and it's gonna be kinda long but give me a break :) I ain't went on a rant for awhile! LOL
"The secret of success is to realize that the crisis on our planet is much larger than just deciding what to do with your own life, and if the system under which we live the structure of western civilization begins to collapse because of our selfishness and greed, then it will make no difference whether you have $1 million dollars when the crash comes or just $1.00. The only work that will ultimately bring any good to any of us is the work of contributing to the healing of the world." Maryanne Williamson
"Greed: A word commonly used by liberals, low achievers, anti-capitalists and society's losers to denigrate, shame and discredit those who have acquired superior job skills and decision-making capabilities and who, through the application of those job"
Neal Boortz
"What kind of society isn't structured on greed? The problem of social organization is how to set up an arrangement under which greed will do the least harm; capitalism is that kind of a system"
Milton Friedman
Greed ......unBRIDLED greed that is.....the situation we find ourselves in is caused by unBRIDLED greed. The greed of the CEOS who raped their companies for their OWN bank balances..... the people who took sub-prime mortgages not to buy a house they could afford to pay for but to buy a huge keepin up with the jones house that fit the image they wanted people to have of them.....the greed of corporations who moved jobs overseas to take ADVANTAGE of people willing to work for pennies on the dollar........the greed of the american worker who thought they just COULDn't get by on less than 40 bucks an hour for workin an eight hour a day 40 hour a week job.......there is enough greed blame to go around.
I have heard the liberals thought processes of spreading it around..."so called socialism". I do not believe in socialism but I DO believe in fair practices that make opportunities available to ALL not just the "priviliged" few.
I believe in "capitolism".....the chance for ANYbody who is willing to work to have the opportunity to profit from said work. Unfortunately, whether anybody wants to admit it or not the chance of somebody makin it very big these days depends more on how much money you alREADY have and who you KNOW than on what you can do. The "boys in the club" have had a stranglehold on american wealth for awhile now and they don't share well.
I know enough of them to still have faith in the american WORKER...the people who do the jobs the upper crust climbers won't can't or don't WANT to do for themselves......like it or not THEY are the backbone of America and they deserve more respect than they get. There are those people in America who are satisfied to build the fancy houses other people will live in..and go home to their little trailer on a few acres......there are those people who are satisfied just to sell the designer clothes the"uppercrust" can't live without while wearin their store labels with class......to do the mowing and gardening......detailing the expensive cars and lovin their old chevy truck :) Watchin their kids, cleanin their houses........basically livin the life they are missin in their greed and pursuit of more better bigger.
Those are the people who count, the quiet heroes of America
The elite CEOS and corporate bosses have screwed, blued and tattooed these people, looked down their noses at them while throwin them a few coins for way too long. Those said bosses need to live with a few less million, spend it on upgrading, refitting, bringing those jobs BACK to America. Making the needed changes to live UP to environmental regulations...it CAN be done and if they were the patriotic American loving capitolists they SAY they are that's what they would be DOING.
ANd make those changes without using the cost to screw the American consumer even harder....."Eliteist" WORKERS need to get over themselves and quit thinkin they are the ONLY ones who can do the job they do and so thinkin they are entitled to MORE pay for LESS work. First thing my Dad ever taught me about workin for somebody else, if you are going to take a mans money you BETTER give him a days work and that means WHatever it takes to get the job done not workin till noon and then comin back tomorrow and milkin it for a week.
The top and the bottom BOTH have responsibility for the shape our country is in and they BOTH need to be willin to step up and do what needs doin. The TOP is gonna have to turn loose of some cash and the BOTTOM is gonna have to do the job they hired on to do.
AND LOSE the POLITICAL agendas folks, cause political agendas don't do anything but twist things up.
Now the healthcare debate......GREED is a major player in THIS one as well. The greed of the insurance companies...the greed of doctors who are in it for the money instead of what they can do for the human race, the greed of nursing homes who charge huge amounts and give sub-standard care to our old folks....the greed of the pharmaceutical companies who make medicines people HAVE to have so expensive they try to live without them.....and now our wonderful government wants to fix it for us.
If they would do it right it MIGHT not be a bad idea.....but too many chiefs and not enough indians will turn it into the same fiasco any OTHER government run program turns into. The only thing I don't like is the part about making it against the law not to have insurance of some kind....tell me THAT isn't a big insurance GREED move...I don't have insurance because I CAN'T afford it not because I don't WANT it.....makin it against the law not to is not going to make me any MORE able TO afford it....
All the protests are interestin to watch... I haven't seen people THIS fired up for awhile......too bad about 50% of it is fake as hell......just an attempt to muddy the water by the special interests and an attempt to cause fear by spreading outrageous rumors......like the one about denying old people care just to kill em off. GIVE me a break.....INSURANCE companies have lists of what they will or will not pay for ....at any given time they can deny ANY coverage of ANY treatment long as they can find a loophole and they make sure those loopholes are hid in the fine print....it's ALL fueled by greed.......DO they not know THEY are gonna get old too? Do you REALLY think the human race has fallen THAT far? If you do I am sorry for you. I could go on for days but I'm talkin myself out of steam so guess this rant's over :P I still say what I always say...WE created this monster called Government and WE can turn it back into a lapdog.
Greed is what the problem is........not anything else.....GREED
This is one answer to my rant.......
"So much attention is paid to the aggressive sins, such as violence and cruelty and greed with all their tragic effects, that too little attention is paid to the passive sins, such as apathy and laziness, which in the long run can have a more devastating effect."
Quote from: pamsback on August 12, 2009, 09:36:28 AM
"Greed: A word commonly used by liberals, low achievers, anti-capitalists and society's losers to denigrate, shame and discredit those who have acquired superior job skills and decision-making capabilities and who, through the application of those job"
Neal Boortz
Totally agree with boortz.
QuoteGreed ......unBRIDLED greed that is.....the situation we find ourselves in is caused by unBRIDLED greed. The greed of the CEOS who raped their companies for their OWN bank balances.....
Some of them yeah i agree and they get what comes to them too. Usually caught. CEO's like Lee Iacocca and gates and others were worth every dime paid to them.
Quotethe people who took sub-prime mortgages not to buy a house they could afford to pay for but to buy a huge keepin up with the jones house that fit the image they wanted people to have of them....
And they got what they deserved.
Quote.the greed of corporations who moved jobs overseas to take ADVANTAGE of people willing to work for pennies on the dollar........
You know can't blame them for doing it. Its called competition. if you can't sell a product to the public cheaper than your competitor then you have to do something.
Quotethe greed of the american worker who thought they just COULDn't get by on less than 40 bucks an hour for workin an eight hour a day 40 hour a week job.......there is enough greed blame to go around.
