BORN IN THE USA?
Rush Limbaugh pummels Obama on birth certificate
Radio giant clowns about president's similarities, differences with God
Posted: June 10, 2009
2:38 pm Eastern
By Joe Kovacs
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Rush Limbaugh
Nationwide attention about President Obama's lack of producing a long-form birth certificate proving his eligibility for office got a boost today when top-rated radio host Rush Limbaugh joked about the subject in comparing Obama to God.
Asking rhetorically what God has in common with Obama, Limbaugh said, "Neither has a birth certificate."
"How do they differ?" Limbaugh continued. "God does not think he's Obama. And there's another difference. Liberals love Obama."
Limbaugh repeated the punch lines several times throughout his show and noted, "another difference is that Obama gets better press. ... Another difference is that God only demands to be worshipped once a week."
Later, he sprinkled in other differences, including:
God asks for only 10 percent of your money
God gives you freedom to live your life as you choose
God's plan to save us is actually written down for you to read
If you want more http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100717
Put your uncertainly aside folks...
FINALLY!!!!!
PROOF that Obama was born in USA!!!
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj216/marshalette/Birth_Cert.jpg)
Still say he is an invalid President. He won't show his true birth certificate, and has spent $947,000 dollars fighting this issue. Almost $100,000.00 !!
Does it honestly take a rocket scientist to figure out WHY? How deep does the sand pit have to be before some people
decide not to keep their head buried in it?
Here is an interesting website for those of you who are interested..
http://www.obamacrimes.info/index.htmljust one of the videos on this site.
There is going to be that population that will never listen, Teresa, but God bless you for trying. :angel: :angel:
The majority of the population won't listen and don't care for a simple reason. The entire argument isn't relevant. This has been brought up on these forums at least 4 times already and it seems like the people who keep posting this aren't listening either.
Once again, lets say for the sake of argument that Obama was born outside of the USA. Fine. The US supreme court has interprested the law to mean that in order to run for pres, you have to be a 'Natural Born Citizen' This issue came up when McCain ran for pres the first time, because he wasn't born in the US either. The ruling states that you have to have been born of American Parent(s). Remember that Obama's mother is an American citizen from Kansas. That makes him a natural born citizen, whether he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or the north pole.
Furthermore, if this whole thing goes through and by some miracle he's declared unfit to be pres, we are all stuck with Joe Biden. Do you reall want that?
Well.. Diane would like it.. ;D
Isn't relevant my ass, if he is natural born why won't he produce his birth certificate?
So why don't somebody just go to hawaii and look it up? It's public record.
No it isn't.. They have "sealed" his documents..
Said it is an "invasion of his privacy"..
What it is...is the fact that he is hiding a lie......... you don't spend 100 grand to keep a common legitimate document hidden.. unless it's something that would bury you!
He is such a slime ball POS!
Quote from: pamsback on June 18, 2009, 08:44:09 PM
So why don't somebody just go to hawaii and look it up? It's public record.
When I applied for the military, it was my responsibility to provide proof of citizenship. Also, any other job I had it was my responsibility to provide proof that I was legally able to work in the U.S. It was not the job of my employer.
Quote from: Anmar on June 18, 2009, 02:13:17 PMOnce again, lets say for the sake of argument that Obama was born outside of the USA. Fine. The US supreme court has interprested the law to mean that in order to run for pres, you have to be a 'Natural Born Citizen' This issue came up when McCain ran for pres the first time, because he wasn't born in the US either. The ruling states that you have to have been born of American Parent(s). Remember that Obama's mother is an American citizen from Kansas. That makes him a natural born citizen, whether he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or the north pole.
Incorrect. Under the law at the time of his birth, his mother was too young to confer citizenship to him.
Quoteyou don't spend 100 grand
You don't spend nearly 1 million :o
Quote from: mtcookson on June 19, 2009, 09:34:21 AM
Incorrect. Under the law at the time of his birth, his mother was too young to confer citizenship to him.
there is no age restriction
Quote from: Anmar on June 19, 2009, 10:18:01 AMthere is no age restriction
According to the law at that time, if Obama was born outside of the United States and only one parent was a U.S. citizen (his mom), she needed to have lived in the U.S. for 5 years above the age of 16 to confer natural born citizenship. Since she gave birth to him at the age of 18 there is no possible way for Obama to be a natural born citizen without having been born in the United States.
His mother was born in the USA, not a naturalized citizen.
Where are you getting this age thing? Five years above the age of 16. Is that for natural born citizens like me? If so, two of my daughters are not natural born citizens. Show us your source. It is the first time I have heard this. I thought Hawaii was a state when Obama was born. When did Hawaii become a state and when was Obama born?
