POTUS has been officially charged with TREASON!
For the first time in our History a sitting POTUS has been officially charged with TREASON!
For immediate release... 5/1/09 Everyone seeing this needs to call the Tennessee US Attorneys office and demand ACTION, further, all Circuit court Judges who we serve our indictments to need to be handed a copy of this Criminal Complaint. Our Government is sitting on this. Failure to act means they are complicit.
You wanted a smoking gun? Here it is.
This has been validated as authentic.
( this link takes you to actual documents...)
http://www.riseupforamerica.com/
http://ucmjdefense.blogspot.com/2009/03/court-martial-attorney-fede...
Court Martial Attorney - Federal criminal complaint contends Obama ineligible
Michael Waddington is a court martial lawyer - court martial attorney that defends military personnel worldwide as well as deployed civilian contractors subject to the UCMJ. He defends Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, Coast Guard, and civilian contractor court martial cases. He has successfully defended military personnel as a court martial lawyer Army Navy Marine & Air Force court martials in Germany, England, Italy, Iraq, Kuwait, Korea, Okinawa, Japan, Yokota, and throughout the United States.
military-defense-lawyer-recent cases.htm.
The Secret Service from Knoxville showed up at the Commander's home 2 days later March 19th...He showed them all the documents. They were cordial....and wished him well........They know the Commander has standing or they would have arrested him on the spot.......This puts aka obama in a very hard spot..he has to prove he is legitimate in that the Commander was NOT and HAS NOT BEEN ARRESTED.....IT IS NOW ON DELAY AND STALL STATUS.....spread this all over the net......exposure is necessary !!!!!!
We need this before the DEPT OF JUSTICE !!!!
Eastern DivisionSupreme Court Building505 Main St, Suite 200Knoxville, TN 37902(865) 594-6700
From http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/profiles/blogs/potus-has-been-officially
The term is accused of treason. To be charged with treason it would have to come from the Federal government. Then innocent until proven guilty.
David
There is an odd "cause and effect" thing with that. How does the fact that the writer was not arrested prove that his accusations are true? Failure to act doesn't mean complicity just because someone says so, and pray tell what does the "class of 1975" have to do with anything? He certainly has his right to free speech, and there is a process to do what he wants to do, but I don't think it would come of anything. I recall Nixon being accused of all sorts of things by all manner of writers during Watergate. If there was anything to this wouldn't the Supreme court have done something by now? The word treason can't be tossed around lightly.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 04, 2009, 05:59:42 PM
There is an odd "cause and effect" thing with that. How does the fact that the writer was not arrested prove that his accusations are true?
Because if his accusations were not true, he would be arrested for making false accusations.
Isn't there a process that has to be gone through before anyone can be arrested? Something like a warrant? Can an arrest be made from just simply questioning someone? And to be charged with false accusation, I think the accusation has to be made and the accused brought to trial and found innocent before the false accusation charge can be made. Now all you lawerly types, tell me if I am wrong.
You're wrong, What about the AIG executives that were punished ex post facto style?
Besides, that lawyer is military, trust me they don't need a warrant to arrest someone.
My comment had to do with POTUS\ Obama being charged with treason. I read Teresa's text and clicked on the links. Some where I missed something because the posts after that make no sense to me. I will re-read and follow the links again. I will also do a google search. Sorry if I jumped the gun. I was just going by the title. Maybe I missed some of the strory.
David
Billy, AIG was contract law wasn't it? I thought that was part of the difficulty. They had contracts. Supposedly it was immoral but not illegal. Treason wasn't mentioned was it? Some of them were shamed into giving their bonuses back. Accusing a sitting president of treason would be tough. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy and all that is more than just opinion. Why wouldn't a military lawyer not need a court marshal order to arrest someone. I'm an expert, I watch NCIS. :laugh:
Diane, I was refering to wilmas post. AIG exec. had a contract to recieve those bonuses before AIG was given the money. Congress went after them "after the fact". The point being is that this adminstration can do basically anything it wants.
Speaking from expirence, in the military you are pretty much guilty until proven innocent.
Most administrations can pretty much do what they want. ;)
Well, if that is the case, why was Bush ripped a new one by the media every time he turned around?