Well i was one of those folks that got paid 40 bucks a hour and I was worth every penny they paid. I gave them the best money could buy. And 40 hour week??? ROTFLMBO. I never worked a 40 hour week. My weeks were 70 -90 hour weeks.
You don't get ahead financially without sacrificing, preparing for your future through education and making intellegent choices, nor do you get wealthy by working 40 hours. IF you want to have finer things you have to put the time in to get them. No one owes anyone a living.
QuoteI have heard the liberals thought processes of spreading it around..."so called socialism". I do not believe in socialism but I DO believe in fair practices that make opportunities available to ALL not just the "priviliged" few.
fair practices? Like? In the business world there is no such thing as fair. You either have something to sell that someone wants to buy or you don't. I sell my services to an employer for what i think i am worth and that employer decides whether or not he wishes to pay for my services. Nothing wrong with that, nothing unfair about not gettin gthe job if i don't. If i want it bad enough I make the employer a deal he can't refuse.
QuoteI believe in "capitolism".....the chance for ANYbody who is willing to work to have the opportunity to profit from said work. Unfortunately, whether anybody wants to admit it or not the chance of somebody makin it very big these days depends more on how much money you alREADY have and who you KNOW than on what you can do. The "boys in the club" have had a stranglehold on american wealth for awhile now and they don't share well.
Poppycock. Anyone can achieve what they want to achieve if they use critical thinking skills and proper planning and choosing the path to go down for future opportunities. IF you don't have an opportunity you take what skills you have and make an opportunity. IF you dont' have the skills you go get the skills through education or working for free for someone.
QuoteI know enough of them to still have faith in the american WORKER...the people who do the jobs the upper crust climbers won't can't or don't WANT to do for themselves......like it or not THEY are the backbone of America and they deserve more respect than they get. There are those people in America who are satisfied to build the fancy houses other people will live in..and go home to their little trailer on a few acres......there are those people who are satisfied just to sell the designer clothes the"uppercrust" can't live without while wearin their store labels with class......to do the mowing and gardening......detailing the expensive cars and lovin their old chevy truck :) Watchin their kids, cleanin their houses........basically livin the life they are missin in their greed and pursuit of more better bigger.
Those are the people who count, the quiet heroes of America
Well you know without the uppercrust the folks that live in the trailers and drive old pickups wouldnt' have a job. Like it or not, the rich provide jobs.
QuoteThe elite CEOS and corporate bosses have screwed, blued and tattooed these people, looked down their noses at them while throwin them a few coins for way too long. Those said bosses need to live with a few less million, spend it on upgrading, refitting, bringing those jobs BACK to America.
Won't happen when folks won't pay the price for the products that are being made by americans. The public is at fault here. Not the CEO's. If your wanting american jobs back then quit buying at walmart, dollarstores and other stores that are selling the cheap stuff.
Quote"Eliteist" WORKERS need to get over themselves and quit thinkin they are the ONLY ones who can do the job they do and so thinkin they are entitled to MORE pay for LESS work.
???? You mean like Union workers??
QuoteFirst thing my Dad ever taught me about workin for somebody else, if you are going to take a mans money you BETTER give him a days work and that means WHatever it takes to get the job done not workin till noon and then comin back tomorrow and milkin it for a week.
True i agree there, but i also agree with what my grandpa and my dad used to say. Work smart not hard.
QuoteThe top and the bottom BOTH have responsibility for the shape our country is in and they BOTH need to be willin to step up and do what needs doin. The TOP is gonna have to turn loose of some cash and the BOTTOM is gonna have to do the job they hired on to do.
You know if folks would stop trying to take it from them, the top would turn loose of some of that cash and OMG they would provide some jobs!
QuoteNow the healthcare debate......GREED is a major player in THIS one as well. The greed of the insurance companies...the greed of doctors who are in it for the money instead of what they can do for the human race,
ROTFLMBO Doctors don't go into debt to the tune of quarter of a million dollars to give away their knowlege and expertise
Insurance companies don't insure for humanitarian efforts, they are in it to make money.
Quotethe greed of nursing homes who charge huge amounts and give sub-standard care to our old folks....
I dont' know about that cause my family takes care of our own. WE don't rely on others to take care of our family members.
Quotethe greed of the pharmaceutical companies who make medicines people HAVE to have so expensive they try to live without them.....
Hmm greed huh?? Gotta ask you how you propose that they pay for these new expensive drugs taht benefit people? I can cite on drug called ranexa. Took a couple billion dollars to develop all paid for by investors. Shouldn't these folks get their money back with substantial interest?? THey took the risk and came out with a drug that relieved people from pain of angina. I say its worth every penny i paid for mine. oh it was 1200 dollars a month. Gotta say it was worth 1200 dollars to not have heart attack pain.
Anyway they came out with it in 2007 i think. Drug manufactuerer wholesales it to the pharmacies at 200 dollars for 120 pills which is around 156 million a year. so its going to take at least 15 years to recoup the R&D costs of the drug. Whos making the money? The pharmacies, not the drug companies.
QuoteIf they would do it right it MIGHT not be a bad idea.....but too many chiefs and not enough indians will turn it into the same fiasco any OTHER government run program turns into. The only thing I don't like is the part about making it against the law not to have insurance of some kind....tell me THAT isn't a big insurance GREED move...I don't have insurance because I CAN'T afford it not because I don't WANT it.....makin it against the law not to is not going to make me any MORE able TO afford it....
All the protests are interestin to watch... I haven't seen people THIS fired up for awhile......too bad about 50% of it is fake as hell......just an attempt to muddy the water by the special interests and an attempt to cause fear by spreading outrageous rumors......like the one about denying old people care just to kill em off. GIVE me a break.....INSURANCE companies have lists of what they will or will not pay for ....at any given time they can deny ANY coverage of ANY treatment long as they can find a loophole and they make sure those loopholes are hid in the fine print....it's ALL fueled by greed.......DO they not know THEY are gonna get old too? Do you REALLY think the human race has fallen THAT far? If you do I am sorry for you. I could go on for days but I'm talkin myself out of steam so guess this rant's over :P I still say what I always say...WE created this monster called Government and WE can turn it back into a lapdog.
Greed is what the problem is........not anything else.....GREED
No greed is not the problem, ignorance is. We have allowed the stupid people to breed and they get to vote.
QuoteGreed ......unBRIDLED greed that is.....the situation we find ourselves in is caused by unBRIDLED greed. The greed of the CEOS who raped their companies for their OWN bank balances.....
Some of them yeah i agree and they get what comes to them too. Usually caught. CEO's like Lee Iacocca and gates and others were worth every dime paid to them.
