Just a little something I thought I'd share...
From high above Times Square, this is the third most listened to show in all of America. Hello, you sick twisted freak. I want to take another look with some new audio now that I swear to you I cannot believe that there is no one in this country that is willing to take on this audio, that is willing to ask the tough questions. I cannot believe that I am alone. I know you are there, too. You must feel the same way. Where is everyone? I want you to hear some new audio from the green jobs czar, specific adviser to the president for green jobs, or whatever they want to call him. What I want you to do is give me ten minutes. I need you to take a good hard look at who Van Jones is. I told you, well, for the last couple of months that this guy is an avowed, self avowed radical revolutionary communist.
More of story and video....
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/29967/ (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/29967/)
Glenn Beck Rocks!!
I opened the link, and upon seeing that it was glenn back, rolled my eyes and chuckled to myself. Then i saw something interesting. a big headline that said Sarah Palin Bikini pictures. I went to that, and sadly i was dissappointed yet again. Why is Glen Beck writing about Sarah Palin in a Bikini and why are articles more than a year old still appearing under his top stories? oh right, he's not a journalist, just an entertainer.
Just a few thoughts...
1. You didn't need to open the link to see that it was glenn beck. The link is clearly labeled glennbeck.com.
2. Did you read the article on Van Jones?
3. The Sarah Palin Bikini Pictures is not a "big headline". It is a link to a piece he did about searches people were conducting at time it was announced that she would be running for Vice President. It also goes into why the Left attacked her the way they did and still do.
4. You're right, he is not a journalist, he's a commentator. Thats his job.
And the most important point I'd like to address
5. Why is it that the Left/center, when faced with evidence against them, will try and change the subject, or shift focus to someone else?
Nope, didnt even read it, don't need to read it. Beck is a liar and has no cred, why would i bother?
What exactly did Beck lie about?
Glen Beck is an idiot. He's trying to play on fear like it's a two dollar guitar.
QuoteAll we do is take out the dirty power system, the dirty power generation in a system and just replace it with some clean stuff, put a solar panel on top of this system. We don't deal with how we are consuming water, we don't deal with how we're treating our other sister and other brothers' species, we don't deal with toxins, we don't deal with the way we treat each other, if that's not a part of this movement, let me tell you what you'll have. This is all you'll have. You'll have solar powered bulldozers, solar powered buzz saws, and biofuel bombers and we'll be fighting wars over lithium for the batteries instead of oil for the engines and we'll still have a dead planet. This movement is deeper than a solar panel, deeper than a solar panel. Don't stop there. Don't stop there. No, we're going to change the whole system. ~ Jones
The changes in our energy DO need to go WAY deeper than a sloar panel here and there. We DO need to deal with toxins, the way we treat each other, AND the planet.
QuoteVAN JONES: And our Native American sisters and brothers who were pushed and bullied and mistreated and shoved into all the land we didn't want, where it was all hot and windy, well, guess what, renewable energy. Guess what, solar industry. Guess what, wind industry. They now own and control 80% of the renewable energy resources. No more broken treaties. No more broken treaties. Give them the wealth. Give them the wealth. Give them the dignity. Give them the respect that they deserve. No justice on stolen land. We owe them a debt.
Truth
QuoteWhat about people who come here from all around the world, who we're willing to have out in the fields with poison being sprayed on them, poison being sprayed on them because we have the wrong agricultural system and then we're and we're willing to poison them and poison the Earth to put food on our table but we don't want to give them rights and we don't want to give them dignity and we don't want to give them respect?
Corporate farms, genetically engineered food, heavy use of chemicals and pesticides, growth hormones, antibiotics.......Organic is the only way that's not dead. Would YOU pick fruit and vegetables after they've been sprayed with some of the toxic chemicals that are used?
The Tuskeegee thing, the reference to Manifest Destiny, more than a grain of truth there too.
You know.. I'm so much happier when I stay the heck out of this forum..
But here I am ... really wanting to delete this whole post I have written.. but yet wanting to say it too..
So.................
Glen Beck is not an idiot!..nor is he considered and "entertainer".. far far from it..
He is extremely intelligent.. his ratings more than prove that.
He nails the truth right square on the head so much that the left is about to crap all over themselves..
including the idiot we have in the White House.. He would love to shut up Beck and Hannity and the people who aren't actually afraid to speak the truth! Oh I forgot.. he and his Nazi regime are trying to do exactly that.. Shut the truth seekers up! :police: Wonder why?
Glen Beck is the TOP show listened to.. and People ARE listening and they ARE finally waking up and seeing whats actually going on. Anyway those that are really interested in facing what the REAL truth is where our government is concerned.
((I have to take a big deep breath here))
Anmar ..I don't know what your silly game is..and I don't care... its people like you who.......................................
sighhhhhhhhhhhhh.............
You know what? ? I'm not even going to waste my breath.. You will never get it.. it wouldn't matter if Jesus told you himself what a destroyer of America Obama is.. you wouldn't believe it! You would twist it until it suited your Liberal purpose. So you can spout off your fabrications and BS all you want.. I for one will not be reading it anymore...Its one thing to talk to an opposing difference of thoughts...That's refreshing... but you just are off the chart...
It's like trying to talk to a deaf blind mute...give you facts and you blink 3 times like you never heard it and come back with something so twisted its almost pathetic! Show you black and you would say its white..
(It's impossible to converse and exhausting to boot. Reminds me of my ex husband who I was married to for only a year) ::) The more you talked facts with him..the more he gave you that smug smirk ..right before he gave you this off the wall lie that was a direct opposite of what was going on...when the truth was right there!
Its creepy really ...
but honestly for the life of me , I don't realize how people can not see what is going on? Is there really that many people who love the taste of the governments Kool-aid that they refuse to quit drinking it? You really can't see what is happening to our country in the short time since this administration?
But fair is fair.. Its an open site.....open to the public of any nationality..any color.. any sex.. so you're in girl. fill the page up with your fantasy's.......
..... If everyone else wants to try to beat their head against the wall to converse with you.. have at it.. You can post whatever you want to in here as much as you want.. That's your prerogative.. just as its mine to totally ignore you.
Enjoy your time in the forum.. :)
Pam, how is telling the truth playing on fear?
