OK...I'm not much for getting on a religious or political soapbox (I leave that to our more vocal folk) but I was a bit concerned when I saw this. If this is indeed true, we're already in trouble.
A MUST WATCH VIDEO
What a morning eye opener !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
I copied and pasted this...I may not have done it correctly, being computer illiterate. Good luck...If you can get it opened, it's got some interesting data in it.
Catwoman surely you cannot mean that. We are not at war with muslims, how could a muslim majority be a threat?? and what does it matter, after all we aren't a christian nation anymore? ::)
Catwoman, the video is no surprise.
Most of the mainline churches in this country are liberal
and folks do not seem to be very concerned about it either.
Meanwhile, the muslim and eastern religions are gaining
here.
Isn't there a Freedom of Religion thingee in the Constitution? Are we now barring people from the United States on the basis of their religion?
So what is the point of all this? The film says call to action, what action? This is just so much :-X :-X :-X IMHO. :angel:
You know, I had an interesting conversation with Al yesterday on this very thing since he was a demographer as part of his job. He said you are right in the numbers, but when the big influx of middle eastern Muslims started, it was the scientists, the teachers, the mathematicians, the professionals, who were fleeing the extreme radial overly religious control. For the most part they just wanted to live their lives in freedom and peace, so they came here. I don't know about now. The Muslims around here seem like perfectly nice people.
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 02, 2009, 11:03:36 PM
Catwoman surely you cannot mean that. We are not at war with muslims, how could a muslim majority be a threat?? and what does it matter, after all we aren't a christian nation anymore? ::)
The only thing I 'meant' by posting it was to show the demographics in that particular representation...And in this country, it has always been a case of majority rule. When the majority of this country (and any other) becomes Muslim...And the majority of our elected leaders become Muslim...No, we won't have been 'at war' with this majority...They will have won without firing a shot. Anyone ready to put on a burka?
Don't they vote Dem. Ind. Rep. Green or some other party like the rest of us? The many who have become citizens I mean.
I think the problem stems from our immigration laws. True, not all muslims want to wage war against the "great satan", However, I would think a bit of caution should be urged. Afterall, their own "law" states that an "infidel" should be given the choice to either join or die.
Yes, we have a freedom of religion thingee, but how long will last with a majoirty of our leaders and population supporting Muslim law?
I'm sure no expert on the Koran, but Join or Die? Can you fine a quote for me please? I know it all goes back to Gabriel and Mohamed and there are a lot or common threads with other world religions of long ago.
Diane, there is no verse or passage in the koran that calls for indiscriminate killing, in fact just the oppisite. However, look at middle eastern countries whose populace is mostly muslim. I don't see their treatment of women or "non-believers" as particularly easy.
With some families it's not nice at all...that we totally agree on. The families whose kids I had in school weren't like that, thank goodness!
Theres good and bad in everything. Are all muslims "bad", no. But what worries me is what happens when we have a majority of them in power.
This is coming from an infidel, but you are both right. Billy's second post is right on. It does not call for indiscriminate killing in the Koran. The passages that some Muslims use to say they should kill all infidels can be found in Verse 2 and Verse 9, which does not narrow it down much. If I get time I will look up the specific passages. No time now.
David
Thanks, Infidel David, :D
I am confused. We need to get back to the basics in our Constitution, but at the same time we need to curtail Freedom of Religion so as not to have a majority of Muslims in our country.
No, I am saying that we need to curtail immigration. Allow the muslims that we have to practice as they normally would, peacefully. But limit the number we have coming in.
Aren't there limits on immigration? I am totally ignorant on this, but I must say I am glad there were no immigration laws in 1620.
I can't quote the exact laws. But I feel that we have enough immigrants in this country the way it is. What would it hurt to shut down immigration for awhile? Study how well those that are here are assimilating to our culture?
Who would do the study? The states or the feds ,and how would it be paid for? Who would use the information? How would it be gathered? Sorry, just thinking out loud. What is "our culture", by the way?
Uh-oh...I can't believe I'm saying this...But I agree with Billy...Our culture is one where freedom is openly exercised...Our culture is one where women don't have to walk two paces behind men, avert their eyes or otherwise be subject to religious police who claim that the women are trying to tempt the men in question, be restricted from traveling outside the house unless accompanied by a male in the family (a brother, uncle, father, or husband), and are subject to having their children (and themselves) be the property of their husbands and therefore at the disposal of the said man. We, in our culture, are free to go to any church we wish, without fear that we are going to be pursecuted by those who are in the majority. Our culture is one that is going to slip away from us if we are too complacent about it's practice. I think we need to halt immigration until our economy has rebounded to the point to where we are able to continue to support, with our cumulative tax base, this influx of people seeking to share in our collective American dream. I, too, am glad that my forefathers were able to come over here previous to this period of time...I'm also glad that my ancestors loved this country so much that they forsake the language of their former countries, adopted English as the only language that their children would be allowed to speak and that they worked to make this country one of the greatest on earth. They didn't look for any handouts...My ancestors went bankrupt more than once...But rebounded through sheer force of will. I'm all for protecting our way of life before it becomes a thing of the past, due to our taking it completely for granted.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 03, 2009, 02:27:11 PM
just thinking out loud. What is "our culture", by the way?
THAT statement right there... is scary.
Has "our culture" already been squashed so severely that we as American citizens losing sight of it?