99.9% of them AREN'T
Quotethe people who took sub-prime mortgages not to buy a house they could afford to pay for but to buy a huge keepin up with the jones house that fit the image they wanted people to have of them....
And they got what they deserved.
duh
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Quotethe greed of corporations who moved jobs overseas to take ADVANTAGE of people willing to work for pennies on the dollar........
You know can't blame them for doing it. Its called competition. if you can't sell a product to the public cheaper than your competitor then you have to do something.
BIGGER profit margins was the reason
QuoteWell i was one of those folks that got paid 40 bucks a hour and I was worth every penny they paid. I gave them the best money could buy. And 40 hour week??? ROTFLMBO. I never worked a 40 hour week. My weeks were 70 -90 hour weeks.
big wup....we ALL have worked those kind of hours
Quotefair practices?
the big guys make it impossible for a little guy to start up if they can and EVERYbody knows it.
QuoteWell you know without the uppercrust the folks that live in the trailers and drive old pickups wouldnt' have a job. Like it or not, the rich provide jobs.
surprise surprise...you missed the point my POINT was SOME people have realized that more better bigger DOESN'T make them any happier so they don't play the greed game
QuoteIf your wanting american jobs back then quit buying at walmart, dollarstores and other stores that are selling the cheap stuff.
I spend half my time shoppin lookin for the made in AMerica label, it is VERY hard to find, I have always bought american if it was to be found so bite me.
QuoteYou mean like Union workers??
some of them yeah.
QuoteYou know if folks would stop trying to take it from them, the top would turn loose of some of that cash and OMG they would provide some jobs!
blah blah blah :P
As for the rest of your answer.......the pharmaceutical companies don't DO it because they are great humanitarians....they do it because there are BIG bucks to be made off of sick people. There is NO money in curing people. Don't make me laugh. Well the pharmacies are just practicin that good ol capitolism yall are so fond of so what's wrong with that? Yeah too many stupid people DO breed....guess what SOME of them are republicans and independants and SHHHHH.....don't tell anybody this but SOME of them are actually conSERVATIVES!!!
Quote from: pamsback on August 12, 2009, 01:04:12 PM
QuoteGreed ......unBRIDLED greed that is.....the situation we find ourselves in is caused by unBRIDLED greed. The greed of the CEOS who raped their companies for their OWN bank balances.....
Some of them yeah i agree and they get what comes to them too. Usually caught. CEO's like Lee Iacocca and gates and others were worth every dime paid to them.
99.9% of them AREN'T
Really would you like to show us some documentation that proves that?
Contrary to saturday daytime cartoons that have played for years, corporations are not evil and government rushing in to save the day is not good.
QuoteQuotethe people who took sub-prime mortgages not to buy a house they could afford to pay for but to buy a huge keepin up with the jones house that fit the image they wanted people to have of them....
And they got what they deserved.
duh
Then why complain about them if they take a subprime mortgage and lose everything.??
Quote.Quotethe greed of corporations who moved jobs overseas to take ADVANTAGE of people willing to work for pennies on the dollar........
You know can't blame them for doing it. Its called competition. if you can't sell a product to the public cheaper than your competitor then you have to do something.
BIGGER profit margins was the reason
And The problem with that is?? Thats what all businesses are in business for. To make a PROFIT! Not a loss.
QuoteQuoteWell i was one of those folks that got paid 40 bucks a hour and I was worth every penny they paid. I gave them the best money could buy. And 40 hour week??? ROTFLMBO. I never worked a 40 hour week. My weeks were 70 -90 hour weeks.
big wup....we ALL have worked those kind of hours
No we all haven't worked those kinds of hours. I doubt 95% of the public has worked 80 hour weeks much less 90 hour weeks. You only have 160 hours in a week and you spend at least 40 of those hours sleeping.
QuoteQuotefair practices?
the big guys make it impossible for a little guy to start up if they can and EVERYbody knows it.
Again i don't know what your talking about. Whos making it impossible to start up what??
QuoteQuoteWell you know without the uppercrust the folks that live in the trailers and drive old pickups wouldnt' have a job. Like it or not, the rich provide jobs.
surprise surprise...you missed the point my POINT was SOME people have realized that more better bigger DOESN'T make them any happier so they don't play the greed game
Well thats their choice. :) Thats what it is all about. IF they choose not to play the game then thats their perogative, but don't complain when joe has more than they do..
QuoteQuoteIf your wanting american jobs back then quit buying at walmart, dollarstores and other stores that are selling the cheap stuff.
I spend half my time shoppin lookin for the made in AMerica label, it is VERY hard to find, I have always bought american if it was to be found so bite me.
Bite you?? That was pretty snotty. If you buy made in china, or made in mexico, then your choosing to keep the jobs in those countries. The problem is you don't want to pay the price for american made.
Same as everyone else! You can find american made. Its pretty easy. You won't like the prices though.
QuoteQuoteYou know if folks would stop trying to take it from them, the top would turn loose of some of that cash and OMG they would provide some jobs!
blah blah blah :P
ITs proven fact that if a employer isn't taxed into oblivion that they will provide jobs. I lived through one of the most taxinest presidents and congress ever in the late 70's. Income taxes were in the 70% range. My dad was paying 72% of his income out in taxes and jobs were few and far between. This country hasn't seen unemployment like that since president reagan cut the tax, redid the entire code and stopped the hemorage of money out of the taxpayors pockets.
QuoteAs for the rest of your answer.......the pharmaceutical companies don't DO it because they are great humanitarians....they do it because there are BIG bucks to be made off of sick people. There is NO money in curing people. Don't make me laugh. Well the pharmacies are just practicin that good ol capitolism yall are so fond of so what's wrong with that?
I don't see a problem with a pharmaceutical company making money. Thats why they are in business. They don't owe you or i anything, unless we're stockholders. Thats a entitlement mentality to think they owe us something. They took the risk, they were the ones smart enough to come up with a solution to a problem and by God their product is a result of their ingenuity and they should be rewarded for that.
QuoteYeah too many stupid people DO breed....guess what SOME of them are republicans and independants and SHHHHH.....don't tell anybody this but SOME of them are actually conSERVATIVES!!!
Most believe that corporations and taxpayer owes them something more than the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. IF they can't achieve those three things on their own, then tough. Nothing is guaranteed in life.
You know its odd, i don't take welfare but probably could get it but its the principle of the thing. If i sell my soul to the welfare office, then i am no longer free. taking from others is not my thing. If i can't do it myself i just don't do it.
