Senate Bill 787 will change federal jurisdiction over "navigable" water, to give the federal government control over all water everywhere, in municipal reservoirs, and on private lands, and in private wells. This bill ignores state water law authority and the Fifth Amendment.of the U.S. Constitution,.......
The federal government now has a bill in process that will expand the definition of "navigable waters of the United States," to simply "waters of the United States." This will mean that all water, everywhere, belongs to the federal government. The bill also defines the land, on and under which water flows, to be the waters of the United States. The bill also explicitly authorizes federal regulation of all "activity that affects" the water of the United States or the land on which it may fall. Henry Lamb has prepared this short video to expose this Great Water Heist.
They want to take total control over Farming.
Now they want total control over all bodies of water too. >:(
That's not good news. We sure have a lot of Congressmen whose minds
are geared towards socialism.
If they get away with taking control of private waters, the next step is mineral rights, and then land ownership altogether.
Sponsored by Feingold, but do check out the list of co-sponsors - it's a veritable who's who of whack jobs and known fascists.
The SOS list, and I DON'T mean sh!t on a Shingle. :police:
Sponsor
* Sen. Russell Feingold [D, WI]
* and 23 Co-Sponsors
o Sen. Barbara Boxer [D, CA]
o Sen. Sherrod Brown [D, OH]
o Sen. Maria Cantwell [D, WA]
o Sen. Benjamin Cardin [D, MD]
o Sen. Thomas Carper [D, DE]
o Sen. Christopher Dodd [D, CT]
o Sen. Richard Durbin [D, IL]
o Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand [D, NY-20]
o Sen. John Kerry [D, MA]
o Sen. Herbert Kohl [D, WI]
o Sen. Frank Lautenberg [D, NJ]
o Sen. Patrick Leahy [D, VT]
o Sen. Carl Levin [D, MI]
o Sen. Joseph Lieberman [I, CT]
o Sen. Robert Menéndez [D, NJ]
o Sen. Jeff Merkley [D, OR]
o Sen. John Reed [D, RI]
o Sen. Bernard Sanders [I, VT]
o Sen. Charles Schumer [D, NY]
o Sen. Jeanne Shaheen [D, NH]
o Sen. Debbie Ann Stabenow [D, MI]
o Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse [D, RI]
o Sen. Ron Wyden [D, OR]
Here is text of the bill:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.787:
QuoteThe term `waters of the United States' means all waters subject to the ebb and flow of the tide, the territorial seas, and all interstate and intrastate waters and their tributaries, including lakes, rivers, streams (including intermittent streams), mudflats, sandflats, wetlands, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows, playa lakes, natural ponds, and all impoundments of the foregoing, to the fullest extent that these waters, or activities affecting these waters, are subject to the legislative power of Congress under the Constitution.'.
(9) `ground waters' are treated separately from `waters of the United States' for purposes of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act and are not considered `waters of the United States' under this Act;
(13)(A) as set forth in section 6, nothing in this Act modifies or otherwise affects the amendments made by the Clean Water Act of 1977 (Public Law 95-217; 91 Stat. 1566) to the Federal Water Pollution Control Act that exempted certain activities, such as farming, silviculture, and ranching activities, as well as agricultural stormwater discharges and return flows from oil, gas, and mining operations and irrigated agriculture, from particular permitting requirements;
Didn't some years back the UN was proposing that we (Government) do this. It was defeated (no, not the 'sea treaty')
Anyone have a better (clearer) memory?
That thing goes all the way back to 1972. It has to do with water pollution and the Clean Water Restorative Act. 2007 ,2007. It's trying to keep water POLLUTION under control. "They" aren't going to turn off your tap. As long as you aren't dumping something nasty that could poison a whole aquifer or your local river, I don't think you have anything to worry about. We have a lot of wetlands here that are nurseries for baby fish, so we have to be very watchful for industrial pollution. We also have Bombay Hook that has fresh and brackish water that is on the migratory flyway for migrating birds up and down the east coast.
Perhaps it's nothing to you but our property rights are taken with
this kind of Federal ownership & control.
And what is your proposal for controlling pollution?
Red, correct me if I'm wrong, but ag. and ranching and such are still exempted, and our farms here are our biggest polluters. They are trying very hard to do better. What kind of property rights are you talking about? We don't pour oils, gasoline, kerosene, oil based paint, fertilizers and such into our gutters because it washes into the storm sewers which eventually goes into the creeks that are a drinking water source for somebody.