As far as our enegry policies go, you're right, we do need to find alternative sources. However, this adminstration refuses to allow us to to do that. Until viable alternatives can be found we should utilize what resources we have such as coal and oil. Not only would this provide much needed jobs and economic boost but it would also cut our dependence on foregin resources. But no, we can't do that because its harming the enviroment with those evil greenhouse gasses. Even though scientist can't seem to agree on the global warming issue we are going to try and pass a Cap & Trade bill. Which by the way, according to the president himself, will cause electricty rates to skyrocket. Given that we are trying to pass a healthcare bill based on the idea that people can't afford to buy insurance, what makes him think that they will be able to pay $100 or more a month additionally for electricty? Maybe we will just have to nationalize that as well.
Just curious, when was the last time we drove "natives" off their land? Owe them a debt?? I don't think so. No one is forcing them to live on reservations. No one is saying that they can't still hold their traditions. Well, actually that is not true. Our Constitution did away with slavery and gave women the "right " to vote and such. Maybe we should take on more of the Native traditions, afterall, I'm sure that their are husbands out there that would love to notch the nose of unfaithful wives. Espcially the husbands that BOUGHT those wives witha few ponies and a beverskin.
Organics the only way thats not dead?? Get serious. Non-organic farming has fed more of the worlds hungry population than any other means. I know...I know...we should have let millions of people starve to death in the interest of saving the planet. I mean, lets just forget the fact that those evil insecticides have been used to control mosquitoes that carry diseases like malaria and west nile, have drastically cut populations of boll weveals thus increasing plant yield. By the way, YES I would not only pick fruits and vegtables that have been sprayed with chemicals, but I would also wash and eat them.
You know what........ I don't know if you meant Anmar or me cause I'm the one that actually posted an answer.
I think Beck is a turd stirrer who gets ratings playing on peoples fears. Personally I don't listen to ANY shows like his, they are personal opinions not the gospel and subject to the bias of the person giving them. Kinda like this forum.......
Billy, try to find a treaty made that was honored by the government. I'm not going to argue with you about this. When and IF you find one compare it against the number that WEREN'T. My native ancestors may have done those things, my white ancestors used to consider THEIR wives property to be beaten, mistreated and done with as they please also....so what makes one worse than the other? One gave ponies ,whatever for his wife...the OTHER had to be paid by the brides family to TAKE her it was called a dowry and if she didn't have one she was screwed.What makes one worse than the other? Give me a break..that was a lame comment.
As for dead food.......try eatin homegrown organic which I'm SURE there is plenty of around there and then go buy yourself a tomato from the store. Which one tastes more "alive"?
Nowhere in anything I wrote did I make reference to "global warming" I'm talking about POLLUTION which is a PROVEN thing. Chemicals, mining waste and a whole HOST of other things can and DO pollute the land AND the water...even if it happened years ago it's STILL in the dirt..take Picher Ok. and Treece, Ks as examples of that...Granby Mo. and many OTHER places. I get tired of people who immediately trot out "oh global warming" is a myth as an answer to ANY mention of pollution. Maybe it is maybe it isn't...either way it ain't gonna affect anything for a hundred years or so.....the pollution I"M talkin about is affecting YOU ,YOUR KIDS and will affect your GRANDKIDS
Just because somebody you DON'T like says something that's true does NOT make it any less true. If Beck said somthin that was true I'd admit it and listen to it.
I don't CARE if anybody likes what I say and I'm not spoutin off about my "free speech" rights. I'm not gonna go along and give lip service to things I don't believe just to get along with people.
I could keep goin but the sayin "there are none so blind as them that won't see" goes BOTH ways.
Lol teresa,
In the same paragraph, you call me deaf and blind to facts yet you also to not reading the posts and facts of others. Also, the day i see a fact fro you is the day that i take anything you have to say seriously. The fact that you still call me a liberal is only representative of your lack of ability to follow the debates and discussions on these forums.
I will correct you by saying that there is no lack of ability in any area where my wife is concerned.
The least being debates and discussions on this small forum.
:)
Quote from: Kjell H. on September 02, 2009, 03:18:09 PM
I will correct you by saying that there is no lack of ability in any area where my wife is concerned.
The least being debates and discussions on this small forum.
:)
I'll second THAT motion!
Pam, I respect what you are saying about treaties and the abuses wrought by both sides, and to a point I agree. But I think that you missed the point I was trying to make. So let me go about it another way. You used the quote of van jones when he was talking about how we as a society should give native americans the respect they are due, and how they now own 80% of our renewable resources, and how we owe them a debt. Your response to this was Truth. I guess my question is, how do we owe the natives of today a debt? How do we disrespect them? Why should americans today have to pay for the mistakes that happened before we were born? I mean, if we owe them something for stealing their land, then don't they owe each other a debt for the same thing?
As for the organic vs. Non-organic, taste is a matter of perception. When it comes to chemicals and pesticides, to label them all as bad or blame them for pollution is a false premise. Without large corprate farms, the use of chemicals such as DDT, and insect resistant crops, our farmers would not have been able to accomplish as much as they have. American Farmers have fed more of the worlds hungry than any other country on the planet.
Billy I DO see your point on the debts owed to the natives on one hand but on the OTHER hand I see how the fact that they DO own 80% of the renewable resources is karmic justice! To say people do not disrespect natives today is not true, natives ARE disrespected every day in this country because of who and what they are...just because it's not happenin right in your backyard so to speak doesn't change the fact it happens. It happens to ALL races really because mankind has forgotten how to treat each other with respect. One race thinks they are better than another one, one race will say they are more evolved than another one....the truth is we are still all basically cavemen fightin over our rocks.
All the tribes had their territories and their aliances, they did not pin each other up on a desolate good for nothin SMALL piece of property and forbid them to leave or hunt or speak their language or practice their traditions. White America did that, then said oh we will pay you x amount of dollars for what we took and then never paid it. You all are always sayin how you would NEVER allow somebody to make you stay somewhere or keep you prisoner and take your freedom away and then SOMEtimes you make snide remarks about how they had it comin and should've been grateful for what they got. I'm NOT tryin to start an argument here Dude, I'm trying to make a poin t....don't know if I'm gettin it done or not or if it's already got lost in the translation so to speak.
The organic vs chemical debate is a whole nother subject and my fingers are tired LOL. You don't want to get me started on things like DDT anyway :P But I probly will another time LOL
I'll be back later....daughter thinks I'm cuttin into HER time LOL
I guess I am confused about the 80%. Solar panels and wind turbines can be used just about anywhere. Not just on indian land. For example, my neighbor down the street has a couple of small wind turbines set up in his yard. He claims that they cut his electric bill almost in half (wether that is accurate, I don't know) and there is a house on main st. that has 4 of them on the roof. The technology for such systems is getting better everyday. I think that by setting up large wind or solar farms on indian land just so we can stop the use of coal and make a "debt payment" to one racial group or another would do more damage than good. You make a very good point on the race issue. However, I feel that if we are to solve this problem then we have to stop with programs designed to seperate us on a racial level.