As to your first point......Nowhere did I say government was the answer or that corporations are Evil...I said they are greedy. They are.
as to number two.....because they took the rest of us WITH them.
as to number three.....there are profits and then there is GREED. Seriously.....how many million dollars a year does it take to make somebody happy?
number 4.......I'll put it THIS way....99% of the people I know have worked those kind of hours.
number 5.........you are just being obtuse....sqeezing out the competition is the great American way....we don't share and live and let live...we take em out and then step on em on the way up.
number 6........I wasn't complaining about anybody having more than anybody, I was trying to make the point that greed gets you absolutely nowhere you can't go without it. But go ahead and refuse to see what I'm saying I don't really care....
number 7........yeah it was snotty...but I meant it.....I pay the price for american when I find it.....period.
number 8.......again duh. I don't care who does or doesn't get welfare to be quite honest and I don't care about whether or not YOU do.
That was not the point of this.....the point was GREED raw unbridled greed has been "GOD" in this country too long and those who have chosen to live beyond their means so some gomer somewhere will think they are to be envied is what has caused this whole stinking mess. STUFF has been worshipped too long and at a cost yet to be realized......
Let me make this perfectly clear...Personally I don't care what anybody else has....I have what I need....I live where I want....I live HOW I want,
I was voicin thoughts about what I hear OTHER people complaining about every day....we have become a country of lazy let somebody else do it people.....An AWFUL lot of people don't do for themselves anymore...they don't know HOW...and then they want to bitch and moan about what it costs to have somebody ELSE do it and want the government to force em to do it for free.
I'm all FOR makin a living and making a profit but I am against the policy of screw em till they scream that MOST people think is "good capitolism". There IS such a thing as fair business...there IS such a thing as REASONable profit. If you ain't happy with ONE million 50 ain't gonna make you ANY happier.
Quote from: pamsback on August 12, 2009, 04:10:57 PM
As to your first point......Nowhere did I say government was the answer or that corporations are Evil...I said they are greedy. They are.
again i don't know what the problem is with their making money.
Quoteas to number two.....because they took the rest of us WITH them.
No they didn't take us down the dems took us down with them by screwing around with the regulations that would have prevented it.
Quoteas to number three.....there are profits and then there is GREED. Seriously.....how many million dollars a year does it take to make somebody happy?
What does happiness have to do with it? If a man goes out and uses his abilities and intellegence to start a business and it makes money and a lot of money, then its his money, not yours not mine not anyone elses money, to do with as he so chooses. Who are we to decide for him how he spends his money? We haven't risked anything, nor have we provided anything towards his success that warrants us deciding how he gets to spend his rewards that he has reaped.
My kids used to tell me dad i need 50 bucks. I told them get a job. they said why you have money, and I told them yeah and i worked for my money. They finally after having to suffer a little by living in crappy housing, walking to their min wage jobs that hey if they improve themselves they can make money too and NOt have to walk to work, nor live in crappy houses, and they might get to enjoy a steak every now and then.
Quotenumber 4.......I'll put it THIS way....99% of the people I know have worked those kind of hours.
Well good for them. They keep it up they will succeed and if they use critical thinking skills and educate themselves constantly they will be able to retire at an age when they can enjoy the fruits of their labor.
number 5.........you are just being obtuse....sqeezing out the competition is the great American way....we don't share and live and let live...we take em out and then step on em on the way up.
Quotenumber 6........I wasn't complaining about anybody having more than anybody, I was trying to make the point that greed gets you absolutely nowhere you can't go without it. But go ahead and refuse to see what I'm saying I don't really care....
Actually greed does get you everywhere if your the one making the money. Its feast or famine. when the money rolls in you make it and stash it.
Quotenumber 7........yeah it was snotty...but I meant it.....I pay the price for american when I find it.....period.
Well here ya go. http://www.lehmans.com/
You can pretty much find just about anything you want here that is American made. I think they do have some import stuff but not very much.
But i was dead serious when i said that its the publics fault that jobs went overseas. why do you think Chevrolet and chrysler and ford were bankrupt. They put out crap for one thing, and charged more for it. Then comes along foreign companies that could produce quality for half the cost and its a no brainer.
I myself ain't going to pay 40,000 for a pickup truck when i can get one better made for 25,000.
But the automakers problems are more union problems than consumer problems. I think that if the unions were out of the auto business, that they could make a good quality product for half the cost and compete with the foreign companies and employ american workers to do it.
QuoteI was voicin thoughts about what I hear OTHER people complaining about every day....we have become a country of lazy let somebody else do it people.....An AWFUL lot of people don't do for themselves anymore...they don't know HOW...and then they want to bitch and moan about what it costs to have somebody ELSE do it and want the government to force em to do it for free.
You what i don't disagree. I know your right on this!
QuoteI'm all FOR makin a living and making a profit but I am against the policy of screw em till they scream that MOST people think is "good capitolism". There IS such a thing as fair business...there IS such a thing as REASONable profit. If you ain't happy with ONE million 50 ain't gonna make you ANY happier.
I'm sorry but what is this concept of fair profit? A fair profit is what the market will bear. supply and demand.
If i make something and the market will pay 100 dollars for that item and it only costs me .50 cents to make it, you can bet i'm going to sell it for 100 bucks. Then when joe blow comes up with a cheaper costing item that is like my item, i'll drop my price to beat his. It still costs me .50 cents so i am not losing anything. Eventually enough people will get into the game and drive the prices to the bottom and I'll take my money and go home and leave the rest of the latecomers to fight over the crumbs.
Thats business. LOL. Look i' dirt poor as a churchmouse, but darn it i do not envy anyones money for any reason and the only thing i think about their profit is how can i make that kind of money so i look at them and try to imitate their success.
if i am successful, and i make 50 million i'll make 50 million and continue to use that 50 million to make me another 250 million. why stop there if i make 50 mill i won't stop til i have several billion. Happiness has nothing to do with making the money. I can live on 14,400 dollars a year and if i made that kind of money i would probably buy everything i needed, and a little that i want, and live like i was on a 14,400 budget after that.
The whole thing is that its not our place to envy others success. The politics of envy has shattered this country and will destroy it if we don't get control of it.
Quote from: pamsback on August 12, 2009, 04:10:57 PM
number 5.........you are just being obtuse....sqeezing out the competition is the great American way....we don't share and live and let live...we take em out and then step on em on the way up.
ROTFL. uhmm if that were the case then there would be no competition. Most companies don't squeeze them out they buy them up. simpler and more efficient.
the big guys lets see good example is IBM they had the market on computers in 1980. Guess what, little guy called bill gates bought IBMS software called dos and turned it into a multibillion dollar enterprise. dell computers, gateway computers, Kaypro, Apple, all started from little guys going up against the behemoth. They became behemoths themselves.
If your going up against a big guy, then your going about it the wrong way. YOu don't go head to head with a goliath, even david didn't kill him on his own you know.