I answered my own question. Hawaii became a state August 21, 1959. Obama was born August 4, 1961, almost two years after Hawaii became a state. Is he not therefore, a natural born citizen? What is the question? Hasn't it been answered?
I'll never let this go ..until he comes up with what he is supposed to have...
You can bet if this was George Bush's college transcript, it would be all over the news. We may yet get rid of this spawn of a kookie Kansan and a Maumau Kenyan of mostly Arab extraction.
Well, we shall see just how quickly this gets shut down!!
I haven't heard a whisper in the press!
Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 7:55 PM
AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.
The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking.
Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.
Britain 's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K.
In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.
Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending.
This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. (You hiding something Mr. Not-Really-Our-President?) Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.
You haven't heard about it because the article isn't accurate.
From http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a407.htm
QuoteNo. 08A407
Title:
Leo C. Donofrio, Applicant
v.
Nina Mitchell Wells, New Jersey Secretary of State
Docketed:
Lower Ct: Supreme Court of New Jersey
Case Nos.: (AM-0153-08T2 at the New Jersey Appellate Division without a docket number)
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A407) for stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 6 2008 Application (08A407) denied by Justice Souter.
Nov 14 2008 Application (08A407) refiled and submitted to Justice Thomas.
Nov 19 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008.
Nov 19 2008 Application (08A407) referred to the Court by Justice Thomas.
Nov 26 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Leo C. Donofrio filed. (Distributed)
Dec 1 2008 Letter from applicant dated November 22, 2008, received.
Dec 8 2008 Application (08A407) denied by the Court.
Well sure they are debunking it.
Every application that anyone has filed against him has been dropped. Not because for any other reason that he is being protected..
If this was anyone else.. and I mean ANYONE else.. they would have clawed their way through a mouse infested crack to get to the bottom of this.. but every time any piece of documentation is submitted.. it is immediately thrown in the trash..
It makes me so damned frustrated that I could stroke out! The blind idiocy is just un-frickin-believable! :(
Quote from: Teresa on July 07, 2009, 12:48:31 PM
Well sure they are debunking it.
Every application that anyone has filed against him has been dropped. Not because for any other reason that he is being protected..
If this was anyone else.. and I mean ANYONE else.. they would have clawed their way through a mouse infested crack to get to the bottom of this.. but every time any piece of documentation is submitted.. it is immediately thrown in the trash..
It makes me so damned frustrated that I could stroke out! The blind idiocy is just un-frickin-believable! :(
they say insanity is repeating the same task over and over and expecting a different result. I don't know if you aren't reading my posts on this issue, or if you don't understand them. You say if ANYONE else was in this situation.... Like i keep telling you, there was someone else in this situation, in fact it's happened several times. John McCain was in this situation and he had pretty much the same result. If you ask me, the idiocy lies with the people who expect something to come out of these challenges. They refuse to study the past historical cases. They refuse to recognize that the law has been interpreted in such a way that it doesn't matter where you are born. Let me say it again. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE HE WAS BORN. His mother was an American citizen, thus he is a Natural Born Citizen, Just as McCain was born in Panama to an American mother.
Obama is our president As a group, think of it as punishment for not standing up to your own party leaders when they turned their backs on their ideals.
If that SOB was in fact born in hawaii then he should put an end to this and show is freakin birth certificate. But no, he doesn't do that because he has something to hide. he wouldn't have spend as much money has he has on this if he had a legit standing.
Logical and rational linear thinkers believe the issue can be resolved by
Obama answering one simple question:
What passport did he use when he was shuttling between
New York, Jakarta, and Karachi?
So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981,
without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with
the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?
And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and
Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and
Immigration?
The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions,
they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a
rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible.
Pakistan was on the U..S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
Conclusion:
When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a
British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof
that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.
And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to
prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British
or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2AcNp8e1h0
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104599 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104599)
I thought the above link was interesting, check it out.
Also, they should have changed the name of that youtube video to "Chris Matthews doesn't support or believe in the Constitution"
Billy, i read the article. Never trust an article that says something along the lines of "officials at the state department said" and then doesn't name the officials or at least says the officials refused to be identified. For all we know, they could be quoting the janitor. Here are some key phrases from the article that need further attention.
QuoteThe lawsuits include contentions Obama was born in Kenya, wasn't a "natural born" citizen because of his father's Kenyan citizenship, was a dual citizen and that his mother wasn't old enough to transmit citizenship at birth.
As i've mentioned repeatedly, the supreme court has said in previous cases that a person need only have an American parent, regardless of where they are born, to be a citizen. This is how the law has been interpreted before Obama was even a senator. Under this interpretation, even if all these claims are true, he is still a natural born citizen. The whole mother's age thing was concoted as a defense against this argument, but a mother is a mother, no matter how old she is.