I do make snide remarks at times, I won't deny it. I think that freedom is something you have to be willing to die to protect. As a father and husband I would rather see myself and my family killed in defense of freedom than to have to live without it.
Quote from: Anmar on September 01, 2009, 09:01:57 PM
Nope, didnt even read it, don't need to read it. Beck is a liar and has no cred, why would i bother?
Quote from: Anmar on September 02, 2009, 11:14:27 AM
Lol teresa,
In the same paragraph, you call me deaf and blind to facts yet you also to not reading the posts and facts of others. Also, the day i see a fact fro you is the day that i take anything you have to say seriously. The fact that you still call me a liberal is only representative of your lack of ability to follow the debates and discussions on these forums.
Speaking of facts, you still haven't answered my question, you said that Beck lied, what facts do you have to support your claim? Also, for someone who has no "cred" he has, according to amazon.com, the New York Times, and USA Today, one of the bestselling books in the nation. Oh, and one more little fact, he also has one of the largest radio and television ratings in the country.
That's true about the wind turbines but I think they are sayin that because of amounts of open prairie and desert that belong to the various tribes and that the government is gonna have to pay to use.
Lol Jimmy Erwin built his own wind generator from scrap there in Severy like 20 years ago and people laughed at him for it. It's really not that hard to build your own personal one.
Millions of them DID die tryin to keep their freedom. Their freedom to remain NDN....they penned em up but they never did make them white and the traditions are alive and well :) We have to allow each other to have our traditions and customs, our differences...the trouble comes when we try to hammer square pegs into round holes so to speak. Different is not dangerous..it's actually what makes us interesting.
Ok. I see what you are saying about the land. However, aren't most electric companies under non-governmental ownership? And if they are private firms then why is jones going on about "give them the wealth" unless his goal is for government to take over the utility business?
I have nothing against people keeping ethnic traditions. What gets under my skin is the way we have hyphenated our country. I mean, we have african-americans, native-americans, mexican-american, white-amerian and the list goes on and on. Whatever happened to just being American? If we are going to end racism then we have put away the idea that one group should get special treatment over another based on racial differences.
Maybe he means the same as I do, it's just karma and about time. I can't read the dudes mind no more than I can read anybody elses. If 100 people listen to the same speech they are going to have 100 different perceptions of what whoever was giving it "meant" or "thinks". I don't think he has designs on the utlity companies...utility and energy companies are some of the most powerful in the nation and I don't see the government gettin very far with takin em over, specially with all the energy co-ops. Private companies are STILL gonna have to pay for leases on the reservations, federal involvement basically ends at the edge of the rez, then you have to deal with the TRIBAL government.
I have no problem with the hyphen myself, it's just a way for people to identify with something....and too many people don't HAVE any traditions or roots to hold to nowadays. No special treatment, but no superiority either.....people can keep their ethnicity and still be "American" when it counts. The more tradition and roots you have the stabler a human you are goin to be. We don't HAVE to "whitewash" ourselves and all be the same to be able to stand and fight when need be...toGETHER
But that's just MY take on things. I'm fixin to hit the hay, mornin comes pretty early lol
Quote from: Varmit on September 02, 2009, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: Anmar on September 01, 2009, 09:01:57 PM
Nope, didnt even read it, don't need to read it. Beck is a liar and has no cred, why would i bother?
Quote from: Anmar on September 02, 2009, 11:14:27 AM
Lol teresa,
In the same paragraph, you call me deaf and blind to facts yet you also to not reading the posts and facts of others. Also, the day i see a fact fro you is the day that i take anything you have to say seriously. The fact that you still call me a liberal is only representative of your lack of ability to follow the debates and discussions on these forums.
Speaking of facts, you still haven't answered my question, you said that Beck lied, what facts do you have to support your claim? Also, for someone who has no "cred" he has, according to amazon.com, the New York Times, and USA Today, one of the bestselling books in the nation. Oh, and one more little fact, he also has one of the largest radio and television ratings in the country.
I said he's a liar, about a month ago, i showed several videos of Beck lying, and i showed proof. I'm not going to do it again. And having a best selling book doesnt give anyone credibility. Mein Kampf is one of the best selling books of all time. So is the biography of Mohammed. In fact, they trash Beck in sales. So whats your point?
As much as i make fun of Beck, should really be thanking him, because he helped me and some friends make a lot of money, let me tell you how. A few months back, the conservative radio hosts started pushing their listeners to buy gold. They were correct in saying that gold is a good way to store wealth in an economic downturn. What they didn't tell you was that you need to buy the gold when the price is low, just as the economy starts to enter its downward cycle. By the time Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and co started encouraging listeners to buy gold, the market had already peaked. The price of gold started dropping and the smart people were running out of people to sell gold to. So they hired these radio guys to help them advertise and get stupid people to buy gold as the price was falling. My friends and i noticed this trend and we short sold.
Lets analyze this. Who made money? the people who hired Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity made a ton of money. The radio hosts made good money, and some opportunists like me made a few bucks on the side. Where did all this money come from? we took it from people who were stupid enough to take the advice of these radio talk show hosts and bought gold on the way down. Do you think Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck and co knew that they were selling out their audiences? you better believe it.
Ladies and gentlemen, i give you conservative talk radio. It's all about the money.
Oh, i forgot TV ratings. He's not even top 20 in the cable ratings. He's actually not even beating out Sponge Bob.
ANMAR, you seem to have a problem with what is Fact and what is your opinion, you try to make your opinions fact and that totally discredits you. Have you thought about seeking help, surely in California there is some programs that you could turn to.
ELK@KC, you are certainly right about California having programs that would help Anmar. We do have a 12-step program designed to help you actually believe what you think is the truth. It comes with your own personal sponsor available 24/7 to help you in case you begin to think that what you believe may not be necessarily true. If you start having problems, you can call your sponsor and he/she will tell you that what you are thinking to be the truth, is, and not worry about it.
Believe it or not.
Larryj
Anmar, I went back and checked your "facts" about beck lying. I must admit that when you first posted them I didn't watch them. The title of the first video you posted "Glenn Beck agrees US needs another Al Qaeda attack to protect us from immigrants?" is misleading. It is not that he is "hoping" for another attack, he is saying that it will take another major attack for the gov't to consider sealing the borders.