It takes business sense and business savvy to make a business fly. It also takes hard work and sacrifice to get it to survive. I started this apiary here with money that i saved from cutting back on groceries. I got the bees. The hives i make are almost free because I am salvaging materials from buildings that are being torn down and utilizing the resources available to meet my need. Ingenuity, critical thinking skills, a little luck and a whole lot of sacrifice, and i will have a thriving apiary in 2 or 3 years.
Most beekeepers lose money at it. I think i can make money at it because i am filling a special niche in the market.
No one is going to squeeze me out, if i fail thats on my head not someone elses. IF any business fails that means they didn't do it right. Even walmart can't squeeze out everyone in a town itmoves into. that has been proven time and time again.
It appears both of you needed to get it out of your system. Please continue. :laugh:
David
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2009, 06:01:35 PM
I've been very interested in what has been said on both sides. Bees....and what kind of society do they have that works so well for them? Interesting thought. ;D
Bees have different jobs. Some jobs are cushy like the one the queen has, some suck really bad like the drones job which is breeding the queen and then they get kicked outof the hive to die. :) your lucky if you get queen duty in the winter months cause you live longer than 2 months.
Quote from: dnalexander on August 12, 2009, 05:22:49 PM
It appears both of you needed to get it out of your system. Please continue. :laugh:
David
LOL well I have been on both ends of the spectrum so i know what its like on both sides.
Even though i don't have much now i sure don't envy anyone that makes 50 million. I say more power to them.
I could care less if they have more money than they can spend in a lifetime. I admire someone that can take some idea and turn it into that kind of money. Yet i don't care about money outside of it being a tool to get what i want. Even when i had millions of dollars in my budget to spend back in 1999 i didn't spend it foolishly, i shopped around for the best bang for the buck. That made my employer more profit and i was rewarded with more money. Thats how the game is played. I have worked as a waffle house cook before and stayed only long enough til another better job came along. I worked contract for years building my skills and experience and education on the employers nickle not my nickle. I obtained the equivelency of a bachelors degree in my field but never went to college. I competed against degree'd professionals for the same job and i got the job because i had aquired the ability to use critical thinkingskills and proven experience over a college boy with book smarts and no experience.
So yeah a nobody can get on top.
Quoteagain i don't know what the problem is with their making money
Never said their makin money was a problem, gougin people for everything they can get IS
QuoteNo they didn't take us down the dems took us down with them by screwing around with the regulations that would have prevented it.
Actually it was the weasels who took advantage of said regulatory loopholes to sell bad debt as good collateral to line their own pockets who took us down
QuoteWhat does happiness have to do with it?
Actually greed does get you everywhere if your the one making the money.
if you don't know I can't tell you....and greed gets you nowhere special...money ain't the answer
Lehmans has good stuff. As for the fair profit....what the market will bear is exactly what I'm talkin about......I make and sell things....if it costs me .50 to make it my CONSCIENCE won't let me sell it for 100.00 just cause I could GET it which is why I personally will NEVER be rich.
I envy nobodys MONETARY success because money is not how I MEASURE success.
I gotta go now because daughter is givin me the evil eye for delaying her chat LOL.
Quote from: pamsback on August 12, 2009, 06:36:52 PM
Quoteagain i don't know what the problem is with their making money
Never said their makin money was a problem, gougin people for everything they can get IS
Ohh theres no such thing as gouging. IF you don't like product x's price go buy product y.
QuoteQuoteNo they didn't take us down the dems took us down with them by screwing around with the regulations that would have prevented it.
Actually it was the weasels who took advantage of said regulatory loopholes to sell bad debt as good collateral to line their own pockets who took us down
No the weasles have always been there. The ones who set it up so that the weasles could operate are the ones who are taking us down. You can bet that barney frank and company and everyone that whittled away at the regulations on fannie mae lined their pockets well.
QuoteQuoteWhat does happiness have to do with it?
Actually greed does get you everywhere if your the one making the money.
if you don't know I can't tell you....and greed gets you nowhere special...money ain't the answer
You know when you have a bill and cant pay it because youdon't have enough money then your not happy. I guarantee you that money will make life happier if you have it. IT is not the source of all happiness but it affects your happiness if there is a lack of it.
QuoteLehmans has good stuff. As for the fair profit....what the market will bear is exactly what I'm talkin about......I make and sell things....if it costs me .50 to make it my CONSCIENCE won't let me sell it for 100.00 just cause I could GET it which is why I personally will NEVER be rich.
LOL well if i can get 100 dollars for a .50 cent widget i'm going to make and sell as many as i can for 100 bucks each. I don't force a person to buy it. Besides how long can i make 100 bucks before someone else comes along and undercuts my price. Gotta get it when you can cause eventually it becomes a losing proposition when its so undercut that noone makes a profit.
QuoteI envy nobodys MONETARY success because money is not how I MEASURE success.
Monetary success is just a small part of success. Lots of things make one successful.
QuoteI gotta go now because daughter is givin me the evil eye for delaying her chat LOL.
LOL
ok
Quote from: srkruzich on August 12, 2009, 05:16:20 PM
It takes business sense and business savvy to make a business fly. It also takes hard work and sacrifice to get it to survive. I started this apiary here with money that i saved from cutting back on groceries. I got the bees. The hives i make are almost free because I am salvaging materials from buildings that are being torn down and utilizing the resources available to meet my need. Ingenuity, critical thinking skills, a little luck and a whole lot of sacrifice, and i will have a thriving apiary in 2 or 3 years.
Most beekeepers lose money at it. I think i can make money at it because i am filling a special niche in the market.
No one is going to squeeze me out, if i fail thats on my head not someone elses.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 12, 2009, 06:57:52 PM
LOL well if i can get 100 dollars for a .50 cent widget i'm going to make and sell as many as i can for 100 bucks each. I don't force a person to buy it. Besides how long can i make 100 bucks before someone else comes along and undercuts my price. Gotta get it when you can cause eventually it becomes a losing proposition when its so undercut that noone makes a profit.
Well, I hope that you don't sell your bee products for such a large markup "just because you can". Especially when you received free/almost free materials from people in the community who were willing to help your business out. THAT'S why other buisnesses in the community can survive when Walmart moves in... because those businesses support the community and the community supports the businesses. Walmart isn't likely to sell someone's locally grown bee products just to support that person... they are going to sell the cheapest products they can. But, the local businesses will jump at an opportunity to sell locally grown products; they, like you, have a niche market and want to support their customers, too. No, the local store isn't going to get rich off your product being sold in their store, but they're willing to help other local people to make some money... as long as you don't turn around and go spend that money at Walmart!
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Lol, that pretty much is my view in a nutshell.....I was tryin to make the point that the problem is nobody is satisfied to just "make a livin" anymore or very few are anyway. As for havin more money than you can spend in two lifetimes.....what is the point? Seriously?