QuoteIn fact, Hawaiian Health Director Chiyome Fukino previously made a public statement about the controversy:
"I, and Dr. Alvin Onaka have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino's statement said.
But the statement didn't reveal what the document contains, nor has any clarification ever been released.
This is the point that Chris Mathews was making in his interview. You have the short form birtch certificate, you have people in the Hawaiian government saying that there is a long form certificate on file, yet the author of the article still tries to raise controversy. Have you ever asked yourself why?
QuoteAccording to Jerry Fuller and Mike Persons of the passport services division of the U.S. State Department, a document such as the online COLB could be acceptable to prove U.S. citizenship for the purposes of getting a passport if it contains a certain number of components, such as time and date of birth, location and name.
Here they actually name officials, and those officials say that the form that we have all seen is valid and proves his citizenship. The only ones who contradict this are the unknown and unnamed "officials"
QuoteRobert Klein Engler, who writes at Chronwatch-America.com, said he called the State Department to ask about obtaining a U.S. passport with only a "Certification of Live Birth."
"I was told flat out, 'No!'" he told WND.
Now the author is using heresay as a source. Poor poor journalism. In fact, this is how i and my brothers got our passports.
QuoteThe document contrasts with an actual Hawaii birth certificate from 1963 (the same era as Obama's birth), which while redacted includes detailed information documenting a birth, including the name of the birth hospital and the attending physician.
This section where they show the two forms is intenionally misleading. Look under the two pictures and read the heading. You will notice that the labels are different. One is a short form and the other is a long form. Of course they are going to look different, they are different forms. That doesn't mean that one is valid and the other isn't, as the article suggests. Downright irresponsible.
QuoteRon Polarik, who holds a Ph.D. in instructional media specializing in computer technology such as printers, scanners and digital imaging, has posted a YouTube explanation of the problems he sees.
This one is easy. For every expert saying one thing, you can find 200 experts saying something else. check out http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html
And lastly, how does chris mathews hate the constitution? As i recall, he was one of the few journalists that had the balls to stand up against Bush's war in Iraq, because there was no actual declaration of war by congress.
This is just proving that there have been 12 times that CONGRESS APPROVED GOING TO WAR, JUST DIDN'T FORMALLY DECLARE WAR....Imho, Chris Mathews is a homo that gets a thrill up his leg from the annointed one...and his show sucks too.
In twelve instances, the United States has engaged in extended military engagements that were explicitly authorized by Congress, short of a formal declaration of war.
War or conflict Opponent(s) Initial authorization Votes President Conclusion
Senate House
Quasi-War France Act Further to Protect the Commerce of the United States
July 9, 1798 J. Adams Convention of 1800 (Treaty of Mortefontaine)
First Barbary War Barbary States 1801 Jefferson
Second Barbary War Barbary States 1815[citation needed] Madison
Raid of slave traffic Africa 1820[citation needed]
Redress for attack on U.S. Navy vessel Paraguay 1859[citation needed] Buchanan
Intervention during the Russian Civil War Bolshevist Russia 1918[citation needed] Wilson
Lebanon crisis of 1958 Rebels 1958[citation needed] Eisenhower
Vietnam War National Liberation Front, later Democratic Republic of Vietnam Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, August 7, 1964 88-2 416-0 Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon American Force withdrew.
Multinational Force in Lebanon Shia and Druze miltias; Syria S.J.R. 159
September 29, 1983 54-46 253-156 Reagan Force withdrew in 1984
Persian Gulf War, also known as Operation Desert Storm Iraq H.R.J. Res. 77
January 12, 1991 52-47 250-183 George H. W. Bush The United Nations Security Council drew up terms for the cease-fire, April 3, 1991
2001 war in Afghanistan, also known as Operation Enduring Freedom Taliban government of Afghanistan and al-Qaeda S.J. Res. 23
September 14, 2001 98-0 420-1 George W. Bush, Barack Obama Ongoing
Iraq War, also known as Operation Iraqi Freedom Iraq H.J. Res. 114,
October 16, 2002 77-23 296-133 Ongoing
I guess you misunderstood the question. This is about Obama being born in the USA. You posted an article claiming that the argument Chris Mathews used wasn't true, when in fact the article backs up Mathews' opinion. You also claim that Mathews hates the constitution. I ask
QuoteAnd lastly, how does chris mathews hate the constitution? As i recall, he was one of the few journalists that had the balls to stand up against Bush's war in Iraq, because there was no actual declaration of war by congress.
Now the best thing you can come up with is that he's a "homo" Please, gimme a break. Didn't you complain about personal attacks in a different thread? I'm sure you can do better, lets give it another try. What makes you think that he hates the constitution?