I didn't mean I didn't have my opinion, I just wanted to someone else's opinion. Cat has it nicely said. By the way, the Muslims around here are mostly US citizens and speak perfect English. As far as immigration, maybe some of you don't know this, but some of the immigrants here were recruited by businesses for their specific skills...and they work cheaper. I mean college educated people, not farm laborers. Capitalism VS the American culture? Who is going to stop it? The jobs that went to other countries? That was big business too. Is that alright or not? Yes, I agree that English should be our language, but I'd like to cut the old folks a break. I'd hate to go to France and HAVE to learn to speak French now.
Diane, Yes we have brought some people in, sent jobs out, and while I don't agree with it, thats business. I agree that English should be our offical language. However, I don't care how old a person is, they should learn how to speak it.
Spoken like a young person whose learning ability is still viable. I can tell you that the older you get, the harder it is to remember for some people. Then there was the 90 some year old woman in Severy that could remember who owned what piece of land, when they bought it, what they paid for it and who they bought it from. She was even planning to plant some fruit trees in her back yard. She never quit.
Sorry wilma, but I do not believe in the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Thats age discrimination and it is complete and total BS. Why should americans have to accept anyone that is not willing to conform to our culture?
Because we can be nice people?
Sociialism is a European culture.
Yet, why do so many promote it in our country?
If they do not like this country, then...............
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 03, 2009, 08:25:29 PM
Because we can be nice people?
Are you serious??? We are not being nice if we want them to speak our language?
And besides if I remember from another thread going, Americans are NOT NICE...we are ALL arrogant and BAD!
No, I wasn't being serious necessarily. Now who is generalizing again. Nobody said all Americans are arrogant and bad.
Just me and Billy...LOL ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 03, 2009, 08:42:18 PM
No, I wasn't being serious necessarily. Now who is generalizing again. Nobody said all Americans are arrogant and bad.
obama did >:(
No, he did not say that. Sorry.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on May 03, 2009, 10:01:02 PM
No, he did not say that. Sorry.
OH, Realllllllly...
President Barack Obama: America has been 'arrogant and dismissive' towards Europe
President Barack Obama has declared that America has "failed to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world" and has "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" towards its allies.-UK Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5101244/President-Barack-Obama-America-has-been-arrogant-and-dismissive-towards-Europe.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5101244/President-Barack-Obama-America-has-been-arrogant-and-dismissive-towards-Europe.html)
If Nobama didn't say that americans were arrogant could you please explain that article to me...
Might be a little off topic, but did anyone else notice how he flip-floped in that article?
Now you are criticizing him for being honest?
By the way Billy, I talking about the forum folks. To my knowledge none of us said all "Americans are arrogant and bad."on any thread. They can be and I've seen it myself, but far from all. Remind me to tell you about our experience coming through customs after visiting Bermuda. ;D ;D ;D ;D
OK, Diane...give...what happened??
Quote from: Wilma on May 04, 2009, 07:18:37 AM
Now you are criticizing him for being honest?
What? How?
Well, he did say that Americans are arrogant, didn't he? That is true, isn't it? I am and I will bet you are, too.
No, I don't think that americans are arrogant. I don't think I am either.
Define arrogant.
in a nutshell, its when one person thinks that they are better than everyone else...
Making, or having the disposition to make, exorbitant claims of rank or estimation; giving one's self an undue degree of importance; assuming; haughty; -- applied to persons.
If the shoe fits. If it looks like one, talks like one, walks like one, then it must be one.
and a synonym (different word meaning the same) is PRIDE. Yes I am PROUD to be an AMERICAN. I take great PRIDE in living in the best country in the world. If that makes ME arrogant, so be it. I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF ME!
Quote from: Wilma on May 04, 2009, 08:56:28 PM
If the shoe fits. If it looks like one, talks like one, walks like one, then it must be one.
well, then according to the picture you're hiding behind, you must be an arrogant cat.
Speaking of Cat. I'll tell, I made you wait long enough. We came through customs in on the way home from Bermuda.Two college aged girls were pulled out of line and asked to open their luggage .They had an absolute fit and were declaring their rights as American citizens not to be hassled and on and on. They couldn't get it into their heads that they really weren't "home" until they passed through customs. They were loud, cussing and rude and frankly obnoxious. The louder they got the more the customs guy checked their stuff. Fortunately they let the rest of us go or we would have missed our connection out of Baltimore to home. I think they were held so who knows what they were hiding.
You are so right, Billy. People just think that I am human, but you know the camera never lies.
Uh, where's your picture? Or are you an arrogant eagle?
Alright you two.... ;D ;D ;D
Just for you, Diane. I'll be good the rest of the day.
Thank you . :laugh:
Quote from: Wilma on May 05, 2009, 07:08:28 AM
Uh, where's your picture? Or are you an arrogant eagle?
Once again for those of you who missed it..I do not consider myself arrogant.
I posted the picture of the eagle, american flag, and until recently the DTOM flag. I used these in lieu of a self picture because 1) I don't have a picture of myself on my computer and 2) I felt these reflected parts of my personality.
Wilma, as to the comment I made about you being an arrogant cat...I was referencing the earlier posts you made about me and about how I was hiding, and how what I said couldn't be trusted, simply because I didn't post a picture and I used a nickname. I felt it was ironic that someone known only as "wilma" and a picture of a cat, would accuse me (monre than once) of being untrustworthy based on citeria that could be used to describe herself.
If you check the roll call thread you will find an almost complete biography of myself.