I've done some thinkin about this when people are talkin and ask me "What would YOU do if you won one of those multimillion lottery jackpots?" Payin for it outright I could get EVERYTHING I ever wanted for a couple hundred grand...probly less...what the hell would I do with the OTHER hundred million? Give it away is my guess......and right now I pretty MUCH have everything I ever wanted just WORKIN for it.....and I've probly never made over 35 grand in my BEST year...most of em a LOT less..more like half that.
I've had people rag me because I sell my stuff so cheap....but I do it beCAUSE I've been cash poor most of my life..I KNOW what it is like to wish you could buy somthin and not be able to afford it...actually that's how I've learned to make the things I make! I couldn't afford them so I learned to make my OWN LOL. So no I would never do that just because I could...it's bad karma for me.
But that's the thing about the human race...different strokes y'know.
Don't forget the old adage: "Money can't buy happiness, but, it makes misery a whole lot easier"
Larryj
Quote from: Tobina+1 on August 13, 2009, 08:46:18 AM
Quote from: srkruzich on August 12, 2009, 05:16:20 PM
It takes business sense and business savvy to make a business fly. It also takes hard work and sacrifice to get it to survive. I started this apiary here with money that i saved from cutting back on groceries. I got the bees. The hives i make are almost free because I am salvaging materials from buildings that are being torn down and utilizing the resources available to meet my need. Ingenuity, critical thinking skills, a little luck and a whole lot of sacrifice, and i will have a thriving apiary in 2 or 3 years.
Most beekeepers lose money at it. I think i can make money at it because i am filling a special niche in the market.
No one is going to squeeze me out, if i fail thats on my head not someone elses.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 12, 2009, 06:57:52 PM
LOL well if i can get 100 dollars for a .50 cent widget i'm going to make and sell as many as i can for 100 bucks each. I don't force a person to buy it. Besides how long can i make 100 bucks before someone else comes along and undercuts my price. Gotta get it when you can cause eventually it becomes a losing proposition when its so undercut that noone makes a profit.
Well, I hope that you don't sell your bee products for such a large markup "just because you can". Especially when you received free/almost free materials from people in the community who were willing to help your business out. THAT'S why other buisnesses in the community can survive when Walmart moves in... because those businesses support the community and the community supports the businesses. Walmart isn't likely to sell someone's locally grown bee products just to support that person... they are going to sell the cheapest products they can. But, the local businesses will jump at an opportunity to sell locally grown products; they, like you, have a niche market and want to support their customers, too. No, the local store isn't going to get rich off your product being sold in their store, but they're willing to help other local people to make some money... as long as you don't turn around and go spend that money at Walmart!
well the materials aren't free, i have to work hard to recover the materials. So theres not a free cost associated with the materials. My time is worth just as much as paying out for the raw materials. It would cost to remove this material in most cases, so my efforts also benefit those who need to clean up things.
But as far as honey goes thats a fixed price, i can't sell more than anyone else around unless its something thats harder to get like sourwood honey. And sourwood sells about double the cost of regular honey. So does other types. Try buying royal jelly. Royal jelly can sell from 50 dollars a pound to 100 dollars a pound depending on availability.
And yes i would sell royal jelly for that price because it requires a lot of time and effort to extract it and it is only manufactured in very small quantities.
As far as honey goes what the market will bear. Same for things like eggs, milk ect. when you get naturally grown, it usually is higher than the stuff that the grocery stores import from china at .30 a pound.
home grown beef sells for more than walmart beef. Why is that? its what people will pay for home grown beef.
Quote from: larryJ on August 13, 2009, 09:38:40 AM
Don't forget the old adage: "Money can't buy happiness, but, it makes misery a whole lot easier"
Larryj
ROTFL thats true LOL
Quote from: Tobina+1 on August 13, 2009, 08:46:18 AM
You know all i am pointing out is that no one has the right to dictate what a person sells their wares for. You see, one of the biggest problems i see in this country right now is that so many people are envious of what others have. Thats why you have the idiots out there buying houses they can't afford, and those folks out there that are screaming how unfair it is that joe blow is making millions of dollars as a CEO executive. So what?
We don't need governmnet to penalize someone for making money. IF you don't like that xyz company is making more money than God, then simple solution is to stop buying xyz's product. Theres more power in your vote with a dollar than there is in government regulation.
Envy is going to destroy this country faster than the politicians, communism, or any other socialist agenda.
If i remember right, there is a commandment, thou shalt no covet. if we are upset/jealous/desire to regulate someone making 50 -100 million or more, then we are indirectly coveting their property.
The politics of Envy basically says, if I can't have that, then i don't want anyone else to have it.
Actually, that was not a quote by me on Steve's post. Those were your words. Please be careful on using quotes so as not to make it look like someone else said something.
I do agree with what you said, however. When I lived in KC, I saw people my age driving the fanciest cars and living in the biggest houses. It was hard not to be envious, but I always wondered WHERE/HOW they got their money, or if they were only living on credit card debt. I basically saved no money when I lived in KC (due to living expense), but I was able to work on paying the only debt I had; school loans. So I didn't understand how people could afford to have those things! My envy quickly turned to feelling sorry for them... and the amount of loans/debt they would have to eventually pay off some day.
I also want to clarify my comments from earlier. I didn't say you didn't work hard to get the materials for your bees, or that you shouldn't be paid fair market value for those products. My point was that don't let greed make you think you should mark up the prices on your product (this goes for anyone; not pointing at you specifically) just because "you can" and you have no competition. Of course, business sense would tell you that, too. Too high of prices = no one will buy your product = you will go out of business.
Also, the reason people pay more for home grown items (beef, eggs, honey, etc) is because of the QUALITY. If Walmart sold higher quality beef, then people would expect to pay more for it. But, actually, especially in small towns, you can probably get home-grown items for LESS than Walmart sells them, AND have a higher quality item. Because... drum roll... those people aren't concerned with making millions on their products (greed)... they just want to help provide for their neighbors, while earning a little bit of money for themselves.
Y'know Steve, the whole point of my rant to start with was the greed that makes people basically crazy.........about how greed has taken more than one part of this economy down because CEOS and corporations and yes CITIZENS were not satisfied just to make a comfortable profit...they had to get more and more and more and I was just wondering how much more is ever going to be enough for people like that. Take for instance the king or prince or whatever he is of Saudi Arabia....he's so rich he takes a dump in a solid gold crapper...you reckon it works any better than my old porcelain one does? No it doesn't...and since he has enough that he can use it for a crapper why doesn't he just feed some starvin people or donate it to a hospital or something? Well hell I can answer THAT myself...because he LIKES the thought of somebody knowing he's so rich he has a solid gold crapper lol, the same reason everybody ELSE follows greed...to show off.....which says more about THEM than it does the sad people who DO envy them.....