In none of the videos does he advocate the legalization of marijuana. He said that we need to either make it legal or enforce our laws. He was commenting on the differences between Bush (who said he wasn't going to make it legal) and Obama (who said he wasn't going to enforce the law).
As for the "View" controversy, that has been settled. Yes, Glenn was wrong about who introduced themselves first. However, Amtrak DID reserve seats for Walters and Goldberg.
I suggest you check your facts.
As for ratings, according to http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/03/cable-news-ratings-for-wednesday-september-2-2009/26200#more-26200 (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/03/cable-news-ratings-for-wednesday-september-2-2009/26200#more-26200) he was beaten only by Bill O'Reily. This is only a comparison between NEWS programs, not all programs.
And what is your response to his gold selling scheme?
That it is not a scheme at all. Gold, like anything on the market is going to vary on cost and value. It is a sound, safe investment. But you can't accuse him or others of a scheme for advertising a product. Unless of course you are going to call anyone who has ever marketed anything a schemer. But what I don't really understand is why you would accuse him of taking advantage of people to make money when you were doing the same thing.
Just a thought, in jan. this year gold was around $850. an ounce, yesterday (9/3) it was at $991. Guess ya'll weren't the only ones to make money.
Quote from: Varmit on September 04, 2009, 12:56:15 AM
That it is not a scheme at all. Gold, like anything on the market is going to vary on cost and value. It is a sound, safe investment. But you can't accuse him or others of a scheme for advertising a product. Unless of course you are going to call anyone who has ever marketed anything a schemer. But what I don't really understand is why you would accuse him of taking advantage of people to make money when you were doing the same thing.
Just a thought, in jan. this year gold was around $850. an ounce, yesterday (9/3) it was at $991. Guess ya'll weren't the only ones to make money.
Billy, i always thought you the type of person to call a spade a spade. If i post multiple clear cut lies that Glen Beck has told, will you simply label them as "misunderstandings" or will you ever admit that Glen Beck is a liar.
I am the type to call a spade a spade. However, you didn't post anything that showed Beck lying. What you did was post a small segment of Beck and tried to twist it. Much like MSNBC when they showed a man at a healthcare protest with an AR. They did close up shots of the rifle, and then when on to say that the only reason people were protesting was because the president was black. However, when the shot was pulled out, it clearly showed that the guy with the gun was a black man.
As for the gold scheme that you accuse him of...if you look at the prices of gold over the last ten years it has showed a steady increase in value. In Sept. '99 gold was around $300. an ounce, now it is pushing $1000. Yet, you say that Beck, Rush, Hannity, and others are duping people into buying gold. So...with your vast University of Jordan education maybe you could explain something to me. How could investing in a commidity that has tripled in value and continues to show a pattern of growth (espcially since the value of the dollar is dropping, which will drive up the price of gold even more) be considered stupid?
Quote from: Varmit on September 04, 2009, 10:58:32 AM
I am the type to call a spade a spade. However, you didn't post anything that showed Beck lying. What you did was post a small segment of Beck and tried to twist it. Much like MSNBC when they showed a man at a healthcare protest with an AR. They did close up shots of the rifle, and then when on to say that the only reason people were protesting was because the president was black. However, when the shot was pulled out, it clearly showed that the guy with the gun was a black man.
As for the gold scheme that you accuse him of...if you look at the prices of gold over the last ten years it has showed a steady increase in value. In Sept. '99 gold was around $300. an ounce, now it is pushing $1000. Yet, you say that Beck, Rush, Hannity, and others are duping people into buying gold. So...with your vast University of Jordan education maybe you could explain something to me. How could investing in a commidity that has tripled in value and continues to show a pattern of growth (espcially since the value of the dollar is dropping, which will drive up the price of gold even more) be considered stupid?
Lol, first of all, I don't generally argue economics with someone who doesn't understand economics. Second, I went to the university of Jordan for 1 quarter, the rest of my time was spent at Cal at which i majored in Business with options in Corporate Management, Entreprenuership, and Finance. So yes, 1 quarter is vast indeed. Where did you study economics?
Now, if you want to fact check my argument, please look at the 1 year chart. Nobody cares about what happened 10 years ago in terms of commodities trading. Here's the link
http://goldprice.org/gold-price-history.html#1_year_gold_price (http://goldprice.org/gold-price-history.html#1_year_gold_price)
Now you see back in early 2008, when the economy was just starting to tank, the price of gold steadily started to rise. Thats because Gold protects against inflation, yadda yadda. You'll then observe that around march of '08 gold broke the 1000 level and immediatly crashed. This happens because people who had been investing in gold suddenly needed cash for other things and notticed that the price was unusually high. You see, the smart money buys things when they are cheap, and sells when prices are high. At that point in time, the real estate bubble had just burst and there were forclosures everywhere. The stock market was also tanking. Stocks and real estate were cheap, and Gold was high. Naturally, you sell the gold and buy the cheap stuff. So by late 2008, early 2009, the price dropped to below 800. At this point, the people who still haven't sold gold are starting to worry. They came in a little late and they missed out on the 1000 price, so they are hoping that the price will go back up. The problem is, who is going to buy gold when the price is high? Enter your buddies, Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity. They help advertise gold to create excess demand. When there is excess demand, the price rises. Just like oil a few years ago, people went crazy and kept buying, no matter how high the price got. Eventually the bubble bursts when the smart money decides to leave the market. The early movers, who are generally much more sophisticated traders, make all the money while the average joe (the guy who looks at 10 year charts) loses his shirt. You see, the average joe might look at the 10 year chart and say "hey, the price of gold tripled in the last 10 years, it's can't possibly decline in the next few years." To that i say, look at the 30 year chart. You see, back in the late 70's early 80's, the price of gold hit 850. When you adjust for inflation, thats almost double what the price of gold is now. Look at the 2 years after gold reached it's peak, look at how quickly it crashed. Imagine how poorly all the fools did, the ones who thought they were smart and bought gold at 700, thinking it would go back to 850 and beyond. The price didn't reach 700 again for another 27 years.
You say that gold is awesome because it's now pushing 1000. My friend, that is exactly why gold is not awesome. Always remember, if you want to make money, buy low and sell high. These people are trying to get you to buy high. Look what happened the last time gold hit 1000, it fell 300 points in less than a year.