Because a lot of people thought he took us to war in Iraq over oil and hid behind non existent WMD to do it and wanted to please his Daddy who was and still is connected to big oil dealings. I've heard that a lot, and from disillusioned Repubs. too. It started out well after our attacks after 9-11 and then seemed to turn into something personal, as a number of people told me. I'm not sure how I feel about it.
I'm going to be listening to the blogtalk and see what they say and keep researching.
But this could/should bring things to a head - one way or another. If one way, there will be racial rioting in the streets no matter even if true, the other will only make him stronger and more treacherous.
And IF.........
BHO is found guilty and removed............ we need to make sure things are repaired correctly - that means NOT handing the reins to Biden either. The whole process is invalidated all the way back to the election (before?) no matter what those in power say. All currently in office, laws passed, EO's written etc. are null & void. The election must be redone as well as the 'stolen' seats in various states. Monies must be refunded, not used by the parties etc. It's a big mess with no precedent - more lawyer's jobs for years.
Personally, I do not believe that there is any way to remove him from office until he is either voted out or he term limits out. At least any other way that I see would work that doesn't involve violence. And the violence side of it? I don't want to see that, if for no other reason than it would be an excuse (another one) to come after honest, law abiding gun owners.
No......although I am sure this is legit... I do think we are just stuck with him.
I will do my part in writing and letting my voice be heard.. but I too doubt we will get this idiot out of office.
I think that if he is caught red handed..they will look the other way..........
You know what really scares me if Obama and Biden were removed from office? Pelosi is next in line. You're right, Teresa, this is a bigger mess than just removing the president will cure. But the mess was started years ago, not with just the present administration or the previous one. And since I have voted in every election for many, many years, you could say I am as much to blame as anyone, except that I haven't heard anything against the people that I voted for.
Personally, I think that if obama is removed, his entire cabinet should be removed. Yeah it would be a mess, but I think a necessary one.
Ok I have reread the post. Followed the llinks. Done my google search. The question of Obama being a natural born citizen will never come to pass in the courts. The Supreme court is refusing to hear the cases. The group doing this calls themselves the American Grand Jury. They can accuse anyone of anything and call themselves whatever they want. After checking citizen formed Grand Jury rules most of them have no legal standing in their States. Only six states have the ability to have citizen formed grand juries. The US federal court do not recognize them There are some valid legal challenges that may have legal basis, but I doubt they will lead to anything. As for the wacko, nut job, terrorists that think the Magna Carte has any standing in US law and they can seize land and imprison the government prosecutors, judges, etc. You guys are way overreacting. Yes our founder fathers were in the same position when they decided to not follow the King;s rule.This is not the same situation. You need to follow our laws which are much better than the Kings. None of you have the conviction and moral standing that our founding fathers had. When you are convicted of treason, shot, bit by dogs, maced, hit by rubber bullets, or killed for your actions, I hope you realize the errors of your ways. That being said there are some very esoteric laws and procedures that can be followed to legally seek justice. I do not support your violent threats. You are not on the same moral ground as our forefathers. Enjoy your time in hell idiots.
David
David, try goggleing the Constitution, Bill of Rights. Our Founders fought for freedom from an oppesive gov't, we are no different. And don't worry I don't include you when I say "We". You do not understand the cost of freedom because you are not willing to pay it.
I don't mind being killed standing up and defending my freedom, country. I do not want to, but I will. I believe that during the course of our evolution as a country, should the need of Revolution arise, we should question it, look for peaceful alternatives. However, when those that would oppress us, laugh at our attempts to be heard, scoff at our Constitution, seek to silence our voice, and strip us of our liberties then they leave us no choice. It is not with a light heart that we would take up this burden. But take it up we must. It must be embraced with a conviction that is unrivaled and unmovable. For those that would question our conviction, they do so only because their love of America and its promise of freedom is but a speck and not worthy to stand in our shadow. They say that they want freedom, but lack the devotion necessary to defend it. They say that they want Liberty, but are unwilling to fight to keep it. They say that peace is the only way, because they have not the Courage to find another. These are not the types that we should seek after to join our ranks, but rather seperate ourselves from. Let us forget their meek and timid spirit.
David, can you name some current leaders you see to be on the same moral high ground as our forefathers?