Envy is the FARTHEST thing from being what it is about. The "if I can't have it nobody can" way of thinking has NO place in my thought process. I don't understand the thought process that is that aquisative and is not satisfied with a nice sized piece of the pie that leaves some pie for the next guy.
I don't covet what anybody has I just wonder what the hell they can do with 900 million dollars that they cant do with ONE! I don't expect you to get it because it looks like we have two different points of view. I do see what you are tryin to say...I just don't roll like that.
QuoteBut, actually, especially in small towns, you can probably get home-grown items for LESS than Walmart sells them, AND have a higher quality item. Because... drum roll... those people aren't concerned with making millions on their products (greed)... they just want to help provide for their neighbors, while earning a little bit of money for themselves.
which is what I meant in a nutshell...thanks Tobina...it SHOULD be that way everywhere
Quote from: Tobina+1 on August 13, 2009, 12:16:11 PM
Actually, that was not a quote by me on Steve's post. Those were your words. Please be careful on using quotes so as not to make it look like someone else said something.
I do agree with what you said, however. When I lived in KC, I saw people my age driving the fanciest cars and living in the biggest houses. It was hard not to be envious, but I always wondered WHERE/HOW they got their money, or if they were only living on credit card debt. I basically saved no money when I lived in KC (due to living expense), but I was able to work on paying the only debt I had; school loans. So I didn't understand how people could afford to have those things! My envy quickly turned to feelling sorry for them... and the amount of loans/debt they would have to eventually pay off some day.
I also want to clarify my comments from earlier. I didn't say you didn't work hard to get the materials for your bees, or that you shouldn't be paid fair market value for those products. My point was that don't let greed make you think you should mark up the prices on your product (this goes for anyone; not pointing at you specifically) just because "you can" and you have no competition. Of course, business sense would tell you that, too. Too high of prices = no one will buy your product = you will go out of business.
Also, the reason people pay more for home grown items (beef, eggs, honey, etc) is because of the QUALITY. If Walmart sold higher quality beef, then people would expect to pay more for it. But, actually, especially in small towns, you can probably get home-grown items for LESS than Walmart sells them, AND have a higher quality item. Because... drum roll... those people aren't concerned with making millions on their products (greed)... they just want to help provide for their neighbors, while earning a little bit of money for themselves.
I was remembering today in trion Georgia they have a manufacturer that makes blue denim. I hauled load after load to millington tennessee to a plant where they make blue jeans. Most folks don't know that that plant makes jeans for wrangler, rustler, and levi as well as the Gap and other businesses. Now there is no difference in these jeans other than cuts and maybe denim weight. But you would pay 40+ dollars for a pair of levis and that same pair of jeans made they would sew in a label for the Gap or for wrangler or rustler and box em up and ship em out. Now the folks making those jeans aren't getting paid anymore for making a pair of levis or a pair of rustler.
Another business i remember was J.Riggins. They were a company that was owned by a high end retailer and for the life of me i cannot remember who it was. But anyway, this company would buy clothes and then sell the same exact garment in both the high end store and the low end store, and set differnet prices and sew in different labels into the garments. They got more in the high end stores selling to the folks that buy designer. Its not a biggie. They capture both markets.
There will always be people that will buy higher priced products based on brand and they would never go to a low end store to buy the same product at a cheaper price. Same is said for folks that buy lowend stores. So the company is business smart and caters to both ends, thus gets higher profits.
All the car companies do the same thing. For example, Gm has the s10 blazer, or the s15 Jimmy same vehicle different prices.
Lastly I would not insult peoples intellegence here in the county by selling honey for a out of sight price. As i mentioned before something like Sourwood honey which you can't get here without importing it from the southeast, sells for 9 dollars a pound or around that even in the area its produced. The reason is the honey flow during that time the trees are in bloom is very short so you do not get a large supply of it and usually most of the sourwood honey produced is sold before its ever bottled.
That drives price up since it is IMO the best tasting honey on the market, and its supply is very limited. Whereas something like goldenrod honey which is very good is always in large supply when the golden rod comes in.
One thing that I know is i can take a bottle of the honey you buy in walmart, or at dillons or any grocery store out there, its pasturized, and its what they called blended, AND THEN they mix it with 40% corn syrup. You can taste the difference immediately. Its about a dollar and a half a pound cheaper but you get what you pay for, and thats corn syrup.
But you know if thats what sue bee honey and other companies want to do then thats fine by me. I don't care. I know that if i produce the top quality honey that i can produce, never water it down, and mark it up a dollar and a half more than the grocery stores, folks will be more than happy to pay for the quality.
And if i make 50 million dollars doing it then thats fine by me too. :D i probably wouldn't spend 50 million but i sure could have one heck of a party for folks when i die, and then leave my children and grandchildren with enough money to provide a top notch education for them to prepare themselves for their future. And being the way i am, i would be helping folks that need help too. No government taxation required. :)
On top of that if i was making 50 million dollars at it, i would be employing a heck of a lot of people too and that would mean a heck of a lot of money for the surrounding area!
Quote from: pamsback on August 13, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
I don't covet what anybody has I just wonder what the hell they can do with 900 million dollars that they cant do with ONE! I don't expect you to get it because it looks like we have two different points of view. I do see what you are tryin to say...I just don't roll like that.
Uhmm You can buy an election with 900 mil and not with 1 million. :)
No i wasn't saying that about you, i was saying that is what is wrong with the country. The politics of envy has taken over.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 13, 2009, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: pamsback on August 13, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
I don't covet what anybody has I just wonder what the hell they can do with 900 million dollars that they cant do with ONE! I don't expect you to get it because it looks like we have two different points of view. I do see what you are tryin to say...I just don't roll like that.
Uhmm You can buy an election with 900 mil and not with 1 million. :)
No i wasn't saying that about you, i was saying that is what is wrong with the country. The politics of envy has taken over.
Lol, you BETTER NOT! I totally agree with the last part tho.
What you said about honey is true too...I grew up on raw wild honey Dad would find when he was loggin and storebought just AIN'T the same. There are a lot of places to buy good honey down here tho, a lot of people have hives. I wish you luck in your venture :)
Really, I get my eggs from a 70 old year woman that just gives them away because she can't use that many. She has the chickens so she has something to do. I in turn make her treats with recipes she finds and thinks sounds good. I also share the eggs with others and I don't charge either.
As far as cleaning up stuff for the material you want, I was taught that you cleaned up as you went when you take the the material you want. Not leaving it for someone else to do.