As for MSNBC, i don't watch it much, so i don't know what they said about the guy with the AR15, but i'm sure they twist things also. I'll post Beck's lies in a bit, but remember, when i do, you agreed to call a spade a spade. ;D
Anmar, check your history facts. Beck and others were advertising for gold before late 2008. The problem with your analysis is how you base it. Simply put, the price of gold rises and falls depending on the economy. When the economy is good, the price of gold goes down, when the economy is bad gold goes up. Considering, the national debt, the push to get out of the dollar, the continued drop of the economy, gold is a good bet. Using your chart, a year ago gold was at 850 (low when compared to today) pushing 1000 and projected to go higher. So, the "fools" who listened to Beck, Rush, and bought gold a year ago are getting a pretty good return.
Also, as for your Jordan experience you made it seem, in your post #64 in the Isreal-Hamas thread, that you had spent a considerable amount of time there.
"I studied at the university of Jordan in Amman in an Arabic and cultural immersion program designed for foreign diplomats and emissaries. So i actually have lived there, I've been to Israel and Palestine and I've seen a lot of what goes on first hand.-Anmar"
Implying that you were there for more than just a quarter.
Quote from: Varmit on September 04, 2009, 12:08:11 PM
Anmar, check your history facts. Beck and others were advertising for gold before late 2008. The problem with your analysis is how you base it. Simply put, the prise of gold rises and falls depending on the economy. When the economy is good, the price of gold goes down, when the economy is bad gold goes up. Considering, the national debt, the push to get out of the dollar, the continued drop of the economy, gold is a good bet. Using your chart, a year ago gold was at 850 (low when compared to today) pushing 1000 and projected to go higher. So, the "fools" who listened to Beck, Rush, and bought gold a year ago are getting a pretty good return.
Also, as for your Jordan expirence you made it seem, in your post #64 in the Isreal-Hamas thread, that you had spent a considerable amount of time there.
"I studied at the university of Jordan in Amman in an arabic and cultural immersion program designed for foreign diplomats and emmissaries. So i actually have lived there, i've been to Israel and Palestine and i've seen a lot of what goes on first hand.-Anmar"
Implying that you were there for more than just a quarter.
lol, you sure are good at reading things that aren't there and completely missing the point of what is clearly stated.
Soooooooooo? What was the point that he missed?
Quote from: Jo McDonald on September 04, 2009, 01:04:58 PM
Soooooooooo? What was the point that he missed?
Don't buy something when the price is high. Don't listen to people who tell you to buy when the price is high.
Anmar, you contridict yourself so many times it is hard to keep track. First, you say that the price history is not important then go on to use the history to say that investing in it was a bad idea. You accuse me of missing the point of what is stated, yet you clearly did the same thing when you posted those clips of Beck.
You know what, you are so lost in your own self-grandeur and conceit that it doesn't matter how many times you are proven wrong you will keep arguing the same point. I find this conversation dull and grow bored with it. Have a nice night.
Back to Van Jones.... the guy is toast, kuput, finis. He's had his 15 minutes of fame. Now, on to the other 43 Clowns. Hmmmm... lets see... who's next. I know, how about the Science guy? No... wait... how about the FCC lacky czar. Yeah... lets take him down, then the Science guy. Ah yes... I love the sound of those political toilets flushing in the morning....
Quote from: Varmit on September 04, 2009, 10:17:56 PM
Anmar, you contridict yourself so many times it is hard to keep track. First, you say that the price history is not important then go on to use the history to say that investing in it was a bad idea. You accuse me of missing the point of what is stated, yet you clearly did the same thing when you posted those clips of Beck.
You know what, you are so lost in your own self-grandeur and conceit that it doesn't matter how many times you are proven wrong you will keep arguing the same point. I find this conversation dull and grow bored with it. Have a nice night.
The clips of Beck were posted in a different thread, and were pertinent to that thread. You missed the point entirely. First you attack my education, then when i give you my credentials, you call it conceit. I'm sorry if you are feeling inadequete with yourself, but by expressing myself confidently in a subject area for which i have been trained extensively is not conceit. As i asked you earlier, where did you study economics?
I ask because it's difficult to argue with someone who lacks the basic understanding of buy low and sell high. You don't need to go to school for that. For some reason, you think it's a good idea to buy high. I want to know where you learned that. I want to know if defending Beck is so important to you that you'll turn your back on common sense.
Frankly, there are many reasons why gold is a terrible investment right now. Many of those reasons you would need to have some understanding of business to comprehend. You have to analyze the risk involved, and estimate the return. Gold is very volatile now and has a low probability of returning a substantial yield. The payoff doesn't warrant the risk. You have to compare it to other opportunities such as stocks, bonds, real estate, etc. Gold historically has a yield of about 8-9% while stocks have a yield of 13-16%. During an economic recovery, stock preform much better and gold does much worse. Don't just take my word for it, look it up, ask your investment advisor.
Billy, You haven't proven me wrong, the only thing you've proven is that you really don't know anything about economics, and that you are willing to try and pretend you do in order to further your own agenda.
For everyone else, remember that in the end, it's the media's job to make money. It's a business and they don't give a damn about you, because you are not their customer, the advertiser is.
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For everyone else, remember that in the end, it's the media's job to make money. It's a business and they don't give a damn about you, because you are not their customer, the advertiser is.
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If I may jump in here. You are 100% right about one thing, Anmar.. it's the media's job to make money, PERIOD! ... and I agree, the advertiser is their main point of veiw, BUT, remember, without we poor little viewers, their ratings go into the toilet. Case in point, NBC & MSNBC.
Quote from: Jo McDonald on September 04, 2009, 01:04:58 PM
Soooooooooo? What was the point that he missed?
The point is that Gold is not a good investment at this point and time. IF folks had bought into gold back in 2004 or so when it was at 400 a oz then it would have been a great investment. Today at 800 or so its due for a crash.
In late 70's, gold went from 200 a oz i think up to around 800 or so and then crashed back down to about 300 a oz. It was a hedge against inflation which was rampant during carter years and when the economy started coming out of hyperinflation caused by carter, it crashed big time. The same thing is going to happen with gold again. Once this economy comes out of its crash, and after the hyperinflation has run its course the gold prices are going to plumet. Don't expect gold to rise above 1000 much before the hyperinflation is over. It has already started. I have noticed in the last couple months, grocery prices have increased significantly. i just bought the same groceries i buy every month, and it was 55 dollars more expensive than it was in june. The hyperinflation has already started and until the money gets reintroduced back into the economy, from the stock selloff, the hyperinflation will continue. But Gold will not save the farm. The only thing Gold is, is a tangible. Think of it this way.