Billy you did not understand my post. As for me needing to google the Constitution, Bill of Rights it is unnecessary. I understand it as well as anyone on here and better than most. Go back and reread my post. As for fighting an oppressive government that needs to be overthrown I will be willing to pay the price. You did not understand my post. Sorry. I cant help you. Do not ever question my patriotism again. If you want clarification on what I said ask a specific question and I will be more than happy to answer.
David
Quote from: redcliffsw on May 05, 2009, 08:16:04 PM
David, can you name some current leaders you see to be on the same moral high ground as our forefathers?
No there are not any.
David
Teresa is right in that the only thing that would be accomplished by taking up arms would be someone taking the arms away from us. That can't happen. We must do whatever we have to do to keep our firearms, as paltry as mine is, but it just isn't right for the citizens to be without firearms. And don't ask me why. This is just something that I feel.
David, WOW.
David,
I really don't understand where it is you are coming from. You write with precieved conviction that what you are saying is true. Our Forefathers did what they did because they were unhappy with the king and the laws he put in effect. To me that is alot like today. From what I have read on the post many of the people, who post here, are not happy with what is going on today. I think it is great that they have the courge to say how they feel and not fall for everything that the media has to tell them.
I know that I am new and haven't posted all that much but in this instance I have to agree with BillyakaVarmit. Freedom came at a great cost and if things continue the way they seem to be we may have to pay a price again. I have children and don't want to lose them to war or terrorist. With that said I aslo don't wish to raise them in a country that has forgotten its past or how great it is.
Quote from: darkangel on May 05, 2009, 08:29:15 PM
David,
I really don't understand where it is you are coming from. You write with precieved conviction that what you are saying is true. Our Forefathers did what they did because they were unhappy with the king and the laws he put in effect. To me that is alot like today. From what I have read on the post many of the people, who post here, are not happy with what is going on today. I think it is great that they have the courge to say how they feel and not fall for everything that the media has to tell them.
I know that I am new and haven't posted all that much but in this instance I have to agree with BillyakaVarmit. Freedom came at a great cost and if things continue the way they seem to be we may have to pay a price again. I have children and don't want to lose them to war or terrorist. With that said I aslo don't wish to raise them in a country that has forgotten its past or how great it is.
Nothing I said disagrees with your statement. Your comment has nothing to do with the topic of Obama being accused of treason.
David
I think I saw something else. Our forefathers were rebelling against the King's laws, not their own. It was a different situation. They were being ruled and taxed without representation. And here I am going to stop. I am not as up on history as some of you others are.
Enjoy your time in hell idiots? :o
Quote from: kshillbillys on May 05, 2009, 08:55:20 PM
Enjoy your time in hell idiots? :o
Yes kshillbilly. (Overly dramitic statement yes) A reference to the nut jobs that think the Magna Carte gives them the power to seize property and imprison prosecutors, judges, or anyone else.( Dark Angel, Not directed at anyone here on the forum, because none of them mentioned it) Did you all miss the part where I talked about the legitimate legal claims. Please read what I said again. If you have a specific point you want clarification on, ask a specific question and I will reply.
David
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
Ok I have reread the post. Followed the llinks. Done my google search. The question of Obama being a natural born citizen will never come to pass in the courts. The Supreme court is refusing to hear the cases.
How is this following our laws? the man has yet to prove he is a citizen. If he is not then he in direct violation of our laws.
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
After checking citizen formed Grand Jury rules most of them have no legal standing in their States. Only six states have the ability to have citizen formed grand juries. The US federal court do not recognize them
David
This is a violation of the Constitution
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
As for the wacko, nut job, terrorists that think the Magna Carte has any standing in US law and they can seize land and imprison the government prosecutors, judges, etc. You guys are way overreacting.
David
The Principle behind the Magna Carte was to limit the power of the king. This is the same principle behind the Constitution, to limit the power of the gov't. So who are the wacko, nutjob, terrorists?
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
Yes our founder fathers were in the same position when they decided to not follow the King;s rule.This is not the same situation. You need to follow our laws which are much better than the Kings.