Quote from: greatguns on August 13, 2009, 04:23:25 PM
Really, I get my eggs from a 70 old year woman that just gives them away because she can't use that many. She has the chickens so she has something to do. I in turn make her treats with recipes she finds and thinks sounds good. I also share the eggs with others and I don't charge either.
As far as cleaning up stuff for the material you want, I was taught that you cleaned up as you went when you take the the material you want. Not leaving it for someone else to do.
Yknow I have found that it tends to freak people out when you just give em stuff or give em a ride without chargin them. I asked the lady at the feed mill if she could use some tomatoes and stuff this mornin and she wanted to know what I was sellin em for...she looked surprised as hell when I said she could just have em if she wanted em cause they were snowin me under! Unloaded some okra too ;D It just saved me from havin to do somethin with it or lettin it go to waste when I already got all I need for now, that's how I look at it anyway.
Again, not disagreeing with you, Steve. Like you stated in an earlier post, people want expensive things just to prove (or make it look) like they can... same goes for your jeans example. (Although in the first part of your example I would have to say that different brands of jeans fit differently, too, and that is why most people buy by brand.)
Please read my post again, I didn't specifically say you were going to price-gouge people... I was using that as an example of people who DO... or big businesses that DO. You basically said the exact same thing that I did about beef. We're arguing in circles.
I do agree with Pam, though, once you get past all the ranting (wink, Pam, you know I enjoy that about you). Basically, she's asking that why can't people be happy/pleased/comfortable with making enough money to get them by (and support family and friends). Like you said, Steve; you can live on what you make. It's greed that makes people buy beyond their means, or price-gouge others just so they can get the fancy car or jet. Hey, if someone has a product that makes them lots of money, GREAT! You can't fault them for having a good idea (just kick yourself for not coming up with it first)! They had to blood, sweat, and tears to make it work, so they should reap what they sow. But it's greed that makes them sell an inferior product at a higher price "just because they can", or slitting someone else's throat to get there.
Rant? WHo me? Nuh-uh ;D LOL
Oh but it is such a good feeling to give something to someone without wanting something in return. I love doing that. On the other hand, I'm not very high on professional bums.
Let's see by my rough calculations Steve and Pam have been ranting for around 31 hours less a few hours of sleep. :laugh: Actually I found this discussion very fascinating. I think they both made some very good points. I also, found that in many instances I could agree with both of them when they were arguing different sides of a seemingly opposing view due to the general nature of their examples. Basically it just reaffirms my belief that very few things are black and white just varying shades of gray. So are you guys done ranting or should we wait for the next two folks to get in the ring. I really enjoyed this thread and I hope Pam and Steve take that as a compliment, as that is what I intend it to be. Thanks Steve and Pam. :)
David
QuoteReally, I get my eggs from a 70 old year woman that just gives them away because she can't use that many. She has the chickens so she has something to do. I in turn make her treats with recipes she finds and thinks sounds good. I also share the eggs with others and I don't charge either.
When we had chickens we gave the eggs away when we had extra - which was usually. We started with the chickens as a 4-H project for the kids, then grew to like the fresh eggs and the "natural" garbage disposal chickens provide. :D
I loved that "natural" garbage disposal. It still hurts to just throw sink garbage away and I can't do it without thinking of the "natural" ways of disposing of it.
Seriously, my previous town, Aurora, Co, population 300,000, recently voted down a citizens' initiative to allow chicken raising in all residential areas.
I think what might have turned the city council off was several herds of black and white cows marching through the city with placards reading "More Chickn" "More Chickn."
(To get the previous statement, one has to frequent Chick Fil A)
Quote from: dnalexander on August 13, 2009, 05:20:02 PM
Let's see by my rough calculations Steve and Pam have been ranting for around 31 hours less a few hours of sleep. :laugh: Actually I found this discussion very fascinating. I think they both made some very good points. I also, found that in many instances I could agree with both of them when they were arguing different sides of a seemingly opposing view due to the general nature of their examples. Basically it just reaffirms my belief that very few things are black and white just varying shades of gray. So are you guys done ranting or should we wait for the next two folks to get in the ring. I really enjoyed this thread and I hope Pam and Steve take that as a compliment, as that is what I intend it to be. Thanks Steve and Pam. :)
David
LOL I think I got it out of my system now :P This was a good one! :)
and thanks :)
Quote from: W. Gray on August 13, 2009, 08:09:10 PM
Seriously, my previous town, Aurora, Co, population 300,000, recently voted down a citizens' initiative to allow chicken raising in all residential areas.
I think what might have turned the city council off was several herds of black and white cows marching through the city with placards reading "More Chickn" "More Chickn."
(To get the previous statement, one has to frequent Chick Fil A)
Angie and I are seriously addicted to Chick Fil A. Have to stop there and have an original anytime we're within five miles, and there are three of them within 30 miles of Gentry!
The first one I patronized was in Oklahoma City in 1978 or so. Could not believe a chicken sandwich could taste so good and there were none in Wichita. (I assume there is now)
At the time, the company specialized in operating only in shopping centers. In recent years, they have opened free standing drive in sites and have several throughout the Denver area.
One would have to admire those folks for sticking to their sixty-three year old policy of not opening on Sundays.
Nope, there isn't any in Wichita.
When I worked at Sears in Town East, there was one 2 or 3 doors north of lower level, center court (coming out of Sears and turning north towards Dillard's). But you're right, their website doesn't list any for Wichita, other than as part of the food cafeteria in the Wichita State University Uniion.
Quote from: W. Gray on August 13, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
The first one I patronized was in Oklahoma City in 1978 or so. Could not believe a chicken sandwich could taste so good and there were none in Wichita. (I assume there is now)
At the time, the company specialized in operating only in shopping centers. In recent years, they have opened free standing drive in sites and have several throughout the Denver area.
One would have to admire those folks for sticking to their sixty-three year old policy of not opening on Sundays.
You know i haven't seen one in wichita. First one i ever ate at was back in early 70's in Atlanta georgia. They started the restaurants there in the malls around the metro area. I don't remember which one was the first one though. Company has been around a long time and they have never opened their doors on a sunday. Company is a christian company that believes that if they operate on the lords day that it will cost them in profits. So far they have been a major success.
Several years ago there was a Chick Fil A at Town West but don't know if it's still there.
Was good eating then, but now I would much rather eat beef than the pen-raised birds.
Srkruzich-
You're outstanding on this thread and I really enjoy your defense of basic American values.
Stay right in there.
rc
When I said it was the best chicken sandwich I had ever ate--I don't think I had ever eaten a chicken sandwich before that time.
I have always thought their recipe was superior to that of the Colonel.
And, that obligatory pickle slice sets it off just right.