I'm not so sure this is a result of the need to control water pollution...I have a feeling that it has more to do with people like Warren Buffett, who are going out and buying up water rights en masse. If this legislation is passed, it would possibly negate Mr. Buffett's right to keep those water rights. Hmmmmmmmmmm...Who do I trust less? Warren? Or Big Bro? I couldn't possibly answer that question.
Tersea, this shouldn't really come as a surprise, given the socialist bent of our current administration. The aren't going to be happy until they control every aspect of our lives.
Speaking of water rights, Catwoman-
The Feds have been buying water rights from farmers in western KS. In the future,
do not be surprised that the "big dogs" are buying & owning the water rights.
In my opinion the Feds should not be owning land, water rights or mineral
rights in this country - states ought to have the ownership, if any.
The Feds could own their Post offices and forts - at least until a
state seceded.........
Cat, I was thinking about what you were saying about Warren Buffet and I'll bet you are right. He has been saying for some time that water is the new oil. He could position himself to make huge amounts of money and still keep water prices reasonable. That's one guy who could upgrade Howard's water system out of pocket change. I doubt he would bother with small towns. But, that's part of free enterprise. Red, you'd love Delaware. We are the only state that doesn't have a national park...yet. So why are the western Kansas folks selling their water rights? They don't simply say no? What's the rest of the story?
T. Boone Pickens has been buying massive amounts of water rights for years.
Guys, I was wrong...Massively wrong...It's not Warren Buffett...It IS T. Boone Pickens who has been wheeling and dealing in water rights...Thanks, Frank, for jogging my memory and setting me back on the straight path...We'll hope that path doesn't lead to any further embarrassment! lol If my memory doesn't start improving, I'm going to start thinking that I'm in the early stages of Old Timers! lol
WELL, that's what I get for listening to friends! ;D ;D ;D No harm done. I remembered it wrong too. Right idea, wrong Kabillonaire.
Quote from: Catwoman on May 13, 2009, 03:30:42 PM
Guys, I was wrong...Massively wrong...It's not Warren Buffett...It IS T. Boone Pickens who has been wheeling and dealing in water rights...Thanks, Frank, for jogging my memory and setting me back on the straight path...We'll hope that path doesn't lead to any further embarrassment! lol If my memory doesn't start improving, I'm going to start thinking that I'm in the early stages of Old Timers! lol
Cat, I thought you were just testing us to see if we were paying attention and reading all of the post.
Oh, if only I could claim such foresight...Nope...It's just my swiss cheese memory...That particular bit of information fell through one of those stupid holes! ::) ::) ::) ::)
It seems that the Feds paid $200,000 or so, for 160 acres for water rights out west.
Might be a reason for a landowner to sell, but I won't be surprised that later the Fed's sell or lease those same water rights
to the "big dogs".
Diane, it's good to know the Fed's do not own any national parks in Delaware, but how much other land do they
own that they ought to divest?
The city of Wichita has $500,000,000.00 worth of property commercial, industrial, and residential. Most of it is misclassified and the new manager doesn't see it as a revenue stream because of the depressed economy.
Misclassified how? And, what types of businesses does it encompass?
Red, not much of Delaware is federally owned. The Corp. of Army Engineers has the big Chesapeake and Delaware Canal that is a major shipping route and of course the Dover Air Force Base with its big military morgue. I can't think of anything else. We're too small to be of much interest. But we do have lots of historic interest, great museums and places to visit. People to the north and farm land to the south. I think we're about 64% farml and. Now here's a question for you. On which side of the Mason Dixon line are we? It's right up the road from me.
The way you asked the question, I'd say you're on the South side of the Mason-Dixon line.
It seems like I read there were some men from Delaware who served in the CSA, so you all
might have some Southerners living there.
Quote from: Catwoman on May 13, 2009, 04:48:05 PM
Misclassified how? And, what types of businesses does it encompass?
It is from land development deals and property along construction projects. Misclassified such as land set aside for wetlands classified as commercial or industial. It is the types of assets that are overlooked when the economy is good and looked down upon when times are tight.
Water rights are going to be more valuable than land rights by the end of my generation. Control is power and power is money.
Red, Delaware had GAR and CSA. Actually we are east of the Mason Dixon line. It starts just up the road from me and goes west. It's a great trivia question.