David
Our freedoms are being stripped, our liberites are being infriged on, our wealth is being stolen, our gov't doesn't represent us,...how is this different? Our own gov't doesn't follow the laws and nothing happens to them, yet they pass "Ex Post Facto" laws to come after us...how is this better?
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
None of you have the conviction and moral standing that our founding fathers had. When you are convicted of treason, shot, bit by dogs, maced, hit by rubber bullets, or killed for your actions, I hope you realize the errors of your ways.
David
We are speaking out against tyranny and oppression, so did our Founder Fathers. Our ForeFathers were convicted of treason and hung, or shot for fighting for what they believe in, we are willing to do the same.
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
I do not support your violent threats. You are not on the same moral ground as our forefathers. Enjoy your time in hell idiots.
David
And what qualifies you to judge us?
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 05, 2009, 09:32:17 PM
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
Ok I have reread the post. Followed the llinks. Done my google search. The question of Obama being a natural born citizen will never come to pass in the courts. The Supreme court is refusing to hear the cases.
How is this following our laws? the man has yet to prove he is a citizen. If he is not then he in direct violation of our laws.
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
After checking citizen formed Grand Jury rules most of them have no legal standing in their States. Only six states have the ability to have citizen formed grand juries. The US federal court do not recognize them
David
This is a violation of the Constitution
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
As for the wacko, nut job, terrorists that think the Magna Carte has any standing in US law and they can seize land and imprison the government prosecutors, judges, etc. You guys are way overreacting.
David
The Principle behind the Magna Carte was to limit the power of the king. This is the same principle behind the Constitution, to limit the power of the gov't. So who are the wacko, nutjob, terrorists?
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
Yes our founder fathers were in the same position when they decided to not follow the King;s rule.This is not the same situation. You need to follow our laws which are much better than the Kings.
David
Our freedoms are being stripped, our liberites are being infriged on, our wealth is being stolen, our gov't doesn't represent us,...how is this different? Our own gov't doesn't follow the laws and nothing happens to them, yet they pass "Ex Post Facto" laws to come after us...how is this better?
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
None of you have the conviction and moral standing that our founding fathers had. When you are convicted of treason, shot, bit by dogs, maced, hit by rubber bullets, or killed for your actions, I hope you realize the errors of your ways.
David
We are speaking out against tyranny and oppression, so did our Founder Fathers. Our ForeFathers were convicted of treason and hung, or shot for fighting for what they believe in, we are willing to do the same.
Quote from: dnalexander on May 05, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
I do not support your violent threats. You are not on the same moral ground as our forefathers. Enjoy your time in hell idiots.
David
And what qualifies you to judge us?
How is this following our laws? the man has yet to prove he is a citizen. If he is not then he in direct violation of our laws.That it will never come to pass that is my opinion. He has yet to prove he is a citizen is your opinion. If he is not that is a violation of the Constitution true. The supreme court is refusing to hear these claims and they are the arbiters of the Constitution.
This is a violation of the Constitution Prove it...
T
he Principle behind the Magna Carte was to limit the power of the king. This is the same principle behind the Constitution, to limit the power of the gov't. So who are the wacko, nutjob, terrorists?
The Magna Carte has no standing in the US and we are not governed by it. To find the nutjobs follow the links and do a google search and see who is supporting their claims by the Magna Carte that they think gives them the authority to take peoples property and imprison. Very easy to find do your own leg work.
Our freedoms are being stripped, our liberites are being infriged on, our wealth is being stolen, our gov't doesn't represent us,...how is this different? Our own gov't doesn't follow the laws and nothing happens to them, yet they pass "Ex Post Facto" laws to come after us...how is this better?I don't disagree with ;most of that. It is better because I don't think any of us would choose today's situation over what our founding fathers experienced under the King.
We are speaking out against tyranny and oppression, so did our Founder Fathers. Our ForeFathers were convicted of treason and hung, or shot for fighting for what they believe in, we are willing to do the same. True statement and I support it. I don't think this situation warrants violence. I also, don't think the people advocating violence have the guts to follow through.
And what qualifies you to judge us? No qualifications needed. I have freedom of speech. If you advocate violence in this situation without following the legal remedies available then include yourself in us. Before my post you were only talking about AIG execs which is off topic. So at the time I wasn't judging us I was judging them.
