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Title: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: redcliffsw on May 21, 2009, 05:21:13 PM

Does Obama want more new roles for a U.S. Supreme Court justice?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=98586







Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Varmit on May 21, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
You know, it really surprises me sometimes (although by now it shouldn't) just how unqualified obama is.  I would like for a reporter to ask him if he has actually ever read the Constitution.
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 21, 2009, 07:57:10 PM
I read that article and found the comparison to football and referees very odd. Football is a game, nothing more...players try to cheat....referees make mistakes too. Our Constitution is 'way more important than that!
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Varmit on May 21, 2009, 08:02:44 PM
Let me ask you this diane, if it is the job of supreme court justices to interpet and apply the law equally, why do they need to empathize with young teenage mothers, blacks, gays etc?  The law should apply equally to all regardless of circumstance.
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 21, 2009, 09:08:30 PM
It would sure seem so. I'm not sure what he was after.
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: redcliffsw on May 22, 2009, 06:13:27 AM

Here's a good read from a another black.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=97147



Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 22, 2009, 09:06:55 AM
Eeh, I still don't care for throwing "traitor" around so easily. Bush's Rep's should have looked into Souter much more closely if they wanted someone who would toe the party line. From that point of view, he was a big mistake. He swore to uphold the constitution, not the president. I still don't like the name calling and labeling. With some of these writers, to me, it's as if they don't think their message will be as strong or persuasive without the nasty rhetoric. I guess its just me.
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: sixdogsmom on May 22, 2009, 09:14:31 AM
It's not 'just you' Diane; these messages are nasty for the most part. I watched some of Ann Coulter last night, and her arguments were just a long string of insults, and not one constructive thing. It is a big mistake to think that hurling insult after insult is constructive. I do not like to watch or read anyone/ anything that is so completely negative.  :P :P
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 22, 2009, 09:23:08 AM
Yes, I can't imagine what Souter living with his mother and not having his own wife and children had to do with anything. Were we supposed to read between the lines and assume the man is gay? Or what?
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: jerry wagner on May 22, 2009, 10:09:37 AM
And how would it be relevant that he is gay?  He is just as qualified of an individual irregardless of his sexual preference if that were the case.
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Varmit on May 22, 2009, 10:38:07 AM
Actually, he is not as qualified, and his record shows that.  His sexual prefrence is irrelevent. 
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 22, 2009, 04:00:58 PM
I'll repeat my question. Why was it mentioned that he lives with his mother and has no wife and kids of his own....so what!?
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: redcliffsw on May 22, 2009, 04:55:57 PM

Diane-
So?  Why do you question the mention of it by the black writer?
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: sixdogsmom on May 22, 2009, 05:43:57 PM
And why oh why do you Always mention a Black whatever? An intelligent person writes, speaks, or blogs no matter the color of the skin. Black has nothing to do with anything.
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 22, 2009, 06:18:12 PM
I don't care if the writer is pink with purple polka dots. Red mentioned his race, I didn't. It doesn't matter! Why would ANY writer put Souter's living arrangements in the article. It has nothing to do with his, or anybody else's, qualifications!!!! Why is it there?
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Varmit on May 23, 2009, 01:49:04 AM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 22, 2009, 06:18:12 PM
It doesn't matter! Why would ANY writer put Souter's living arrangements in the article. It has nothing to do with his, or anybody else's, qualifications!!!! Why is it there?

Why did you mention the fact that teen Palains boyfriend moved out, if its not important? 

Quote from: sixdogsmom on May 22, 2009, 06:48:06 PM
I There are folks in the world that might just question the way each of us live and work. But that is between us and our maker. And certainly skin color should never be mentioned in qualifications for anything. Red Always says that such and such comes from a 'black' writer, as though it is amazing that a black person had a thought much less one they agree with.

I agree, to a point.  A persons home life is their own, and should stay that way, so long as it is legal.  However, a person who is a public servant is answerable to the public.  A supreme court justice is sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution, if his work record doesn't reflect that then he should't hold that job. 
I think that Red mentions race only to illustrate the fact that there are some black folks who do not support obama, contary to popular belief.  I have never read where Red said anything negative about someone simply because of race.
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 23, 2009, 08:24:26 AM
Billy, Bristol Palin's situation is a whole world less important than nominating a Supreme Court Justice and the discussions that always swirl around that. Her mom made her daughter newsworthy, not I. I just felt bad that Bristol, as so many others, became an unmarried mom at a very young age. It was almost predictable....and sad. That's a real stretch to try to make a comparison. It's apples and oranges. Edie, I knew you didn't mean me.
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Varmit on May 23, 2009, 09:59:04 AM
If I recall, it was the media that made Bristol newsworthy, not her mother.  It was the media that attacked Sarah Palin for having a pregnant unwed daughter when she stated that she stood on conservative principles.  Yet, very little attention was paid to obama when he didn't want his daughters "punished with a baby just because they made a mistake".

But all that really, is beside the point.  Which is that a supreme court justice doesn't need empathy, or to understand what it is like to be black, or poor or whatever.   What they need is to be able to read and apply the Consititution and administer Justice blindly and fairly.
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 23, 2009, 01:46:01 PM
The media sure didn't help the situation. As long as there is at least one woman on the supreme court, I'll agree. ;) Speaking of the Constitution, have you ever read a newspaper copy of the time where some of the letters are written differently from what they are now? It can be tricky to read. At least it was in English so we don't have to rely on a translator. There are some sections that have changed and been bent over the years, but most have escape clauses.
Title: Re: Empathy & Supreme Court Justices
Post by: Varmit on May 24, 2009, 04:15:42 AM
Yes, I have actually, and its not all that tricky.  Even a person with remedial reading skills can figure it out.  What does that have to do with anything?