2009, 06:59:42 AM
That's one thing I have discovered in my quest for insight into why people choose the traditions they do whether it be Christian, Jew, Muslim, Pagan or somthin else. People follow what speaks to their inner person, some are just a LOT uglier inside than others and misconceptions abound about ALL traditions in the people who don't follow them.
Give the lady named Pam a day off with full pay... and I will even pay for your dinner... :)
DANG!!!!! Wish I woulda read this last night!! I'm thinkin it woulda been steak?! LOL