Really, you are asking how anyone can judge someone? You do it all the time.
David
p.s. Did you miss the part where I said this is a legitimate claim? I am curious as to why he won't supply the documentation. No matter what happens he won't be removed as President. The only legal principle to remove him is quo warranto ; under the citizenship issue. That is one of the legitimate claims. Still won't happen.
David
Somewhere I have missed something. Does a candidate for office have to produce his birth certificate? If so, have any of our other presidents had to make their birth certificate public? Is there any evidence that Obama is not a qualified citizen of the United States? If there was any doubt about his eligibility, wouldn't the Republicans have pushed it during the campaign?
The question is a simple one. IF nobama is a U.S. citizen and if he can prove it by simply showing a birth certificate and thus squashing this whole thing, why doesn't he do it? A requirement for a person to be president is that they be a natural born citizen. If his claims of bi partisianship are true then he should work to unite this country instead of tearing it apart.
I think I said that too, several times. They deny that any "proof" exists because they refuse to believe the proof that was shown was real. Based on that, none of us could prove our citizenship. You could simply call my birth certificate a forgery. Of course then I could sue your pants off ;D ;D ;D and get an injunction for you to cease and desist. Pres. Obama's people did indeed show a birth certificate; I saw it like a lot of other people did. It was quickly called a forgery because that helped the opposition's case.
And did the opposition ever prove that it was a forgery?
I think most gave up.
They came up with more than several ways it was a forgery..
but of course.. all were ignored and life goes happily on for the Obama camp.
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A birth certifacte with a state stamp seal was never shown. A certificate of live birth posted on the internet is not what I consider proof.
I have a "Certificate of Live Birth" - does that mean I'm illegal? I was born in Elk Co. and raised in Greenwood Co. But what I "say" really doesn't prove anything. ::) ::) ;D
Billy. Of course you wouldn't accept anything else; you have made up your own mind. Did you see the original paper? It was whatever Hawaii had at the time. Every state does what they want. I don't think it's standardized. Fortunately, I didn't have to see the original and decide. Not my job. The opposition apparently couldn't make their case. I guess it was too iffy. (If it was that juicy McCain should have used it.) That's why the Supreme Court won't hear it. Why is it important now anyway? This keeps coming up over and over. It's not going to court...period.
Yep.. that's what it means Flo.. you are an alien from the unknown world of Red Hair Planet.. ;D
Obama relinquished a copy of a brand new document, not an Original birth certificate that for whatever reason he refuses to produce.
Okay.. lets get down to some legit factors here.....
There is no signature, official stamp, and the font wasn't around in 1961. Also.. the "Typeface" is obviously from a modern computer. It seems to be it would have been typewritten in 1961.
Obama was simply asked (* not a hard request* ::) ) for his BIRTH CERTIFICATE as officially filed in the state of Hawaii and not just a scanned copy of a reprinted CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH which is typically not an acceptable document to replace a BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
Most of us have already figured out that Obama was born alive. ::)
What he gave to them is not a birth certificate..............
You can't even get a driver's license with a certificate of live birth..and you could not even leave the country with this piece of paper.
Where is the hospital birth certificate?
MR OBAMA: Let's have the actual birth certificate with the state embossed seal and the proper signature.
Please!!!!
Does Hawaii do that? If it isn't standardized, wouldn't Hawaii issue whatever they issue for anyone requesting proof of birth? If the Republican Party accepted it, that is good enough for me.
I give up! (http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Wilma.....look at YOUR birth certificate, read what it says, ...........
Have you ever applied for a passport? If you haven't, and if you have to have one, sometime, you better have a birth cettificate! Or you will be unable to get a passport.
How do I know? been there---done that!!!!! Fred and I both have a passport issued in 2007.
Jo
Yes, I have a birth certificate. My mother got it for me sometime in the 60's when she had to get one for herself for social security purposes. She had to fill out an application, then make some corrections as the doctor had made some errors in recording it. I haven''t looked at in years, probably since I had to have it to work for the IRS. I surely had to have it for social security, too, but I don't remember. No, I don't have a passport. I have never had the desire to leave the United States, mainly because to go anywhere that would require a passport would mean being on a ship on the big water or on a plane over the big water. If I were on a ship it would sink. If I were on a plane it would crash into the ocean. No sense in other people dying because of me.