IF i bought gold at 500 a oz and lets say a chevy 350 pickup is 40,000 dollars, that means 80 oz of gold or 3 pounds of gold is what it would take to purchase the truck. Lets say in 2 years that same truck is 65,000 dollars and gold went up to 750 dollars a oz the same 3 pounds of gold would buy that truck. There is very little if any increase in the value of gold, it just keeps up with the inflation is all.
On this issue i would have to agree with Anmar.
I remember growing up as a kid, gold was illegal to own, and gold prices were set at 35.00 a oz. It was after they made gold legal to own that it started fluctuating like crazy.
Quote from: srkruzich on September 05, 2009, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: Jo McDonald on September 04, 2009, 01:04:58 PM
Soooooooooo? What was the point that he missed?
The point is that Gold is not a good investment at this point and time. IF folks had bought into gold back in 2004 or so when it was at 400 a oz then it would have been a great investment. Today at 800 or so its due for a crash.
In late 70's, gold went from 200 a oz i think up to around 800 or so and then crashed back down to about 300 a oz. It was a hedge against inflation which was rampant during carter years and when the economy started coming out of hyperinflation caused by carter, it crashed big time. The same thing is going to happen with gold again. Once this economy comes out of its crash, and after the hyperinflation has run its course the gold prices are going to plumet. Don't expect gold to rise above 1000 much before the hyperinflation is over. It has already started. I have noticed in the last couple months, grocery prices have increased significantly. i just bought the same groceries i buy every month, and it was 55 dollars more expensive than it was in june. The hyperinflation has already started and until the money gets reintroduced back into the economy, from the stock selloff, the hyperinflation will continue. But Gold will not save the farm. The only thing Gold is, is a tangible. Think of it this way.
IF i bought gold at 500 a oz and lets say a chevy 350 pickup is 40,000 dollars, that means 80 oz of gold or 3 pounds of gold is what it would take to purchase the truck. Lets say in 2 years that same truck is 65,000 dollars and gold went up to 750 dollars a oz the same 3 pounds of gold would buy that truck. There is very little if any increase in the value of gold, it just keeps up with the inflation is all.
On this issue i would have to agree with Anmar.
I remember growing up as a kid, gold was illegal to own, and gold prices were set at 35.00 a oz. It was after they made gold legal to own that it started fluctuating like crazy.
Ugh finally someone understands what I'm trying to say.
Quote from: Anmar on September 05, 2009, 01:07:44 PM
The clips of Beck were posted in a different thread, and were pertinent to that thread.
The clips of Beck that you posted were what you referenced when I asked you what he lied about. Your analysis of those clips was wrong.
I wasn't calling you concieted based on your credentials. I was calling you concieted based on the personality you present on the forum. I haven't studied economics, but I do understand the principle of buy low and sell high. I was defending Beck, Hannity, and others because you accuse them of reccomending gold for the sole purpose of making money for themselves and advertisers. If you had actually lisetened to what they were saying, you would know that they were recommending it as a hedge against inflation. You go on to say that the history of an investment is not important, then try to use that history to prove your point. You said that gold only shows a return of 8-9%, well, historically speaking, over the last ten years gold has gone from $300. to over $900. Now maybe I lack the understanding of multiplication, but that sure seems a little higher than 8 or 9%.
As for an economic recovery, we ain't there yet. Frankly, we haven't crashed yet. Keep an eye on the business real estate. Of course, opinions will vary on this. As for investments, do what you think is right, and good luck to you. I am done with arguing about it.
Warph, I hope you're right about Van Jones. Now if we could only get rid of Cass Sustien and Mark Loyd we would have a good start.
Quote from: Varmit on September 06, 2009, 09:18:20 AM
Quote from: Anmar on September 05, 2009, 01:07:44 PM
The clips of Beck were posted in a different thread, and were pertinent to that thread.
The clips of Beck that you posted were what you referenced when I asked you what he lied about. Your analysis of those clips was wrong.
I wasn't calling you concieted based on your credentials. I was calling you concieted based on the personality you present on the forum. I haven't studied economics, but I do understand the principle of buy low and sell high. I was defending Beck, Hannity, and others because you accuse them of reccomending gold for the sole purpose of making money for themselves and advertisers. If you had actually lisetened to what they were saying, you would know that they were recommending it as a hedge against inflation. You go on to say that the history of an investment is not important, then try to use that history to prove your point. You said that gold only shows a return of 8-9%, well, historically speaking, over the last ten years gold has gone from $300. to over $900. Now maybe I lack the understanding of multiplication, but that sure seems a little higher than 8 or 9%.
As for an economic recovery, we ain't there yet. Frankly, we haven't crashed yet. Keep an eye on the business real estate. Of course, opinions will vary on this. As for investments, do what you think is right, and good luck to you. I am done with arguing about it.
Warph, I hope you're right about Van Jones. Now if we could only get rid of Cass Sustien and Mark Loyd we would have a good start.
Short term gold has preformed well, long term it is only 8 -9%. Now is NOT the time to buy into the gold market. It will crash soon. Soon being 1 -2 years. It will climb up to about 1000 and seem to stabilize and then all of a sudden, when the folks think the stocks are a good buy, they will sell their gold and buy low on the stocks. That will crash the gold market. I would say it will probably drop to about 400 a oz.
Quote from: Varmit on September 06, 2009, 09:18:20 AM
Quote from: Anmar on September 05, 2009, 01:07:44 PM
The clips of Beck were posted in a different thread, and were pertinent to that thread.
The clips of Beck that you posted were what you referenced when I asked you what he lied about. Your analysis of those clips was wrong.
I wasn't calling you concieted based on your credentials. I was calling you concieted based on the personality you present on the forum. I haven't studied economics, but I do understand the principle of buy low and sell high. I was defending Beck, Hannity, and others because you accuse them of reccomending gold for the sole purpose of making money for themselves and advertisers. If you had actually lisetened to what they were saying, you would know that they were recommending it as a hedge against inflation. You go on to say that the history of an investment is not important, then try to use that history to prove your point. You said that gold only shows a return of 8-9%, well, historically speaking, over the last ten years gold has gone from $300. to over $900. Now maybe I lack the understanding of multiplication, but that sure seems a little higher than 8 or 9%.
As for an economic recovery, we ain't there yet. Frankly, we haven't crashed yet. Keep an eye on the business real estate. Of course, opinions will vary on this. As for investments, do what you think is right, and good luck to you. I am done with arguing about it.
Warph, I hope you're right about Van Jones. Now if we could only get rid of Cass Sustien and Mark Loyd we would have a good start.