Again, if obama has a birth certificate that proves he is natural born, and if it would end this debate once and for all why does he not show it? Why would he spend 950,000 dollars with 11 law firms in 12 states to have his records sealed?
"Why is it so important now?" that is quite possibly the dumest question I have ever heard.
Why is it important now?
Wilma, you need a passport now if you are driving too, not just ship and plane.
Quote from: Wilma on May 06, 2009, 09:13:48 PM
Why is it important now?
Our so-called president violates the constitution and you ask why that is important. How is that NOT important? he took an OATH to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states, and then violates that oath.
I give up. If the Supreme Court isn't going to hear it then it's dead issue. You don't respect the Supreme Court either, I take it.
It is NOT a dead issue simply because the Supreme Court refuses to hear it. I and many other americans do not want the supreme court doing our thinking for us, thank you very much.
As for respecting the Court, what have they done to earn my respect?
Maybe if you could learn to capitalize the A in American, you could get more respect.
I don't plan to drive over our border either, but if I did the car would crash.
Uh, Wilma, are you a bad driver or do you just have bad luck? ;D ;D ;D
I am a bad luck charm.
Quote from: Wilma on May 07, 2009, 07:19:39 AM
Maybe if you could learn to capitalize the A in American, you could get more respect.
Wow..........THAT was low........... >:(
Isn't capitalizing America a sign of respect?
You know what I meant.
And nitpicking on a capital letter is reaching pretty far back into the drawer for a jabbing stick.
Sorry, it just still irks me when proper punctuation and spelling aren't used. And I do think it is a sign of respect when America is spelled properly.
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 06, 2009, 09:45:01 PM
As for respecting the Court, what have they done to earn my respect?
This was the question that I asked.
Quote from: Wilma on May 07, 2009, 07:19:39 AM
Maybe if you could learn to capitalize the A in American, you could get more respect.
Your response doesn't make any sense. I am sorry if my question confused you. I will try to make them easier to understand in the future. That is of course, unless you did understand it and just couldn't provide an answer.
Well, now, let's see. A person who lacks respect for things that are definitely higher than that person is, is usually asking for respect or doesn't feel that he is respected. By finding fault with others he is trying to build his own self esteem. Sorry, Billy, you seem to be an oxymoron. No, that isn't the word I want. I will have to go to the dictionary again. Goodnight for now. This old body needs to go to bed.
Hate to burst your bubble there, Dr. Phil, but there is nothing wrong with my self esteem.
I'll ask it again...But before you answer keep in mind that I am a Citizen of the U.S., they work for me.
What has the Supreme Court done to earn my respect?
As you all know.. I get about 150-200 personal e-mails a day. I have plenty of people who email me with
political questions. And many who don't want to post on the forum so they tell me and use me for a sounding board..LOL thats ok.
I have to say though that since Billy has been in the political section.. the questions and emails have lessened. :)
**You are beginning to have quite a following Mr Varmit.. ;D*
Anyway.. I got this tonight...
More questions, and this time some good questions.
While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi?
So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.
It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A: Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.
Count me in as one of those inquiring minds who'd at least like to know the answers to these easily answered (by Obama) questions.
BEFORE WE IMPEACH HIM......
On capitalizing America------I may have done it in a posting. If so, it is not a sign of disrepect, merely a typo.
Larryj
And I know how easy those typos are to make. I would never be able to pass a typing test now. The only reason I am mostly free of typos is proofreading. I have the time to do it and I will continue to do it. Now, tell me, doesn't it make the post easier to read?
I worked as assistant Editor of the Sedan Times Star for several years so I can type about 100 words a minute and proofread as I type. I am here to tell ya that I get very passionate about what I'm typing, so sometimes I make mistakes because my brain is overloading my fingers. We are ALL entitled to mistakes.
Billy, keep it up because even though you might not capitalize this or punctuate that, you make excellent points and sometimes when you make wonderful points, the only thing some people have left to do is to nit pick over your grammar because they can't think of anything else to "get" you on.... ;D
Billy makes a lot of sense for sure. By the way I don't see your Confederate flag as nonsense.