Good luck in getting Sustein to step down. This guy thinks he's FDR and SCJ Frankfurter, incarnate.... You might say he's the architect of the New Obama Constitution. His views on FDR's second Bill Of Rights and Frankfurter's goofy liberal crap entrench Sustein for the remainder of Barry's term. I would be very surprised to see him go.
Now Lloyd on the other hand, is one scary hard-nose Alinsky trained communist. He want's a government takeover of our media and It's going to take more than the people to bring him down. The heavy Radio giants, such as Rush, O'Reilly, etc might do it if they can get through to the White House that this guy is a bad bad nut case and needs to be sent South to live out his remaining days kissing Chavez's fat butt.
And Steve, don't hold your breath on seeing gold drop to $400. 'cause it ain't going to happen.
Was ask to put these up by a forum member who is very active in keeping abreast of several forums ..but not real active in posting. :) so I copied and pasted and embedded what they wanted...
He ask that I put it up in its entirety.... ((he kinda toots our horn a bit and even though it is nice to be appreciated..I am a bit uncomfortable in putting it up.. but I will )
*Thanks Bob for the compliment and recognition... We appreciate it*Who Is Van Jones, Barack Obama's "Green Jobs Czar"?
The American people need to step back and look at who the President is surrounding himself with? That alone should raise the red flags and send them flying in the opposite direction.
Teresa, I know that there are a few people who will not watch this video because it was put together by Glen Beck and his staff.
It is unfortunate that so many willingly keep their head in the dark. What are they afraid of? What about the truth don't they want to know? Do they want this country to be a slave to one group of people? Do they want our freedoms taken from us bit by piece until we are no longer a free choice nation?
Glen didn't create the footage. The footage is exact and from onsite encounters with the people that Obama wants to have control over the United States. He didn't make this up! It is real! Everything that is going on now is REAL! This should deeply concern anyone who wants to live in a free nation.
Thanks for all you do behind the scenes inside this forum and also for all your work that you and Marshal do with the NRA and the extra miles you both walk in promoting our 2nd amendment rights within the Washington cult. I know that those inside the local county do not know the real Patriots that you both are and the hard work you do behind the scenes. It is not in vain.
Our numbers are growing and I think the longer we hammer at uncovering the truth, then hopefully the sheep herd will thin down.
Thank you for doing this for me.
B.L.H.
Van Jones is O-U-T!
Dick Morris, speaking on FOX's "On the Record" on Sept. 3, said that Van Jones, President Barack Obama's "green jobs" adviser, must resign after he reportedly signed a petition calling for an investigation into whether 9/11 was an inside job.
Morris was not dissuaded by Jones' subsequent denial that he believed there was an actual conspiracy.
"An investigation as to whether it was an inside job or not? You have got to be kidding," Morris said. "And this guy is in the administration and they're not calling for him to quit? What does Obama use for vetters?"
Jones also got into hot water this week regarding an expletive he used in describing Republicans.
Morris also said Obama's healthcare plan is in deep trouble. He said abandoning the public option would spell doom in the House. "The people's republic of Pelosi won't approve of it," he said. And keeping the public option and putting it to a vote won't get him the 60 votes he needs to shut off debate.
Comparing Obama's healthcare push to Bill and Hillary Clinton's in 1993, Morris said: "The big difference between Clinton's approach and his approach is that Clinton never tried to emasculate Medicare. Obama is. The Clinton approach was not to take money from the elderly and give it to others." Jones Quit as these new videos are released:
The ever-dignified Van Jones--White house Special Adviser on "Green Jobs" for President Obama--at an environmental conference, using what he calls "Ebonics" to give his impression of former President George W. Bush as a "crackhead licking the crack pipe for another fix".
Obama's green jobs czar Van Jones shows his true colors during a 2005 speech he made in San Francisco
Teresa, tell Bob that those were excellent posts. It is nice to know that there are people out there that get it.
Van Jones is gone, good riddance. When I see posts where the person that wants them posted asks Teresa to do it for them I wonder why? All I can think of is the person is a coward to stick up for their beliefs or it simply isn't true. Teresa, I don't know why you post stuff for people, it isn't that hard tell them to do it themselves. Especially when it comes to politics, because it seems they can't defend their own beliefs. That is no rant on Teresa that is a rant on people who can't post their own stuff. It is just one of those small things that is very irritating. Boy, I feel better. Tell Bob to be a man and show his face.
David
Van Jones seemed a bit strange to me. I don't think he was really a player on any team but his own.
Quote from: dnalexander on September 06, 2009, 06:08:15 PM
Van Jones is gone, good riddance. When I see posts where the person that wants them posted asks Teresa to do it for them I wonder why? All I can think of is the person is a coward to stick up for their beliefs or it simply isn't true. Teresa, I don't know why you post stuff for people, it isn't that hard tell them to do it themselves. Especially when it comes to politics, because it seems they can't defend their own beliefs. That is no rant on Teresa that is a rant on people who can't post their own stuff. It is just one of those small things that is very irritating. Boy, I feel better. Tell Bob to be a man and show his face.
David
One reason i send stuff to teresa to post is usually i can't get them to work. :P Or i can't upload the images to her site.
Quote from: srkruzich on September 06, 2009, 06:33:28 PM
Quote from: dnalexander on September 06, 2009, 06:08:15 PM
Van Jones is gone, good riddance. When I see posts where the person that wants them posted asks Teresa to do it for them I wonder why? All I can think of is the person is a coward to stick up for their beliefs or it simply isn't true. Teresa, I don't know why you post stuff for people, it isn't that hard tell them to do it themselves. Especially when it comes to politics, because it seems they can't defend their own beliefs. That is no rant on Teresa that is a rant on people who can't post their own stuff. It is just one of those small things that is very irritating. Boy, I feel better. Tell Bob to be a man and show his face.
David
One reason i send stuff to teresa to post is usually i can't get them to work. :P Or i can't upload the images to her site.
I have never had any problem posting anything to this site. I have never sent anything to Teresa to post. I was being sarcastic and over dramatic. It really doesn't bother me. Yes I realize we can't embed video but we can post them and Teresa or the moderator will make it so that they appear.
David
Quote from: dnalexander on September 06, 2009, 06:08:15 PM
Van Jones is gone, good riddance. When I see posts where the person that wants them posted asks Teresa to do it for them I wonder why? All I can think of is the person is a coward to stick up for their beliefs or it simply isn't true. Teresa, I don't know why you post stuff for people, it isn't that hard tell them to do it themselves. Especially when it comes to politics, because it seems they can't defend their own beliefs. That is no rant on Teresa that is a rant on people who can't post their own stuff. It is just one of those small things that is very irritating. Boy, I feel better. Tell Bob to be a man and show his face.