The Confederate army was the last American army that fought for the Constitution.
Ouch!!! :o That sure has a hard edge to it. Whew! :-X :-X :-X
Did someone call the Confederate flag nonsense. For shame, for sure. It was once a flag of part of our country and as such deserves to be a part of our history as much as the flag with 13 stars does. Would anyone complain about that flag being flown?
I have no problem with the flag, it's part of history. I just thought the comment about the confederate army was awfully hard edged. I don't think our military of today think they are fighting AGAINST the constution. :P
I am sure our military of today know what they are fighting for. I wonder if they can understand why any more than we here at home do. "It is not for us to question why. It is for us to do or die." Quote from somebody.
a few typos is good for the brain. Makes it work a little harder to decide what the right spelling of the word is and besides as long as you get your point across, nit-picking at the spelling and punctuation is just that, nit-picking.
rdcliffsw, I know what you mean about the flag. To me it represents the American spirit of independence, while Old Glory is a symbol of the unity of America. I have often wanted to replace the field of stars on the American flag with the Dixie flag. To make a symbol of a country that believes in the states right to govren themselves, yet united in the principles of freedom and independence.
But the Dixie flag doesn't have 50 stars.
you don't say...
So which states would have to give up their stars on the flag?
I don't know, to me that is not important. It is the ideals and principles that the flag would represent.
It's important to me. We're first! ;)
Well which star is for which state? You can't tell...Get rid of ALL the stars and put the Dixie flag in...how hard would that be? It's a battle flag...Maybe it would signal to the rest of the world "Let's get it on, Don't mess with us"...
The stars are in order. Ours is the first on the top left, PA is next to us going to the right, then NJ, Georgia and so on for the first 13 colonies as they were admitted. The others are in order too. You could figure out Kansas if you wanted to. It's the 34th star. How about "Don't tread on me" that makes a statement too.
The DTOM flag does make a statement but not many people know the story behind it. Besides, by adding the Dixie flag to the U.S. flag it would tell a story of a country once divided, but now united in principles.
That's right! I say we just steal the Mississippi state flag and use it as the US flag. It's beautiful!
The Confederate flag is flown daily in the Veterans Memorial Park
near downtown Wichita on the east side of the Arkansas River.
It is among about thirteen (13) other flags honoring and representing
American veterans in the wars.
ks,I agree, it is a good lookin flag, but I like the smaller stripes on the U.S. flag better.
Unfortunately the Dixie flag also reminds some people of the bitterness of slavery.
Ok, Billy, We could just keep the flag we have now, get rid of the stars and insert the rebel flag in the stars' place. It would still be one heckuva sweet lookin flag!
Diane-
Forget the slavery thing, the Confederate and Southern blacks were fighting
for a greater freedom by standing for the Constituion.
But, the schools have not taught our history correctly and so
people ought to seek the truths of their ancestors on their own.
"Forget the slavery thing"? My Great Grandparents met working the underground railroad helping slaves across the Mo. River. And yes they were Kansas people. I'm not likely to forget "the slavery thing!"
Diane-
You mean the under-ground railroad which did not occur
as much as the so-called historians would like us to believe.
Sounds like your people were some of the first Republicans.
Right?
Redcliffsw, I have mentioned a few times on the forum about learning something new everyday. Anyway, I googled underground railroad and came up a bunch of different thoughts on the subject. I was going to copy and paste some websites here to be looked at, but there is a lot of controversary about it. One site says that over 70,000 slaves were transported before the civil war and another (Wikipedia) says 30,000 and in the same article on Wikipedia, it says that the U.S. census indicates only 6,000. My question is: How would anybody know how many slaves used the underground railroad? I mean, the idea was for it to be secretive. Did it exist? I am sure it did. And I am sure Diane's family history would back that up. Interesting subject. I want to read more about it.
Larryj
After the war, the north needed to justify its attack on the South, the CSA.
The north has controlled the written history of that era and so you'lll have to learn for yourself.
Red, my Great Grandparents were Repub. as the party was then. Great Grandma, according to Mom, was a very forward thinking modern lady for her day. She believed in kindness for all mankind. So you don't think the underground railroad existed at all or was just smaller? Some of the old buildings around here, north and around Phil. have hidey holes that were found. Some even contained slave tags. Even today, on our downstate farms, once in a great while a slave tag is still found.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 09, 2009, 08:31:05 PM
Unfortunately the Dixie flag also reminds some people of the bitterness of slavery.