David
I will take just a minute here before I go to bed and ..even although I owe no one an explanation why I do anything for anyone in here.. but I will give it this time.
I took offense to this post of Davids actually.
He doesn't know WHY I POST THINGS FOR PEOPLE?
I sometimes post and do things for people because it is the nice and helpful thing to do. It is my job in here.
Bob Hendricks is a very dear friend who absolutely refuses to post on this forum. He keeps up with about 8 forums .. daily news ... is active in gun issues and agriculture political problems and is an Air Force veteran.... and is far from being a "coward"..
He keeps me in the loop in several areas that I don't have time to keep in the loop on ..and even though I have ask him to come in here and share his insight, he exercises his right to refuse me. LOL ( but I keep nagging and trying)
He defends his beliefs in many areas and in many places..but has no ties to this place and area and as he says to me.. "isn't going to argue with the lefties just so they can hear themselves argue".. ;D
He also sent it to me in such a disarray with links etc that I had to put it together with paragraphs from the links and also embed the videos.. one was disabled and I had to hunt it down to find it. Great and ok in an email..but not for forum posting... :) But I promised him I would do it..and I did. I would do the same for anyone in here. Even if you have bad things to say about me instead of good things.. LOL ;D ;D
I will add profile pictures.. put your videos up or post anything you want. I do it more than anyone knows.. sometimes people want me to put it up and they don't even want me to say it is from them........
So I post it and it's "from me".. :-\ But that is confidential... and I keep it that way.
In my opinion.. me being the owner and operator of this forum it is my job to work FOR you all.
if any one of you need something done and I can do it.. I will and I do.... do what I can for you. .
Simple as that!
If someone doesn't like it.. well that's just too bad.
As far as "Bob being a man and showing his face".. What does that have to do with anything?
Puuleeeease... There are a lot of people in here that don't show their face but talk behind a keyboard. Doesn't make what they say any more or less important than anyone who has their picture up ..
Beck: American People Stood Up to Bring Down Van Jones
Fox News host Glenn Beck, who led the charge calling for the resignation of President Barack Obama's "Green Jobs Czar" Van Jones said Sunday that Jones is only the first of many radicals in the administration who should be facing questions.
"The American people stood up and demanded answers," Beck wrote in a statement. "Instead of providing them, the Administration had Jones resign under cover of darkness. I continue to be amazed by the power of everyday Americans to initiate change in our government through honest questioning, and judging by the other radicals in the administration, I expect that questioning to continue for the foreseeable future."
Jones resigned late Saturday following mounting criticism over his past statements and associations. The tipping point came when it was discovered that he signed a petition in 2004 supporting the "9/11 truther" movement, which believes the Bush administration may have been complicit in the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
"Much of the credit for Jones resigning should go to Fox's Glenn Beck, who as HuffPo's Ryan Grim notes, has his "first scalp," Politico reported Sunday.
Beck's victory was being lauded by conservative columnists and grudgingly acknowledged by liberals across the country Sunday.
"Face it, Glenn Beck won a big victory for conservative America with the resignation of Van Jones," wrote Yael T. Abouhalkah, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist.
"Beck kept up the pressure, and the mainstream media reported on it. As a result, Jones couldn't really muster any effective counter-attack. He had made mistakes, tried to apologize for them but was too late," Abouhalkah added.
"As scary as this may sound... Glenn Beck might actually have more power than anybody else representing the Republican Party," the Web site Political Lore.com wrote Sunday. "As the Republican Party seemingly has no leader in their ranks, at least one that can represent the voice of the people. Even though Glenn Beck is an independent, he represents more Republicans than the Republican party."
"The resignation of Van Jones signals that Glenn Beck's words do not fall on deaf ears. The view's of Glenn Beck have been labeled "extreme" from just about everyone on the left. Van Jones views are arguably just as extreme, if not more so," the article continued.
The rest of the article..:
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/beck_jones_obama_boycott/2009/09/06/256993.html?s=al&promo_code=8834-1
Ya know Varmit, not everybody needs Glenn Beck to verify how they feel about issues. I, for one, could judge how I felt about Van Jones on my own. There was plenty of information about him out there without people having to check in to see how Glenn Beck felt. The man handily shot himself down, he didn't need Glenn Beck to do it. I often do watch him when I have time. When TV personalities have that much influence, or think they do, then it's time to question who is leading whom around by the nose. People should judge for themselves.
Varmit didn't post this.. I did... :)
and I DO judge for myself.. Glen Beck is just one of the ones I listen to..
And once again.. He isn't a TV personality.... ::)
Sorry, Teresa, I thought Varmit posted that. I do watch him when I have time. Sometimes I agree and sometimes I don't. Van Jones was a thorn in a lot of sides...on all sides.
The very first thing that comes up on Google under Glen Beck Is television. Hello? Not a TV personality? ??? ???
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 07, 2009, 07:05:01 PM
Ya know Varmit, not everybody needs Glenn Beck to verify how they feel about issues. I, for one, could judge how I felt about Van Jones on my own. There was plenty of information about him out there without people having to check in to see how Glenn Beck felt. The man handily shot himself down, he didn't need Glenn Beck to do it. I often do watch him when I have time. When TV personalities have that much influence, or think they do, then it's time to question who is leading whom around by the nose. People should judge for themselves.
Never said that they did. I just happen to agree with Beck on alot of issues. As far as info on Jones, he didn't really come to light in the mainstream until he made that comment about republicans. Without Glenn Beck commenting on Jones most people wouldn't have known about his past or racism, and the White House would have issused a "well, jones just misspoke" excuse.
As for TV Personalities having influence, if people that watched them didn't agree with them then they wouldn't watch, for the most part. Glenn Beck is always telling his audience to "do their own homework" on the subjects he talks about. That way people can judge for themselves.
Varmit, I don't always agree with Glenn beck, but I do watch when I have time. I want to hear both sides of issues. People should stay informed on their own, and not have anybody else do their thinking for them. Some do, many don't. I knew about Van Jones from the 9-11 document he signed. Not a good move. Now that he's on the loose, who knows what he will do?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 08, 2009, 08:54:17 AM
. Now that he's on the loose, who knows what he will do?
You got that right...ticking time bomb... they all are..