So I have been told many times. What I find interesting about that is that those folks rail about the Dixie flag while waving an african symbol. It is interesting because more often than not it was africans selling other africans to spanish slave traders. Talk about treason.
Yes, the underground railroad did exist. How many slaves were freed by it, who knows.
To say that the North was fighting for freedom is to ignore the fact that they wanted the South under their control. Isn't that salvery? Funny when you think about it. The Confedrated states whose symbol is the Dixie flag, a so-called "racist" symbol< were actually freedom fighters.
Diane-
The underground railroad was smaller.
For some strange reason humans have held each other as slaves ( or whatever name meant the same thing) for about as long as there have been humans. Very sad. If God made man in his image, I wonder why we allowed ourselves to see some people as a lesser species. It happened, it's history. Unfortunately it still happens.
QuoteIf God made man in his image, I wonder why we allowed ourselves to see some people as a lesser species.
Good question, Diane. My thoughts? People don't want to accept anything that is different from their own way. If one group is "right," then everyone else must be wrong. If the other group doesn't look like us, there is something wrong with them. If they do things differently, believe things differently, perceive things differently, behave in a manner unlike ours, they are seen (and treated) as inferior. It's been a power struggle from the word "Go," and one camp will always try to subjugate another to maintain their superiority. If you look through history, you might find that those in power are those who are more technologically "advanced" than the ones they oppress. A prime example comes from the early British anthropologists who deemed native cultures as "savages," "barbarians" and "primitives."
My question would be, didn't Jesus say to love one another? To love your enemies? As you do unto others that you do unto me? It seems to me there are a lot of people who quote Scripture who gloss over these parts when trying to convince others that the Bible is the Word of God and to justify their judgments and actions upon others. What a far different world this would be if all those who proclaim to be Christian actually followed his teachings.
AMEN!
Same here. Thanks.
Thanks indygal. So well put and oh so true.
Extremely well said, Indy. Unfortunately, there are many who see the rebel flag as being the symbol of white supremacy (their views, not mine...don't shoot the messenger)...And, no, they're not flying any African flag or any African colors. Personally, I view it as a relic...Something that some hold in high regard but has been necessarily retired as it has outlived its usefulness. There is no room for any one group to "rise again" in this United States. We are all interdependent...And that interdependency restricts any one minority from having its needs outweigh the needs of the collective majority. It would be wonderful if we were all more Christlike in our dealings with others...But I don't forsee a day when that's the reality. However, it's something to shoot for!
Yay, Cat!
Cat, you said that our interdependency restricts one group for having its needs outweigh the collective. I would say that is flawed. Things like affimative action, states (even our president) recognizing one religious group over another, "hate speech" laws which can target specific groups, all of these are examples of one groups needs outweighing others.
It would be wonderful if we could be more Christ like...if we could tell homosexuals rise and sin no more, if pregnant women would care for their unborn instead of killing them, if we had the courage to drive out the money changers...it would be wonderful.
oh wait...we already do that, they just don't listen.
The Confederate flag ought not to be seen as a relic or retired to a museum,
Always, it's good to see one a flying.
Billy, who do you consider "the money changers" of today? And what "religious group"is being "favored" over another?
money changers...crooked politicans who lie to get into office, and then abuse their power for personal gain.
Islam is being favored over any other. I don't see nobama reaching out to Christians, I don't see states making holidays to celebrate the many contributions made by other religious groups.
"Anyone who says the Confederate Flag is a symbol of hate should be required to go to sensitivity training classes."
-- Ezola Broussard Foster, an American conservative political activist and a black woman
Sorry redcliffsw, gotta disagree on that one. people can say whatever they want...no matter how ignorant it is.
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 04, 2009, 06:51:24 PM
Because if his accusations were not true, he would be arrested for making false accusations.
Wow if we arrested people for making false accusations i wonder how many of our politicians would be in jail? probably just about all of em, which wouldn't be a bad thing.
You're right, and quite frankly I think that we should.